80's rock > rap of any era, although pre 2004 rap there is some half-decent stuff, it pales in comparison to the legends of rock 
Rock vs. Rap
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XemnasKH
Girly Man
Music is like candy, you throw away the (w)rapper.
Rap is just, bleah. I can't stand it. I like more of a metal genre of rock but I listen to many different kinds. Some bands I listen to are Red Hot Chili Peppers, Disturbed, System of a Down, The Offspring, Three Days Grace, and any other songs I like (there's a lot of those). I'll listen to any kind of rock really, if I like it or not is a different story.
Rap is just, bleah. I can't stand it. I like more of a metal genre of rock but I listen to many different kinds. Some bands I listen to are Red Hot Chili Peppers, Disturbed, System of a Down, The Offspring, Three Days Grace, and any other songs I like (there's a lot of those). I'll listen to any kind of rock really, if I like it or not is a different story.
I absolutely despise rap music, I think it's awful and shouldn't be mixed with mainstream music. It often consists of the same, drawn-out repetitive drum beat, a fast-talking, anti-lingual artist with far too much bling and not enough focus on developing the music. Not all rock music is good but, imo, all rap music is awful. <_<
LordEternal
Will You Remember? Will Your Heart Sing With Pain?
In my mind, rap is dead.
METALCORE FOR THE WIN! \m/(^\\)\m/
I love metal bands like:
Atreyu (aside from their Lead Sails Paper Anchor failure)
I Killed The Prom Queen
Bullet For My Valentine
August Burns Red
Story Of The Year
It Dies Today
As I Lay Dying
Trivium
Lamb Of God
I also like rock bands like:
1208
Eighteen Visions
Jimmy Eat World
The F-Ups
I did say that rap is dead in my head, but I must admit Linkin Park's nu metal rap/rock genre is pretty attractive. Yeah, rap is just so boring in my opinion, every artist is the same, every song sounds like the last, whereas rock is always changing; from blues (early Black Sabbath) to hair/glam metal (Motley Crue, Twisted Sister) to punk rock and so on and so forth.
METALCORE FOR THE WIN! \m/(^\\)\m/
I love metal bands like:
Atreyu (aside from their Lead Sails Paper Anchor failure)
I Killed The Prom Queen
Bullet For My Valentine
August Burns Red
Story Of The Year
It Dies Today
As I Lay Dying
Trivium
Lamb Of God
I also like rock bands like:
1208
Eighteen Visions
Jimmy Eat World
The F-Ups
I did say that rap is dead in my head, but I must admit Linkin Park's nu metal rap/rock genre is pretty attractive. Yeah, rap is just so boring in my opinion, every artist is the same, every song sounds like the last, whereas rock is always changing; from blues (early Black Sabbath) to hair/glam metal (Motley Crue, Twisted Sister) to punk rock and so on and so forth.
It depends on what the rap is, I despise rap when it's just a rap song, and 99/100 I hate rap when it's located within another song, mainly RnB, but sometimes I don't mind rap when it's in such songs such as "Camera Phone" but normally I hate it.
Either way, rock completely dominates rap in all possible aspects.
Either way, rock completely dominates rap in all possible aspects.
XemnasKH
Girly Man
Actually, now that I think about it, I will stand rap a bit. Maybe it's because of Feel Good Inc. but a few songs sound good with a little rap. Or maybe it's just because that song is mainly rock and kicks ass.
I was brought up on Rock. My Dad was a huge Elvis freak so whilst he was around, it was the only sort of music heard in the house.
Now I've grown up I love all the old Rock bands. Metallica, Led Zepplin, etc. I'm into other bands like Evanescence, Lacuna Coil, Nightwish, DragonForce, Disturbed, Sonic Syndicate, InFlames, Nickelback and so on... Though not sure how many of them actually fit into the Rock genre. XDDDD
I cannot stand Rap. It sounds so damn shite. Makes me wanna repeatedly smash my face into a wall. D=< You can't spell CRAP without RAP.
Now I've grown up I love all the old Rock bands. Metallica, Led Zepplin, etc. I'm into other bands like Evanescence, Lacuna Coil, Nightwish, DragonForce, Disturbed, Sonic Syndicate, InFlames, Nickelback and so on... Though not sure how many of them actually fit into the Rock genre. XDDDD
I cannot stand Rap. It sounds so damn shite. Makes me wanna repeatedly smash my face into a wall. D=< You can't spell CRAP without RAP.
Anya
~<3
ROCK!!!
I love rock and I depise rap my friends keep telling he rock sucks and we get arguements about it.I mean rap every song talks about sex, drugs, killing and gangs.It sounds like crap and it repeats alot of the same verses over and over again and you cant get in beat with it because of all the crap they put in it.
I love rock and I depise rap my friends keep telling he rock sucks and we get arguements about it.I mean rap every song talks about sex, drugs, killing and gangs.It sounds like crap and it repeats alot of the same verses over and over again and you cant get in beat with it because of all the crap they put in it.
One-winged Demon
LOVELESS
Rap generally is a good music style but unfortunately the awful rap is usually famous and shown in the public.Rock on the other hand is very good too but I prefer rap because it talks about modern problems.
Wow, every rap song talks about, sex, drugs and killing huh? That's a pretty impressive feat, managing to have heard every rap song in existence.
There's no law that says you have to like a genre of music, if people prefer rock music that's fine, but all the comments here saying 'all rap is rubbish and there is no talent involved in it' are absurd generalisations.
I like music that, in the words of the late and great Bill Hicks, "PLAYS FROM THE FUCKING HEART!"
Essentially this means anything, but my first love will always be Metal and Heavy Rock. I like a little bit of old skool Rap and Hip-Hop that actually has some soul, but all this 'guns n' ho's' bullshit can sod off in my opinion.
I grew up on Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Metallica, Megadeth, Nirvana, AC/DC, Motorhead, Dio, Jimi Hendrix....
Now this is just a taster (I've still got shit loads to organize, and some of the below are just a few songs like Trivium cos I think they suck mostly) of what I've got knocking about in my CD collection and Hardrives (if you can make out the tiny text)....
Essentially this means anything, but my first love will always be Metal and Heavy Rock. I like a little bit of old skool Rap and Hip-Hop that actually has some soul, but all this 'guns n' ho's' bullshit can sod off in my opinion.
I grew up on Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Metallica, Megadeth, Nirvana, AC/DC, Motorhead, Dio, Jimi Hendrix....
Now this is just a taster (I've still got shit loads to organize, and some of the below are just a few songs like Trivium cos I think they suck mostly) of what I've got knocking about in my CD collection and Hardrives (if you can make out the tiny text)....
As a matter of fact I do listen to rock a lot. I never said that rock is completely devoid of suggestive lyrics, which it is not. But most of the time rock never suggests actually doing drugs. BTW, Godsmack is a band and not a song. Both times that a metal band was taken to court, it was the same lawyer, and both times he lost the case because he obviously had delusions that rock contained evil messages.
Oh, and here are some rap lyrics that aren't advertising drugs, but gang violence. It's Lil' Wayne's "A Milli".
I'm a venereal disease like a menstrual bleed
Through the pencil and leak on the sheet of the tablet in my mind,
Cause I don't write shit cause I ain't got time,
Cause my seconds, minutes, hours go to the all mighty dolla,
And the all mighty power of dat ch-ch-ch-ch-chopper,
Sister, Brother, Son, Daughter, Father motha fuck a copper,
Got tha maserati dancin on the bridge pussy poppin,
Tell the coppers... ha ha ha ha you can't catch em, you can't stop em,
I go by them goon rules,
If you can't beat em, then you pop em,
You can't man em, then you mop em,
You can't stand em, then you drop em,
You pop em cause we pop em like Orville Redenbacher,
You can't look at those lyrics and say they don't tell you to "pop" members of a police force. The members of the bands you mentioned all turned to drugs because of the stress and tension of performing, never being able to go home, and never really making a friend.
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You quote one rap song and claim it's encouraging killing policemen - and seem to be using that as evidence that rap in general encourages violence. I may as well take a Jonny Cash lyric ("I killed a man in Reno/Just to watch him die") and say that proves the same point about his music. One song does not equal the whole genre, and neither song is saying "Kill people" anyway. Plus you don't bother to mention any rap songs that don't talk about violence (yes, they do exist amazingly!)
And I love the whole 'all rockers on drugs were actually all lonely' angle. Brilliant! So rappers are sinister but rock musicians are easily led. How about Sid Vicious who killed hs girlfriend? Maybe that makes all punk musicians thugs by the logic employed here.
No-one has the moral high ground, and it's stupid to think otherwise.
Plus "You can't spell crap without rap" - lines like that are hilarious, my sides are aching, seriously.
And I love the whole 'all rockers on drugs were actually all lonely' angle. Brilliant! So rappers are sinister but rock musicians are easily led. How about Sid Vicious who killed hs girlfriend? Maybe that makes all punk musicians thugs by the logic employed here.
No-one has the moral high ground, and it's stupid to think otherwise.
Plus "You can't spell crap without rap" - lines like that are hilarious, my sides are aching, seriously.
Can you really blame anyone for not wanting to dig through all the shit of the unknown mine to get to the unknown vein?
In all honesty, I have never heard about underground rap until about 6 months after using the internet to post on message boards.
So far as I've seen, all that's involved is ghey coreagraphy, midi players, and drum beats that are barely any different from the other.
Forgive me for my ignorance, but I've heard a few underground rap songs and thought they were just as obscene as the shit that's on top, flying mainstream.
For the mature mind, no. For the massive amount of stupid kids who listen to rap, yes.
Anytime a fight happens in a school, 7 times out of 10, it's some wangster jackass getting mad about someone saying shit that managed to get around.
Personally, I blame parents more than the artists, though. They're getting lazy, and they're not monitoring anything their children do anymore.
I.E,
A 10 year old child asks HAY MOM, CAN I GET THIS MOVIE WITH THIS CUBAN GUY IN A TUXEDO WITH A CARBINE ASSAULT RIFLE ON IT? SURE TOMMY!
I think the only rap song I've ever heard and managed to listen to for longer than 20 seconds was Brown Sugar by Nujabes. That shit was just too obscene to get into. Felt like stabbing my eyes out.
protip: just because they made a bitchin' collaboration of a theme song for a kick-ass anime doesn't mean they sound good with their own shit
Well, like I said. Other styles of rap are well hidden behind mainstream rap to the young ones of our society. I find it difficult to be irritated with them tbh
Indeed. Hence the term "underground," meaning that it is not the mainstream. The fact that you haven't heard any of it doesn't discount it as a genre.
Yes. You know, when I listen to that rock'n'roll, I'm always amazed at how many different drum beats there are! I mean, I've only heard boom boom chk *PAUSE* boom boom chck...oh, wait, FIFTY THOUSAND FUCKING TIMES.
Mainstream music is not the venue for improvisation. Most of it's dry, formulaic, utterly substanceless shit, and I'd much rather listen to someone rap about smoking crack and raping hoes than hear another pretentious girlfriend song.
And as for the part about underground rap, you're making a huge statement on the basis of incredibly limited experiences. I encourage you to listen to some Eyedea, Aesop Rock, Sage Francis, MF Doom, and rethink it a bit. Are you going to find some "obscene" lyrics? Yeah. Are you going to be smart enough to realize that it's not serious music? Maybe.
QUICK! Somebody call the APA! We've just discovered the whole reason why pissy teenagers fight --that pesky rap music!
Or...wait...maybe it's just because they're pissy teenagers who cling to whatever popular music is deemed controversial because they're mindless little drones.
I went to a 99.9% white rural high school. The kids who acted like delquent little shitbags listened to CMT shit. Do I blame Toby Keith? No, not really.
I don't know. I spent a couple of days listening to shit like 50 Cent when I was like 12, and then I got on the internet and haven't been back since. Finding new, good music, the shit you'll never see on MTV, is easier than ever.
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50 years ago people were blaming rock music for making young people run riot and saying it was causing moral decay in society and encouraging bad behaviour. 30 years ago it was punk music. Replace 'rock music' and 'punk music' with 'rap music' and I guess nothing has changed. Nice how these things go in circles.
You'd figure if it was so hard come upon, most people wouldn't get so pissy about people saying that all rap is shit since you can clearly distinguish the difference between an ignorant statement and a knowledgable statement.
A standard drum set and an ancient donkey kong drum are two entirely different things. Like a guitar, each piece of the drum set is put on a different tuning.
Bongo drums are one or two drums, and they can't be changed to make a different sound.
I believe that's why I said forgive my ignorance.
and as I previously stated and meant to imply, I'm not downloading a bunch of different music to prove to myself that I don't think all rap sucks. I wouldn't right now even if i wanted to, since it apparently takes half an hour to download something that's like, 10 MB
Anyway, I think I'll leave the topic of rap being a bad influence on today's unfortunate children here, since it seems like it's taking attention away from the topic of Rock vs Rap.
Drums are tuned to best fit the individual drum, but there is no set tuning for drums like there is a guitar. And I don't know what a donkey kong drum is, and haven't listened to a lot of bongo-centric rap, so I'm not going to comment further.
Ignorance just means not knowing, but stupidity is knowing you don't know and doing it anyways. Saying "forgive my ignorance" isn't a get out of jail free card.
But yeah, I think I'll stop here too.
my bad about the drums, i was just trying to be a smartass 
Stupidity is such a hurtful word.
I prefer to call it laziness, since in this case, i only do something if im inclined to do it. But I also don't think anywhere in this conversation I have said LOLOLOL ALL RAP IS SHIT AND SUX CAWK.
I have said that all rap that I've listened to isn't my thing and sounds like it all bears a strong resemblance to the other, not that I'm the Einstein of rap and think it sucks. Just that I can't get into it because the only songs I've heard had content within them that was too immature or just too incoherent for me to get into
feel free to bust my chops about nirvana now btw, since kurt cobain was all but coherent in his lyrics
I just don't see the point in taking a detour if you don't think it's going to take you where you wanna be.
Stupidity is such a hurtful word.
I prefer to call it laziness, since in this case, i only do something if im inclined to do it. But I also don't think anywhere in this conversation I have said LOLOLOL ALL RAP IS SHIT AND SUX CAWK.
I have said that all rap that I've listened to isn't my thing and sounds like it all bears a strong resemblance to the other, not that I'm the Einstein of rap and think it sucks. Just that I can't get into it because the only songs I've heard had content within them that was too immature or just too incoherent for me to get into
feel free to bust my chops about nirvana now btw, since kurt cobain was all but coherent in his lyrics
I just don't see the point in taking a detour if you don't think it's going to take you where you wanna be.