Yes I know but in the post I quoted that is exactly what you said, and if there are no really good people we are all going to die in the Rapture?
Serious The Rapture.........Do you believe it will happen?
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And so you have to rely on the grace of Christ to take care of the rest. People do not accept him, and it really serves no purpose to not do so. It is not consequential to those who are truly righteous.
Only belive it when it happens.
Im not beliving any end of the world Ideas UNTIL. We have the end of the world.
also some psychic said the world will end in 90 years. Koolios.
EDIT: This is turning religious nao? Well i stand by my Idea, If God will come to kill us all. Then I will only belive that when he actually comes to smite us all.
Im not beliving any end of the world Ideas UNTIL. We have the end of the world.
also some psychic said the world will end in 90 years. Koolios.
EDIT: This is turning religious nao? Well i stand by my Idea, If God will come to kill us all. Then I will only belive that when he actually comes to smite us all.
And so you will have to make up for it by facing tribulations without knowing what to do or even what to identify.
Balance is a monumental thing in Abrahamic religion.
In your first post you outright claimed those who believed in God would be saved, and non-believers would not
Then you said that believing in God would not save you, as there are no good humans so we will all be smote
And now Jesus will save us?
You lack cohesion or logical sense, I don't understand what you are trying to say
Then you said that believing in God would not save you, as there are no good humans so we will all be smote
And now Jesus will save us?
You lack cohesion or logical sense, I don't understand what you are trying to say
My lack of sense? How about your lack of sense. You have never touched a Bible, obviously, so do not try to 1up me in something you know little about. Secularism makes no sense when applying it to righteousness, so you should take a chill pill if you are trying to be really logical.
You understand what I am saying, you just want me to hand feed it to you so you can spit it back in my face. Get a grip.
I am simply questioning the fact that within the space of less than ten minutes you have contradicted yourself repeatedly. I have not mentioned the Bible at all, and you have yet to explain your conflicting statements.
No, I have not contradicted myself at all. You are just being technically idiotic towards it all because you enjoy talking shit. Get a grip.
Not to be the Non beliver in a Religious debate.
But god dosent make things balanced. Thats us humans. Us Animals. We make things balanced and un balanced.
We could destroy a planet. then 1000 Years later Create a new one.
We live off our selves. Or actions. God may brighten the path a little. But its us that pave the way and do the work.
Now to get more into my Post:
We shouldnt belive something's going to happen. when someone says it is. It may be taking life a little to care free. But put it this way.
If someone told you your friend was going to die tomorrow. Even if they are totally healthy. Would you belive them?
I wouldnt. Id only belive it once it happened.
Which is what My post means. "Only belive it when it happens". We Cant trust anything when it comes to the world or our Life. How can we be so sure somethings going to happen?
Only a independent person or Thing can make Something happen. So if Were all Going to die tomorrow according to god. I wont belive it till I hear his voice claiming our Death.
Yeah, but you see, God made us along with everything, so He is the supreme balance. Prophesy doesn't dictate balance, it just tells it before it happens.
Take Star Wars for a fun example. Anakin was the chosen one that would bring peace to the galaxy, and yet he becomes Darth Vader. In the end, however, he kills Emperor Palpatine and therefore fulfills the prophesy.
True prophesy always fulfills itself in one way or another, and that is where Jews and Christians split hairs. Jews see the prophesies as their rising, and Christians see them as the end times.
There is a lot more to Abrahamic religion then what is generally spoken of. Muslims and Jews fight over which brother was chosen (Isaac or Ismael). There ways of going about it, but in the end, only one can be true.
That is where faith comes in, in my opinion. I see nothing illogical about believing in God, as that can be interpreted for anyone who is willing to delve into things which science cannot.
Licky: I am not answering your questions which can so easily be answered by anyone with a teaspoon of depth.
Prophceys can be Mistaken and Ignored.
What would have happened if Anikin didnt Kill palapatine? God may be the supreme balance. But even he can be Unbalanced.
The way your talking makes me think your basing Your reasonings off the Ultimate Being theory. Everyone has a Destiny. That god can end at any moment.
God may have created everything. our lives. our World. But we can quite easily Fight against his Gift. We CAn Create pur own life. Without the Help of a Diety. and people do. Frequently. Which unbalances hte Scale of life.
Balance in the universe it rare. There is always One thing. That will unbalance the scale of life. There just is.
What would have happened if Anikin didnt Kill palapatine? God may be the supreme balance. But even he can be Unbalanced.
The way your talking makes me think your basing Your reasonings off the Ultimate Being theory. Everyone has a Destiny. That god can end at any moment.
God may have created everything. our lives. our World. But we can quite easily Fight against his Gift. We CAn Create pur own life. Without the Help of a Diety. and people do. Frequently. Which unbalances hte Scale of life.
Balance in the universe it rare. There is always One thing. That will unbalance the scale of life. There just is.
Balance is a funny thing. It's commonly attached to perfection in some form or another, like a perfect circle being balanced in measurement all the way around from the center.
But with the Bible, balance is better understood not being associated with physics, but rather spirit.
I've heard people say 'Well if God is perfect, how is He capable of producing evil?'
This stems from the idea of physical balance, in which a truly perfect god cannot unbalance His perfect nature and create a violent universe.
But life has to carry a duality of good and evil, because it's the property of choice. God would not have made perfect life without giving it the true essence of life itself- will. In fact, in spiritual terms, that is exactly what life is. The scientific idea of life is simply a biological construct with a stimulus.
But as for destiny, nature simply does not allow us to know whether we have destiny or not. There is quite literally no way to prove or disprove it. God grieves, becomes angry, and even at times is relieved by the actions of man. This is enough to wonder about the idea of destiny, as He can see much, much further down the road and knows the fate of mankind as a whole.
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That'd make Him a little emotionally immature if he hasn't been able to accept, after millennia, the fate of things.
And lemme get this straight: You think the predictions of the end times in Revelations are accurate entirely because they're in the Bible? What about all of the books that got excluded for various political and social reasons hundreds of years later? Is it the collection or the texts themselves that are true? Why isn't the prophecy in the Völuspá equally valid? I mean, Odin himself thought it was an accurate prophecy. I'd say he knows a lot more about prophecies than you, pal, seeing how he has all knowledge and is a god and all that stuff.
Summy, I don't think there's many non-religious people arguing that everything we are doing is sustainable. There is a difference between seeing statistical trends and realizing their impact if variables don't change; and looking at a 1900 year old prophecy derived from nothing and giving it greater weight than any other ancient or modern prophecy derived from nothing.
If prophecies are real, I'm sure you could make a killing in the lottery or finally get that money that James Randi has put up for anyone proving supernatural phenomena.
For one, and I will only say this once before going to a mod, do not talk to me in such a condescending way.
Anyways, I love how you are gloating because you know I can't prove it. That is all you are about- trying to one up someone over anything. You seriously need to grow up.
All you talk about is proof. I could give a damn about giving a damn about giving damn if you think is true or not. As if my aim is to prove someone something who cannot fathom anything that doesn't fit into their wishful, biased 'logic'. Which, by the way, amounts to zero because you are talking about how all prophesy can be true, as if I could say in the morning you will see a colored blimp in the sky and sure enough when you go out there's a big ass Mike & Ike chillin in the clouds.
No, this is a discussion about religion and you are just trying to poke holes at the weakest point you see, just like a typical atheist with nothing better to do except be hypocritical in lieu of equally ridiculous scientific ideas.
There are plenty of philosophies that logically tear down the idea of any perception you think is necessary for something to be plausible. If you are going to attack a concept, don't bring in something as weak as a Norse god to back you.
You can simplify Abrahamic religion with that all you want, but that is just your own undoing in understanding religion and history in general.
And one more thing, your first sentence- I guess it is a little immature to be angry and upset about one's own creations destroying themselves. I guess He should just wipe us all out, huh? And to think it's people like you who complain about the morality of the Bible, thinking that such an idea of TRUTH should be some fairy tale emo conception of rainbows and butterflies.
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i didnt know about it until about an hour before the world was supposed to "end". what dyou know...it didnt happen and hasnt happened any other time some batshit insane wanker has said "the world is going to end on X" then when x comes "oh, did i say X, i meant Y. silly me.". i can understand wee kids paying attention to this kind of fantasy, but grown adults should know better.
in your mind perhaps, but we dont (and probably shouldnt) all have to believe that. if you find comfort in believing there's a creator who will look after you when you die thats fine but you dont have to force that belief onto everyone else.
the bible is not a historical text. you said as much yourself in that "do you believe in god" thread.
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in your mind perhaps, but we dont (and probably shouldnt) all have to believe that. if you find comfort in believing there's a creator who will look after you when you die thats fine but you dont have to force that belief onto everyone else.
the bible is not a historical text. you said as much yourself in that "do you believe in god" thread.
What do you believe in? It isn't anything less insane then an 'insane wanker'.
You believe in ignorance until an impossible discovery is discovered. So in your mind, you believe that just because the Bible states something doesn't mean that there god doesn't do so, when in fact their god does. It really just comes down to if you believe in that god.
Trying to destroy the entire argument on 'god hasn't been proven to exist' just kind of shows how intentionally ignorant to the debate altogether. You will not be satisfied until it has been proven that there is no god, and you are going to sadly take it to your deathbed. And everyone else as well until the world dies or God shows his face.
I never intended to make anyone believe anything. Why you think you are actually that deserving of that kind of attention is laughable. No,, my aim was to throw out a bit of food for though which you and certainly a couple others cannot swallow.
If was crafty, that could've just been my intent the whole time just to show the stubborn counterparts of 'people of science'.
That's not necessarily true. It's just scientists trying to masquerade as historians. Sure, some of the Bible may not be true, but it really hurts one's spirits to see people rub it off as a huge fairytale when we see proof of much of it's peoples and history throughout the world.
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i believe that concerning myself with a magical being that may or may not exist is a waste of my time because it wont change anything for me.
id just like to check, is english your first language? you dont seem to be very good at communicating your ideas or even typing a sentence, sort of makes it a bit more difficult to figure out what youre trying to get at. also you shouldnt ask someone a question and then answer it yourself, not only does it make you rude but often itll make you wrong.
like i said it makes no difference to me either way. im not waiting for anyone to prove that magical creatures dont exist, i dont think they do, but if they do then i dont particularly care.
you cant swallow food that doesnt exist.
perhaps in your mind, you've done that, but you havent at all. besides the fact that im not a "person of science". im not a person of faith, i need evidence, observable data. if i cant see, feel, smell, taste or touch it then whether or not it does exist it might as well not as far as im concerned because it doesnt effect me. e.g black holes and what not might be interesting and whatnot but i dont really care that much, i cant do anything about them etc etc
the bible isnt a historical text - you said that yourself in another thread, as i already said. some of it might happen to be correct but im sure the descriptions of the humans in the lord of the rings books are also correct 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 eyes etc that doesnt mean those books are anything other than fiction.
It won't to someone who has the spiritual acknowledgment of an ant. Even Buddhists concern themselves with such ideas, and they do not even worship a god.
That's because I was on a Droid. At the PC now. Insulting me on my grammar only shows the integrity of your intentions.
The second part,, makes no sense. I am wrong for someone, at the very least, finding peace in their own mind in leiu of someone who would rather shun any idea regardless of it's logical construct? Get real.
You haven't read this thread, you are just trying to be ridiculous. You have yet to say anything about anything except that you enjoy being ignorant to anything that doesn't state 'godless universe'.
Then why are you crying about it? Seriously, like I said, you haven't said much of anything except deny and deny and deny.
Well even Dawkins calls himself an agnostic atheist, which is probably the only honest thing he has ever said in light of belief. So if even a militant atheist such as him can say such a thing, that certainly shows your inferiority in debating with someone such as me. It also shows that you have not read a lick of this thread, except maybe, ironically, what agrees to your 'godless universe'.
Maybe not seas splitting, but there was an exodus. Maybe not kingdoms disappearing, but there was a kingdom. Maybe not a Messiah, but there was an alleged heretic that was crucified in the name of Jewry.
You quite simply cannot compare the bible with Lord of the Rings. That's just stupid. As hell.
In fact, I would recommend you look up on the historical properties of the Bible, because I have seen it all and it's quite comedic to see others, who happen to be atheist, spread lies about how it is a giant fairytale.
obviously you're too intellectual for this forum. i wasnt insulting you based on your grammar, i was pointing out that you cant communicate your ideas effectively, i think other people have went the long way about telling you something similar and you seemed to take great offence to it...theres a surprise.
spiritual acknowledgement, that wont help me get on with life. nor will attempting to debate about wild fantasies that have no evidence to support them.
im not the one crying and getting all hostile because everyone wouldnt submit to my way of thinking.
i pointed out your own words, now youve changed your mind suddenly with regards to the bible being a historical text. i can compare it to lord of the rings precisely because they are both fictional texts. they might contain some facts about some things but they are still fictional texts.
you dont have to want to know everything in order to not be ignorant. i want to know about things that will affect me and get on with life. and for you to call someone else ignorant is a bit ironic considering you say you're a christian. having faith is ignorance in itself is it not?
if choosing to not believe some batshit insane man who's sat at a desk with a bible and a calculator and came to the conclusion that the world will end on X is ignorant, then im ignorant. but im also content.
incidentally, the world didnt end, how can you defend that?
spiritual acknowledgement, that wont help me get on with life. nor will attempting to debate about wild fantasies that have no evidence to support them.
im not the one crying and getting all hostile because everyone wouldnt submit to my way of thinking.
i pointed out your own words, now youve changed your mind suddenly with regards to the bible being a historical text. i can compare it to lord of the rings precisely because they are both fictional texts. they might contain some facts about some things but they are still fictional texts.
you dont have to want to know everything in order to not be ignorant. i want to know about things that will affect me and get on with life. and for you to call someone else ignorant is a bit ironic considering you say you're a christian. having faith is ignorance in itself is it not?
if choosing to not believe some batshit insane man who's sat at a desk with a bible and a calculator and came to the conclusion that the world will end on X is ignorant, then im ignorant. but im also content.
incidentally, the world didnt end, how can you defend that?