Rule, Britannia! A Club for the British (but opened up to the Commonwealth and those affected).

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So, what do I think of when I think of Britain?

Firstly I think of our history. Our history is very long and intertwined with more countries
than I can count. I think it's partly because of this that we Brits have such a hard time defining just what we are. We are a fantastic melting pot of different peoples that have for a very long time lived, worked and fought together in a quite remarkable symbiotic way. The natives of the lands that make up the British Isles were once all Celtic and as a result of that and being part of the Celtic peoples myself, I think that Celtic culture is without question an important part of the conglomoration of factors that make Britain what it is. Celtic music makes me think of Britain without fail wherever I am in the world, whether it's just the Celtic sound and the feelings it calls forth in me or the actual languages of the Celtic peoples themselves.

Aspects of food make me think of our homeland, even though it is often pointed out that we brought many of the foods we consider British home from our days of empire building. Whether those things were originally British or not, they have, for us, become British, and so it counts.
Curry is very British, even though people say that it was honed in India. If you ever go to India, try their curries, because they are very different. Curry itself is actually an English word. And to put a Celtic twist on that and the fish and chips idea, I love going home to Wales, ordering "curry half and half" and people not look at me as if I'm mad. That meaning, having curry half with rice and half with chips - a very Welsh idea, to me. What do you think of that Sprout? Fish and chips is also a very British thing to me, as well as its Victorian era East-London equivalent for the working classes which is pie and mash and stewed eels. Also the Brits do puddings very well, and I've never been able to associate cider with anywhere but Ireland and the south-west of England.

Also our accents are rivaled by no other country, despite the fact that we are a small collection of islands in the middle of no-where - Держай язык за зубами, Роccия (keep your mouth shut, Russia).
I've travelled in Europe, Asia, in North and South America and a little in Africa and no-where other than in Britain have I heard such a mishmash of accents. I've lived in the UK for about 20 non-consecutive years and I
can still hear accents I've never heard before or something I've struggled to understand.

The last thing I'm going to mention is pubs. I'm not going to be talking about drinking either. When I was growing up, I didn't think of these things as anything spe
cial, firstly because I wasn't allowed to drink, and secondly because I'd never seen drinking establishments in other countries. Hell, even when I turned 18 I didn't bat an eyelid with them at all - until I started drinking in other countries. And this goes back to history again and how ridiculously old Britain is. Pubs are places where people drank and socialised, yes, but they were once (and in many cases still are) the focal point of a town. In smaller villages you know you're in the centre if you've found the pub. It is very common for pubs at least where I've been to be well over four or five hundred years old or even older. I've drunk in pubs that still serve ale in tankards, that still have old wooden beams on the ceilings, maps of the immediate area from hundreds of years previous, huge wood fireplaces and the old signs you associate with the Middle Ages "Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese". The windows in many of them are still of smoked or frosted glass so that you can't see into them from the outside. You just don't get this stuff in other countries. Frankly, in other countries, I've always been disappointed by their "bars". Doesn't even sound as good. Having thought about it for a second, I may be doing Australia and New Zealand a disservice. I've not been to either of them, and since we shipped you Australians off over there in the 18th century, your pubs might be a bit more like ours. I know that much of Europe's and America's are not.
 
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I've added you to the group, LanguageSponge! :argor:

You're welcome.

You also seem like a very interesting person, and it would be good to have you in this group.


I've not been to many pubs in other countries, but I guess different cultures have their own focal points of a sort. In Greece, for example, people either sit outside on chairs more often, or they go to little tavernas and sit around there together. For Britain it tends to be the pubs.

It is quite amazing how many different accents exist on this small island. I don't speak any other language, so I've never been able to tell how varied accents are for people in non-English speaking countries.
 
I'm eating crumpets as I type this. If anything is great about Britain, it's crumps.
 
Celtic culture is pretty much dead in Scotland. Its became merely a shadow of the country we were meant to be. The Jacobite rebellions and the following highland clearances are one of my favourite parts of history. It could have changed British history as we know it but it wasnt meant to be. The Gaelic in Scotland is gunna die out one day soon and its gunna be a sad day when it does.

I think the British goverment should have apologised for the essentially 'ethnic cleansing' that followed the battle of Culloden. Yes its in an age long past but war crimes dont become acceptable over time. Not to me they dont. It was Ethnic cleansing, theres no doubt of that at all, just read the facts.
 
It would be a shame to lose all of that.

Do they teach any Gaelic at all in schools in Scotland these days?

It's a shame that so many of the older languages are vanishing, and some of them aren't even curiosities anymore.
 
There are schools in Scotland that teach solely through the medium of Scots Gaelic. In the 1980s there were so few people that took this option up that the numbers aren't even worth mentioning, but apparently this number has been on the rise for the last thirty-odd years and now about 2000 kids are enroled in Scots Gaelic schools. I am not sure whether that is predominantly primary or secondary, but if the situation in Wales is anything to go by then it is mostly primary school level. There was a time in the late 19th century and even more recently where Scots Gaelic was actively discouraged in Scottish schools. I'd even go as far as to call it oppression, and it has been recognised since that this policy had a devastating effect on the state of the Scots Gaelic language. I won't go into details about it, it's not terribly nice.

The situation with Irish Gaelic is quite a bit better, I've heard, but it's still only a minority language in Ireland as well. Irish Gaelic is spoken on a day-to-day basis by quite a small number of people except in a few areas collectively known as the Ghaeltacht in Irish. Irish Gaelic's decline began with the potato famine in the 19th century. There are also Irish Gaelic schools but I don't know very much about them. I know of quite a lot of Irish Gaelic bands and music, and the title song of one of my favourite computer games, Metal Gear Solid, is sung in Irish. I've played the games so many times I can sing along to it and have even come to understand it.

Of the remaining Celtic languages, Welsh is by far the healthiest. Persecution of Welsh speakers began far earlier than that of Irish or Scots speakers so that might have something to do with it. There are Welsh schools in Wales and in the border counties of England. Many of my relatives speak Welsh fluently and some aunts and uncles who've married into the family have learnt Welsh to fit in. All of my cousins attended a Welsh-speaking school, as did I until I left Wales at about age six. As a second language, all kids have to take a half GCSE in Welsh. In terms of music, I haven't heard of that many bands that sing in Welsh. I imagine there are choirs though, as the Welsh are big on choir singing :) My family sing a lot in Welsh but God only knows where they got these songs from!

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