Sexual Education

[Shinra Executive]

You mean first world countries like Malawi, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Benin, Guatemala, Bangladesh, Ethiopia, Jamaica, Timor-Leste, Syria, Sudan, Cambodia, and Suriname? Among many others. In fact, the overwhelming majority of nations are seeing the downward trend, regardless of whether they're developed or developing. It's 17% across the board in the last 15 years, Hoss. Your assumptions were completely wrong.

Islam. All those countries have one thing in common, you see. Perhaps it is a coincidence that every country you just named have had a huge inclination to Muslims (except Ethiopia which is heavily evangelized) whom believe in the same Abrahamic God that Christians and Jews believe in.

And we all know what Mosaic Law teaches along the lines of sex. You can thank religion for that change, not classes or contraception.

 

[CassinoChips]

Yes, that bastion of Islam known as Jamaica.

All of these countries had the same religion more than 15 years ago, yet the teen pregnancy rates are trending downward. Religion has been constant throughout the years. Sex ed has increased in recent years and global teen pregnancy rates have moved down along with it. If anything, religion increases the teen pregnancy rate because of the stigma it creates around being biologically human and the misinformation and outright lies it churns out concerning contraception, pregnancy, gender roles, and pretty much all things sex.

 

[Shinra Executive]

Yes, that bastion of Islam known as Jamaica.

All of these countries had the same religion more than 15 years ago, yet the teen pregnancy rates are trending downward. Religion has been constant throughout the years. Sex ed has increased in recent years and global teen pregnancy rates have moved down along with it. If anything, religion increases the teen pregnancy rate because of the stigma it creates around being biologically human and the misinformation and outright lies it churns out concerning contraception, pregnancy, gender roles, and pretty much all things sex.

It isn't misinformation that most all social problems have something to do with sex. The stigma you speak of is going into a store and seeing an entire shelf of condoms, or birth control commercials. All the vanities you see on TV, movies, signs, posters, etc.
It definitely doesn't stem from religion. The fact that you even attempt to make such a retarded comparison is a signal that you are simply one of those people that blame religion for everything and try to make it obsolete.

The Church tells no lies about the subject, it just doesn't tell you what you want to hear. Atheists want to do whatever they want, and the consequence of that is what you see- teen pregnancy, STD's, etc.
Throw a rock at Catholics because they tell some truth. That'll get em!


Also, I looked up the Church's stance more thoroughly, and the argument against contraception is that a person has a negligibly lesser chance of becoming pregnant if they use contraceptives regularly. The protection is rendered obsolete by the sheer amount of sex they have in relevance to the amount they'd have if contraceptives weren't available.

The reason for the decline has little to do with either education or contraceptives. Conveniently, state and government will aim to make that seem like the truth because of the advantageous time both were more regularly instituted- right when culture changes a bit in a child's upbringing, and the ever growing difficulty of raising a child. People are inherently more cautious.

 

[CassinoChips]

It isn't misinformation that most all social problems have something to do with sex. The stigma you speak of is going into a store and seeing an entire shelf of condoms, or birth control commercials. All the vanities you see on TV, movies, signs, posters, etc.
It definitely doesn't stem from religion. The fact that you even attempt to make such a retarded comparison is a signal that you are simply one of those people that blame religion for everything and try to make it obsolete.

Lol. 1950 called. They want their blinders back.

The Church tells no lies about the subject,

Remember this. I'll come back to it in a second.

Atheists want to do whatever they want, and the consequence of that is what you see- teen pregnancy, STD's, etc.
Throw a rock at Catholics because they tell some truth. That'll get em!

Sure, because you never see a Catholic teen get pregnant. Or a 13-year-old Muslim child bride get pregnant.

Also, I looked up the Church's stance more thoroughly, and the argument against contraception is that a person has a negligibly lesser chance of becoming pregnant if they use contraceptives regularly. The protection is rendered obsolete by the sheer amount of sex they have in relevance to the amount they'd have if contraceptives weren't available.

There are the outright lies I told you to keep in mind. If you believe this, you're an idiot. There's really no other way to put it. Using one form of contraception is somewhere between 75-99% effective in preventing pregnancy, depending on the type of contraceptive you employ, according to the CDC. Combining two forms of contraceptives is a virtual failsafe against pregnancy. The "sheer amount of sex" is irrelevant because you're preventing the possibility of pregnancy regardless of the amount of sex you have.

Contraception does not encourage teens to have sex. Teens are going to have sex anyway. Always have, always will. Might as well give them the means to protect themselves while they do.

The reason for the decline has little to do with either education or contraceptives. Conveniently, state and government will aim to make that seem like the truth because of the advantageous time both were more regularly instituted- right when culture changes a bit in a child's upbringing, and the ever growing difficulty of raising a child. People are inherently more cautious.

More cautious? Have you ever watched MTV?

 

[Shinra Executive]

Sure, because you never see a Catholic teen get pregnant. Or a 13-year-old Muslim child bride get pregnant.

There are Christians who remain abstinate until marriage. There are even Catholic couples who, in all there years together, do not have sex until they are married.

And yet, it's virtually unheard of with atheists. In all actuality, a lot of them have little discretion because they have no disciplinary palette- and that is why the majority of pregnant teens aren't exactly devout Christians.

There are the outright lies I told you to keep in mind. If you believe this, you're an idiot. There's really no other way to put it. Using one form of contraception is somewhere between 75-99% effective in preventing pregnancy, depending on the type of contraceptive you employ, according to the CDC. Combining two forms of contraceptives is a virtual failsafe against pregnancy. The "sheer amount of sex" is irrelevant because you're preventing the possibility of pregnancy regardless of the amount of sex you have.

Right, because it is so common for a women to never, ever have sex without one. The majority of women don't even like condoms, and go on birth control which is not as effective.
Because of these things, they have sex far more often. And by extension, they become reckless and start taking risks, thereby making little difference. If birth control didn't exist, the amount of sex would be at the very least cut in half out of fear of becoming pregnant.

Contraception does not encourage teens to have sex. Teens are going to have sex anyway. Always have, always will. Might as well give them the means to protect themselves while they do.

That's exactly what it does, and one would have to be a complete fool to believe otherwise. Most girls don't even give a shit about virginity anymore, they just don't want to get knocked up, and that is where contraceptives comes in. It is encouragement on a silver platter.

 

[CassinoChips]

There are Christians who remain abstinate until marriage. There are even Catholic couples who, in all there years together, do not have sex until they are married.

And having gone to a Catholic high school, I can assure you that the majority of teenagers at that school were sexually active during their teenage years. And it was by no means an outlier.

And yet, it's virtually unheard of with atheists. In all actuality, a lot of them have little discretion because they have no disciplinary palette- and that is why the majority of pregnant teens aren't exactly devout Christians.

Not to stereotype or anything.

Ah yes. The godless, morally bankrupt, heathen atheists. Christians are the only ones who are allowed to act in morally righteous ways. I'm sure you've talked to the majority of females who consider themselves atheists, and have asked them why have sex before marriage.

Right, because it is so common for a women to never, ever have sex without one.

Right, because condoms are the only form of birth control.

The majority of women don't even like condoms,

I'd love to see your statistics to back up this claim. But I won't hold my breath.

and go on birth control which is not as effective.

Wrong. Completely and absolutely wrong. On multiple levels.

-The basic level: According to the CDC, condoms are 82-92% effective at preventing pregnancy. Birth control is 91-99% effective at preventing pregnancy.

-The moral level: A significant proportion of women are put on hormone replacement therapy because they suffer from a hormone imbalance. Their progesterone and/or estrogen levels are off-kilter, and the most efficacious form to receive hormone replacement is through the birth control pill. In other words, it has nothing to do with sex.

Because of these things, they have sex far more often. And by extension, they become reckless and start taking risks, thereby making little difference.

Or maybe women just enjoy having sex? That would be a crazy thought, wouldn't it? Women enjoying sexual intercourse instead of simply being babymaking machines like God intended. Absurd.

If birth control didn't exist, the amount of sex would be at the very least cut in half out of fear of becoming pregnant.

Nah, we'd just go back to the rape culture we had during the Middle Ages. And the 1950s.

That's exactly what it does, and one would have to be a complete fool to believe otherwise. Most girls don't even give a shit about virginity anymore, they just don't want to get knocked up, and that is where contraceptives comes in. It is encouragement on a silver platter.

Why is virginity even important in the first place? To live up to some bullshit moral standard established by a male-dominated society to keep women in their place so men can dictate the terms of sex. Contraception, and specifically birth control, allow women to control their own sexuality and wrest some the power out of the hands of men.

Come join us in the 21st century. We have cookies.

 

[Shinra Executive]

And having gone to a Catholic high school, I can assure you that the majority of teenagers at that school were sexually active during their teenage years. And it was by no means an outlier.

Just because one attends a Catholic school doesn't mean they are Christians. I mean, take yourself as an example. Sitting in a garage doesn't make you a car, you see.

Ah yes. The godless, morally bankrupt, heathen atheists. Christians are the only ones who are allowed to act in morally righteous ways. I'm sure you've talked to the majority of females who consider themselves atheists, and have asked them why have sex before marriage.

I don't ask questions which have self-evident answers. Christians who practice abstinence are not subject to social quarrels, illness, and pregnancy. They actually value their future plans rather then ruining them because they want to obsess over relationships and sex. The people who do grow up and wonder why life is so unfair- maybe it has something to do with, well, being a heathen.
It's a truth that atheists don't like, but it is truth nonetheless. Although, in this modern age, some seem to think they can just render something false if they bash it enough with a liberal stick.

Wrong. Completely and absolutely wrong. On multiple levels.

-The basic level: According to the CDC, condoms are 82-92% effective at preventing pregnancy. Birth control is 91-99% effective at preventing pregnancy.

Yeah, that's what they think, and then the next thing they know, they're popping out babies. I know several girls in which birth control outright failed. Do you know why? Because they had sex all the time, and it outdid the protection.
What a coincidence.

Or maybe women just enjoy having sex? That would be a crazy thought, wouldn't it? Women enjoying sexual intercourse instead of simply being babymaking machines like God intended. Absurd.

Enjoyment does not outdo responsibility. It's all enjoyable until STD's start circulating around, and teens ruin their lives before they even get out of high school. There are literally millions of abortions every single year, not to mention the tax dollars that I pay for 15 year olds who weren't raised well enough to keep their legs closed until they were stable enough to be doing it.
But wait, liberals are all about tax dollars. You starting to see some connections here, Hoss?

 

[CassinoChips]

Just because one attends a Catholic school doesn't mean they are Christians. I mean, take yourself as an example. Sitting in a garage doesn't make you a car, you see.

Yes, I was a terrible example of a Christian teenager, what with my attending Mass two or three times a week, my abstinence from alcohol, drugs, and sex, my hundreds of hours of community service. I was clearly doing it wrong. But I'm glad you have been appointed the judge of who was Christian enough. I hope you speak to St. Peter on everybody's behalf as you certainly seem to sit in judgment over the rest of the lowly fake Christians.

I don't ask questions which have self-evident answers. Christians who practice abstinence are not subject to social quarrels, illness, and pregnancy.

Can't argue against crazy.

They actually value their future plans rather then ruining them because they want to obsess over relationships and sex. The people who do grow up and wonder why life is so unfair- maybe it has something to do with, well, being a heathen.

My life has never been better since I stopped believing in fairy tales.

It's a truth that atheists don't like, but it is truth nonetheless. Although, in this modern age, some seem to think they can just render something false if they bash it enough with a liberal stick.

Or render it true if they hit it with a religious stick.

Yeah, that's what they think, and then the next thing they know, they're popping out babies. I know several girls in which birth control outright failed. Do you know why? Because they had sex all the time, and it outdid the protection.

The birth control failed, or they failed the birth control? Because that's usually what happens. They forget to take the pill regularly, and the hormone level differentiates.

There are literally millions of abortions every single year,

The majority of which are performed on married women who already have at least one child. So that's pretty much irrelevant.

 

[Bambi]

There should be an option for homosexual sex ed class in public schools to be honest. I'm not sure if there are any schools that do so, but it's not a bad idea. In fact, it is a smart idea because they don't teach those things in regular sex ed, to my knowledge...

Making it a seperate class would be abit stupid, we're supposed to be promoting equality and it should be covered regardless and not just an option. there are so many ignorant people about, it would be worth everyone being more educated

 

[The Master]

Making it a seperate class would be abit stupid, we're supposed to be promoting equality and it should be covered regardless and not just an option. there are so many ignorant people about, it would be worth everyone being more educated

I was thinking that initially. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to keep it in the same class or not. But you bring up a lot of good points and I wholeheartedly agree with you.

 

[Shinra Executive]

~Phenomenon of ‘risk compensation’- the use of sex contraceptives increases the liklihood of people within a society to compensate for it by taking bigger sex related risks.~

These are the things which should be taught in sexual education classes, lest it be a waste of time.

Because think about it realistically- how much of a politically correct fool does one have to be to think that sex ed classes reduce pregnancy and STD's?
Did any class ever change your approach to sex?

The fact of the matter is that, what you learn through a course in sex ed, you learn anyways in your upbringing. A lot of it is self-evident. All you have to hear is 'sexually transmitted disease' and it automatically registers in your mind that there are diseases which spread through sex. You learn that men have seeds and women have eggs, and abra kadabra- you register how babies are made.

With this being the case, sex ed is redundant and pointless. By extension, it hasn't done jack to prevent pregnancy or STD's. Sound reason alone pretty much crushes this entire debate.
The reason why the rates have lowered is because of culture and the economy. That is an extremely more adequate notion.

One can throw statistics out telling how pregnancies and STD's have decreased since the beginning of sex ed, but all those statistics really amount to are a beginning year up until now. That's all they are. The rest is just assumption.
People should learn to discern statistics for what they really show so they don't become potentially mislead.

 

[Marquis of Granby]

not all statistics are lies. and even without statistics its clear that we hear more about teen pregnancy and stds because as a society we have matured and these things are far less taboo than they have been previously.

it's very difficult to educate an ignorant person who doesnt care or who is lead to believe that these things will sort themselves out especially if their "sex education" comes from a core religious belief perhaps touted by some perverted old child-rapist protecting virgin. there have always been stupid people who don't care, the difference is that we hear about them far more now than we ever have.

education is great. we're born curious, it's just a shame so many people want to beat the stupid into their kids.

 

[Big Casino]

Sex Education is CRUCIAL information. Its one of the most imprtant things we needto teach our children. Anyone who thinks this is gunna make kids wanna go out shagging is fucking stupid. When we gt into teenage years thats all we think about. Its in our nature to want to have sex. Being shown risks and ways to keep safe is extremely important. If you think its wrong you really need to grow up and get a grip. Look at the world we live in. Its not fucking perfect, its no glossed up beverly hills. The world is a harsh place. We have to do everything we can to educate. Ultimately it comes down to a persons choice and what they wanna do. But you dont jump in the deep end when you cant swim. Education and learning is crucial.

Nesides when i first saw the sex ed video i laughed my little self to death at this guys hair willy being shown on tv and the teacher trying to explain. But i can tell you that i still remember it well and the video stayed with me for a long time.

 

[SaShman]

The idea that sex education shouldn't be taught because kids learn about it outside of school is retarded. My parents taught me the alphabet and how to count before I started school, I guess that means that teaching these things is redundant.

Teenagers are going to have sex regardless of whether there is sexual education or not. So they may as well learn how to do it safely. The stuff that I learned about in sex ed/health was directly relevant to my teenhood. The 2010 version of myself outlined all of the wonderful things I learned about quite nicely.

 

[Tyler Breeze]

I must not be a normal teen.... Anyway, we were never taught sexual education in Elementary or Middle school. I guess you could say I'll be learning about it now in Biology, It will come eventually. Uh... I don't think it's a bad thing to teach us. It might help with keeping us... safe from..... STDs and stuff like that? Yes... Hehe. Um.... Yeah, it's a good thing to teach us.