Ruination of music

[Captain Squee]

As I was saying in the shout box, I think both iPod and the radio have ruined music and here are my reasons why

iPod : the reason for this one is simple. With iPod almost always comes LimeWire. iPod has a way of making kids these days listen to music very loudly, at an unnecisarry volume. Although it is true that people have listened to music extremely loud in the past, iPod does it particularly. iPod did in fact make the ear buds a more popular site, but here some known facts. Ear buds=/=your buds. The main design flaw of an approx. 73% of ear buds is that, the sound waves build up pressure in the ear. This puts pressure on the tempanum (the thing that picks up the sound) and makes the average hearing of people these days decrease. Also, with the popularity of the iPod so great, it is measured that more people have been listening to portable music using earbuds than the past has shown.

At this note, there are various rock and heavy metal bands that are now less motivated to play any music at all. Examples include Underoath, Saosin, Bullet for my Valentine, and others not mentioned. Some of these bands however, need to play because they are so young into the career that they need to make their living.

Radio : this one is in the case of advertising. Most of what the radio does is advertise albums, among the entertainment. Now I have no problem with the advertising, as it helps the industry, however, I DO have a problem with what it is doing to small and local bands.

How often is it that a new band of a certain genre rises? Not very, they have to be veiwed as epic by a certain amount of people, and good by more. Sure, there are radio stations that play small timers here where I live, but they get very few listeners. This is also in team with the fact that those musical bands have to also be recognized by the station staff. This is a hard feat, as you dont just magically appear on the radio.

I saw this ruins music because countless tiomes I have heard bands that are known well throughout my central NY area here in the states. I like to see these bands perform live, and let me tell you, they are spactacular! These shows are amazing, and the band members like to stay for the rest of the bands as well, and socialize. These bands desreve much more recognition from the public than to play in a few bars, clubs, and other such places.



Of course, this is just my opinion, we are all entitled to our own, I'm just voicing mine at the moment.

 

[Jack's Smirking Revenge]

How has the iPod brought about loud music? If you hadn't noticed before, a proper sound system (comprising of good quality speakers, amp and sub woofer) can put out a much louder volume, and much clearer than earphones ever will. It's all down to the individual how loud they listen to their music, it has absolutely nothing to do with the iPod or any other type of mp3 player.

And as for radio stations, they merely supply demand. They play what is most listened to and most popular with the general public and nothing more. Yes, it's a pretty shit system when you consider all the bands that go almost entirely unnoticed, but it'll never change.

 

[Talbain]

People have been advertising music, blowing out their eardrums at concerts, and ignoring new musical talent for the last 50 years. This is not new, and your experiences are hardly an indication of the downfall of music as we know it. I can hardly see how you can expect us to make this comparison between "modern, ruined music" and "classic, good music" since most of us have grown up listening to nothing BUT

And what is this bit about headphones building up soundwaves in our ears? What are you talking about? I've been using headphones to listen to music for years and I've never had any problem with my hearing. What does Limewire have to do with anything? And I sure as heck don't see legions of metal bands shutting down because they know they might be heard on the radio.

Frankly I think music is doing just fine as a whole. While certain genres could use a collective kick in the pants, it has nothing to do with technology ruining their sound. We're simply in a state of transition right now.

 

[Captain Squee]

How has the iPod brought about loud music? If you hadn't noticed before, a proper sound system (comprising of good quality speakers, amp and sub woofer) can put out a much louder volume, and much clearer than earphones ever will. It's all down to the individual how loud they listen to their music, it has absolutely nothing to do with the iPod or any other type of mp3 player.

Honestly all that can be explained in the previous post. I did note that the iPod did not make loud music, it promoted it. here take a look

Although it is true that people have listened to music extremely loud in the past, iPod does it particularly. iPod did in fact make the ear buds a more popular site, but here some known facts. Ear buds=/=your buds. The main design flaw of an approx. 73% of ear buds is that, the sound waves build up pressure in the ear. This puts pressure on the tempanum (the thing that picks up the sound) and makes the average hearing of people these days decrease. Also, with the popularity of the iPod so great, it is measured that more people have been listening to portable music using earbuds than the past has shown.

read it carefully this time, I never said that iPod brought about the loud music, I did note that point. Jesse argued about that in the shout box.

 

[CassinoChips]

Honestly all that can be explained in the previous post. I did note that the iPod did not make loud music, it promoted it. here take a look

read it carefully this time, I never said that iPod brought about the loud music, I did note that point. Jesse argued about that in the shout box.

So how is the loud music that the iPod produces different from the loud music that other systems produce? All sounds waves put pressure on the tympanic membrane. That's how the ear transmits sound waves to the brain. Showing some research to back up your percentage would help.

 

[Jack's Smirking Revenge]

"iPod does it particularly" - no it doesn't. Refer to previous argument for clarification, and quite probably every other post to follow.

 

[Captain Squee]

What that particular line means is that the iPod has such a popularity, that it is the most common. I even admit that the MicroSoft Zune is doing the same thing, along with other players. That specific line is only to say that the iPod is the biggest popularity. It has made this happen so much more often, so in a way, this is me saying all portable music for that matter now that I put more thaught into it...

I guess I should have worded this differently (personal hate for iPod)

This is why I use the old school headphones, the big ones...preassure will build up, but bot at that rate and less pressure will also be used...

 

[Jack's Smirking Revenge]

But it isn't just portable music players that have brought this about. Have you never been to a live gig, or even to a club where the music is so loud that you can't hear yourself sneeze? Situations like that do far more damage to your ears than earphones do.

 

[CassinoChips]

This is why I use the old school headphones, the big ones...preassure will build up, but bot at that rate and less pressure will also be used...

If the decibel levels are the same, it will do the same amount of damage to your hearing, regardless of the size of the headphones.

 

[Captain Squee]

Actually yes I have been to several, I know someone that hosts those. Indeed it is loud, but its not an everyday occurance, it gives time to heal between shows, unless it is a some-odd-day event. But even still, there usually is time to recover unless you are the actual band member. Also on that note, the preassure is released in these places, so it doesnt cause the same style of damage. The preassure damages the tempanum, but the volume damages the (follicals?) the hairs that pick up sounds. Both are bad, I admit.

and Jesse (who alomost ninja'd me now i have to have two tabs of the same thread lol) I'm not sure what decibals are, but its the preadure I'm talking about here. The preasure in the large padded headphones is getting released by a little but at a time, but due to extra space, it is also taking less time to create the same preasure. Again, i dont know what decibals are.

 

[Jack's Smirking Revenge]

Once the ear has been deadened to a frequency/pitch, it never heals.

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[Captain Squee]

I said if it was damaged, when its dead its dead is a given, but it actually takes a lot more to deaden an ear than is given credit for. It's not as fragile as anyone gives one, even a 3 day show will not deaden the ear

 

[CassinoChips]

Actually yes I have been to several, I know someone that hosts those. Indeed it is loud, but its not an everyday occurance, it gives time to heal between shows, unless it is a some-odd-day event. But even still, there usually is time to recover unless you are the actual band member. Also on that note, the preassure is released in these places, so it doesnt cause the same style of damage. The preassure damages the tempanum, but the volume damages the (follicals?) the hairs that pick up sounds. Both are bad, I admit.

and Jesse (who alomost ninja'd me now i have to have two tabs of the same thread lol) I'm not sure what decibals are, but its the preadure I'm talking about here. The preasure in the large padded headphones is getting released by a little but at a time, but due to extra space, it is also taking less time to create the same preasure. Again, i dont know what decibals are.

A decibel is what you're talking about. It's an algorithmic measurement of pressure created by sound waves.

90 decibels is enough to cause hearing loss. Most concerts are consistently aroung 130 dbs. It doesn't have to be 3 days for that to happen. It can happen in less than an hour. And there is no adjustment for the size of the output. It's measured when the sound waves hit a particular point. So if the headphones produce a series of sound waves that hit your eardrums at 120 dbs, it's going to do the same amount of damage as another set of headphones that produces sound waves that hit your eardrums at 120 dbs.

 

[Captain Squee]

hm, well touche Jess, you are proving that point wrong, and I would rep you but it seems I need to spread rep around first well played, even with my stubbornness. But either way, statistics show that earbuds cause more average damage than larger headphones. then again, there are three types of lies, untruths,damned lies, and statistics so lts hear this side, I'm listening and slowly being swayed.

honestly I didnt think you were so smart

 

[niesl2]

Playing music very loud is a trend in music I'm defenitely not going to follow. I've bought earplugs to wear at certain live concerts and my mp3-player is usually on a quite low volume.

But the volume of the music is in my opinion not the biggest aspect of Ipods that ruin music nowadays. I think the Ipod/mp3's have also created a trend of shuffling. Everyone has stored a zillion songs on his Ipod, computer and phone, and keeps skipping songs searching for one they want to here at the moment. The popularity of a song has been reduced from weeks to as little of a few days nowadays. My dad told me how he bought an LP and listened to all the songs on it for weeks because it was the newest music he had. Nowadays people download a song and listen to it for a few days and delete it because it is not hip anymore (until the first 2000's party's pop up, then it's retro ) Music has turned from a respected work of art into a junkfood for your ears.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned, listening to whole records and always listening complete songs instead of just intro's...but I like it that way.

 

[Tmoo]

Music has turned from a respected work of art into a junkfood for your ears.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned, listening to whole records and always listening complete songs instead of just intro's...but I like it that way.

While there are many people who only keep a song for as long as it's hip, I don't believe music has become junkfood. A factor in the short life of present-day songs is the sheer amount of music being produced by professional and amateur artists alike, and the on-demand availability through programs like itunes and download sites. The music industry has been drastically changed by the internet over the past few years, so the effects of this change are also significant. And, as many people that only care about a song's popularity as there are today, there are as many people who truly love music and will keep a song for as long as their hard drive survives, with backup.

 

[Icarus]

Hmm. I for one, love to listen to music at a high volume, and a hearing test I went through showed my hearing to be just as acute as it was before I started to be a metalhead. I don't know where you get your figures from, but you went to a lot of trouble to back yourself up. You've got some motivation.

 

[Donald Trump]

But the volume of the music is in my opinion not the biggest aspect of Ipods that ruin music nowadays. I think the Ipod/mp3's have also created a trend of shuffling. Everyone has stored a zillion songs on his Ipod, computer and phone, and keeps skipping songs searching for one they want to here at the moment. The popularity of a song has been reduced from weeks to as little of a few days nowadays. My dad told me how he bought an LP and listened to all the songs on it for weeks because it was the newest music he had. Nowadays people download a song and listen to it for a few days and delete it because it is not hip anymore (until the first 2000's party's pop up, then it's retro ) Music has turned from a respected work of art into a junkfood for your ears.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned, listening to whole records and always listening complete songs instead of just intro's...but I like it that way.

That's the only argument that I've heard about the how ipods/mp3s are bad for music.
Personally it's not one I agree with. There has always been a contest between albums and singles, radio stations generally only play singles, especially of new albums and even with older albums, the only songs that get air play are mostly singles. Money is almost the only song from Dark side of the moon that gets played, the same is true of another brick in the wall from the wall.
People used to buy albums because of the strength of the singles, now they can just download a couple of songs and not have to pay for the filler.
itunes etc means people have a lot more access to music than they would otherwise. Given how hard some albums/bands are to find having a site from where music can be downloaded in seconds is a massive advantage.

 

[niesl2]

That's the only argument that I've heard about the how ipods/mp3s are bad for music.
Personally it's not one I agree with. There has always been a contest between albums and singles, radio stations generally only play singles, especially of new albums and even with older albums, the only songs that get air play are mostly singles. Money is almost the only song from Dark side of the moon that gets played, the same is true of another brick in the wall from the wall.

True about radio stations, but nowadays nobody buys singles anymore. I even heard that they were planning to stop producing them around here (but they are still there I believe..) Concerning albums, I think people who listened to Pink Floyd's 30 year ago can remember more of their songs then people can remember about most modern artists withnin 30 years.

People used to buy albums because of the strength of the singles, now they can just download a couple of songs and not have to pay for the filler.
itunes etc means people have a lot more access to music than they would otherwise. Given how hard some albums/bands are to find having a site from where music can be downloaded in seconds is a massive advantage.

If people even pay at all... Of course Internet is good for spreading your music, but this means there is also more competition out there. Everyone can upload their music to the Internet, talent or not. On top of that, it is easier to just delete a song then to get rid of a single, which you'll probably just store somewhere in your basement. If I download a song and get bored of it after a while, I delete it, but if I get bored of a cd (or single) I put it away, meaning I'll probably pick it up again later, which is impossible with the deleted mp3. (And not everyone has zillions of storage space on their computers yet to store even more zillions of mp3's)

If I check the people around me, there are probably more people who download music and delete it when it bores them, then people who buy cd's/singles/online music and keep on to it forever. Of course 30 years ago there were also means of getting your music for free (recording from radio on tape or something like that), but new technologies greatly improve the ease and speed by which it can be done.

 

[Captain Squee]

But the volume of the music is in my opinion not the biggest aspect of Ipods that ruin music nowadays. I think the Ipod/mp3's have also created a trend of shuffling. Everyone has stored a zillion songs on his Ipod, computer and phone, and keeps skipping songs searching for one they want to here at the moment. The popularity of a song has been reduced from weeks to as little of a few days nowadays. My dad told me how he bought an LP and listened to all the songs on it for weeks because it was the newest music he had. Nowadays people download a song and listen to it for a few days and delete it because it is not hip anymore (until the first 2000's party's pop up, then it's retro ) Music has turned from a respected work of art into a junkfood for your ears.

ay, There is a fine stereotype This isnt always true. People like me have respect for songs, in fact, I still listen to Judas priest, AC/DC, ICP, Cake, Metallica, Aerosmith, The Scorpians, and many more. Music gets old because it is over-heard. People claim too many songs are epic these days, but the trulye epic songs are ones that are not amazing, but can be listened to for long periods of time. This is why so many old rock bands are so big, because what they played was mostly easy listening.

Hmm. I for one, love to listen to music at a high volume, and a hearing test I went through showed my hearing to be just as acute as it was before I started to be a metalhead. I don't know where you get your figures from, but you went to a lot of trouble to back yourself up. You've got some motivation.

I get my fihures from my uncle, whome is in a heavy metal band. He is not a big band, just one of those alright local bands that nobody has ever heard of, I'm not bragging to be honest. He has been playing since he was my age, and he is now in his 40's and still plaing. Now we all need to speak loudly and clearly for him to hear us properly, and he cannot focus on his practice without his amp like he used to. All his years of blasting his own music has greatly damaged his ear, and cannot be recovered. It takes time, yes, but it happens.