PSP2 and Nintendo 3DS

[Terra Branford]

It is a FACT that the 3DS will only last 3-5 hours, as that's been posted by official Nintendo developers. I didn't just pull this bit of information out of my ass. Again, you didn't post a link disproving my statement, ergo, yours holds no water.

Are you serious? Or are you trolling me?

First, you misunderstood...again.

I said you could boost hours like you can with any DS by conserving energy by settings

Do you not know what I meant when I said "boosts"?

I'm not arguing that the hours aren't 3-5 long, I'm saying that you can boost from there and increase hours depending on how you play and what settings you play with or what games you play.

I don't see how I'm being confusing >.< If someone else could come in here and explain how I'm being confusing, please do. I would love to clear up my posts! :<

Second, I did post likes Please go BACK and read my dang posts please. I posted them in this post. (Encase you can't see the links [probably a cause of my font color ], that sentence is click-able, like my previous posts have been.)

I didn't misinterpret anything. For some weird reason, you assumed I had the knowledge of a four year old pertaining to battery life in handhelds, which insinuates that you were talking down to me. You also refrained from acknowledging my question, which was..

Where have I assumed you had the knowledge of a four old? How was I talking down to you? Quiet the opposite, you have been rather rude to me when I have been nothing but civil to you and replied nicely with links and quotes. Please point out where I was being rude to your or talking down to you. If it is what you claim, I will apologize.

But it would probably be better if I did now even if I didn't do those things: I'm sorry Kelranox, for talking down to you if I had. I didn't mean to.

There. That's over. Please don't bring attitude to this anymore, a moderator has already warned that.

and I'll post it for a third freaking time and will continue posting it until you answer it: Given that Official Nintendo Developers released a statement regarding the battery life/charge time of a 3DS lasting 3-5 hours, how do you know that this posted battery life is only comparable to a 3DS that is being used at maximum capacity?

Please look back at my posts for links I included in my thread you passed over. I assure you Kelranox, they are there.

When I ask this, don't show me a list of past handhelds and their battery life/charge capacity. As that doesn't pertain to the conversation at all.

You really don't understand me do you? Look Kelranox, I am not disagreeing with you that the 3DS only has a 3-5 hour limit. I am NOT arguing that fact. But Nintendo's DS series has settings you can toy with so it boosts your charge time.

 

[Ilyena]

If you two want to continue this argument, please take it to PM. At this point, it's derailing the thread as none of the posts pertain to the OP's question.

 

[Martel]

Oh, but they aren't all going to be previously released games. They are remaking Zelda and maybe a few others, but we'll have more new games than old.

Hence why I said "at the moment" ♥

At the moment, what I have seen of the 3DS hasn't impressed me. The extra features aren't worth the money I'll have to pay for them (I think it's a safe assumption it'll be expensive, given the price in Japan) and I am not impressed that they're bringing OOT back from the dead *again* in an attempt to sell the console. For one, they don't need to, it'll sell anyway. For two, OOT needs to DIE, it's been on every Nintendo console since the N64 (excluding the handhelds) in one form or another and it's getting old.

Who knows, the 3DS may become like the Wii - a den for some of the most horrendous games ever created. There will definetely be some good games amongst the crap, but the number and quality of those games are what will determine whether I change my mind about it or not.

As for the PSP2...I'm not sure if I'll buy that or not. I doubt I will to begin with - Sony consoles are ALWAYS horrendously expensive when they first come out. It'd depend on the features...if it has that crappy excuse for a control stick and no backwards compatability, I'll probably pass. Nintendo can do it, and they're supposed to be technologically inferior to Sony. Sony have no excuse. I think it's a given that the PSP2 will be technologically superior to the 3DS. But I highly doubt that will help it to sell - Nintendo are an established family favourite now, and the 3DS is going to ride on that success to sell in the millions - and technology really doesn't matter to me at least. I'll be looking solely at what games are on offer.

 

[Kelranox]

Hence why I said "at the moment" ♥

At the moment, what I have seen of the 3DS hasn't impressed me. The extra features aren't worth the money I'll have to pay for them (I think it's a safe assumption it'll be expensive, given the price in Japan) and I am not impressed that they're bringing OOT back from the dead *again* in an attempt to sell the console. For one, they don't need to, it'll sell anyway. For two, OOT needs to DIE, it's been on every Nintendo console since the N64 (excluding the handhelds) in one form or another and it's getting old.

Who knows, the 3DS may become like the Wii - a den for some of the most horrendous games ever created. There will definetely be some good games amongst the crap, but the number and quality of those games are what will determine whether I change my mind about it or not.

As for the PSP2...I'm not sure if I'll buy that or not. I doubt I will to begin with - Sony consoles are ALWAYS horrendously expensive when they first come out. It'd depend on the features...if it has that crappy excuse for a control stick and no backwards compatability, I'll probably pass. Nintendo can do it, and they're supposed to be technologically inferior to Sony. Sony have no excuse. I think it's a given that the PSP2 will be technologically superior to the 3DS. But I highly doubt that will help it to sell - Nintendo are an established family favourite now, and the 3DS is going to ride on that success to sell in the millions - and technology really doesn't matter to me at least. I'll be looking solely at what games are on offer.

You won the thread and only furthered my point, which you seemed to grasp immediately~

The PSP2 is rumored to be as powerful as the PS3, though it's probably going to be even more expensive than the 3DS. So, pick your poison. Oh and Squid, OOT has been re-recycled to death at this point. let's see, it was released on the N64, re-released with Majora's Mask, put on the VC for the Wii and now it's being put on the 3DS. I'd say that's more than once.

That enough "effort" put into my post?

 

[Squid]

OOT Has only been sold on the wii through the wii store :S I don't really think thats counted as you can get all the old school games from the wii store....I could say the exact same thing about FF7.

OOT is being REMADE on the 3DS which is new and exciting for fans.
OOT has never been remade, had a movie made on it or an actual sequel and yet you're acting like its been over done to death...its just an old game thats available to buy off all consoles IF you want it and now its being remade.

 

[Ohri-Jin]

To answer the OP's question: YES

For me personally I want better specs..I rather pay more money (even WAY more) for something thats actually has pretty damn good quality!

PSP2 rumours as of now:

- Twice as much RAM as Xbox360
- As powerfull as a freeking PS3


Downsides..major downsides:

- Expensive as shit..probably as expensive as a freeking PS3
- Battery life perhaps even worse than of the 3DS




Im sorry but im not going to buy a piece of shit handheld that goes dead/empty after3-5 hours..

3-5 hours is peanuts !

Especially on these types of newer handhelds which can perhaps sustain longer games...longer games which takes longer time to finish...


Seriously you know how bad it is your AC adapter being plugged in non stop..
It will kill your Batttery for sure...it gets too hot as well..

Like with laptops...I hate that shit.....

Who knows when to replace the battery...and how much it costs...



Yes they should always do Backwardscompatible or it would be just mean and dirty if they dont give that option.

Also IF I would buy a new generation handheld (which I never bought except original GameBoy and Advance) I would also use it for music and movies..

Otherwise why would I spend so much money for a freeking handheld..

I want better specs cuz that would mean better games..I never liked nintendo kiddy approach that much tbh...some like it but I dont

So PSP2 maybe...but I doubt it..those downsides will be too severe..


Its only speculating at this point, but lets be realistic people..dont be naive and bubbly about it...

 

[Kelranox]

To answer the OP's question: YES

For me personally I want better specs..I rather pay more money (even WAY more) for something thats actually has pretty damn good quality!

PSP2 rumours as of now:

- Twice as much RAM as Xbox360
- As powerfull as a freeking PS3


Downsides..major downsides:

- Expensive as shit..probably as expensive as a freeking PS3
- Battery life perhaps even worse than of the 3DS




Im sorry but im not going to buy a piece of shit handheld that goes dead/empty after3-5 hours..

3-5 hours is peanuts !

Especially on these types of newer handhelds which can perhaps sustain longer games...longer games which takes longer time to finish...


Seriously you know how bad it is your AC adapter being plugged in non stop..
It will kill your Batttery for sure...it gets too hot as well..

Like with laptops...I hate that shit.....

Who knows when to replace the battery...and how much it costs...



Yes they should always do Backwardscompatible or it would be just mean and dirty if they dont give that option.

Also IF I would buy a new generation handheld (which I never bought except original GameBoy and Advance) I would also use it for music and movies..

Otherwise why would I spend so much money for a freeking handheld..

I want better specs cuz that would mean better games..I never liked nintendo kiddy approach that much tbh...some like it but I dont

So PSP2 maybe...but I doubt it..those downsides will be too severe..


Its only speculating at this point, but lets be realistic people..dont be naive and bubbly about it...

Someone else that looks beyond the gimmicks and actually cares about the money in their wallet. I do like Nintendo, but at this point they're just money grubbing on a whole new level. I'm probably going to buy an old school PSP for the two games I do want to play on it and at that price, it's worth it. The PSP2 and the 3DS, however? Pft.

 

[Gingerbread Lesbian]

I call bullshit on the PSP2 being as powerful as the PS3, I think there's something misleading about it or something they should be telling us. A £250 handheld simply doesn't sit well with buyers, this was my massive issue with the PSPGo, the PS3 was only £20 more at one point. Neither do I think they could significantly reduce the price and size of the PS3 to come out like the PSP2. That said, the 3DS doesn't particularly interest me either, even though the 3D is optional. 3D isn't something new anymore, it doesn't excite me.

I doubt I'll get either since I'm not really a handheld person, but I'd end up going for the 3DS.

 

[Kelranox]

I call bullshit on the PSP2 being as powerful as the PS3, I think there's something misleading about it or something they should be telling us. A £250 handheld simply doesn't sit well with buyers, this was my massive issue with the PSPGo, the PS3 was only £20 more at one point. Neither do I think they could significantly reduce the price and size of the PS3 to come out like the PSP2. That said, the 3DS doesn't particularly interest me either, even though the 3D is optional. 3D isn't something new anymore, it doesn't excite me.

I doubt I'll get either since I'm not really a handheld person, but I'd end up going for the 3DS.

I doubt it will parallel the PS3 in power. Even so, the obvious point to make is how expensive it will be. However, no matter how expensive it's going to be, people will only compare that price to the 3DS and will choose whichever is cheapest, without actually analyzing their flaws. I'll get a 3DS, however I'll be acquiring a much better version later on, even after it's price has dropped also. We're so obsessed with instant gratification that we can't be patient and save money.

 

[Martel]

OOT Has only been sold on the wii through the wii store :S I don't really think thats counted as you can get all the old school games from the wii store....I could say the exact same thing about FF7.

OOT is being REMADE on the 3DS which is new and exciting for fans.
OOT has never been remade, had a movie made on it or an actual sequel and yet you're acting like its been over done to death...its just an old game thats available to buy off all consoles IF you want it and now its being remade.

You could, and you'd be right. FFVII also needs to die. Together with OOT, they are the most overrated games in existence that are constantly being milked for all they're worth.

In any case, it HAS been done to death. It's been ported to every damn Nintendo console since it's release (excluding the handhelds, obviously) and it's really putting me off. I highly doubt it will be a remake - more like a graphically enhanced port, simply because Nintendo don't need to do anything else to get it to sell. It feels like Nintendo don't have any faith in their new handheld and are resorting to bringing the overrated fan favourite onto it to ensure that it will sell. If Nintendo have that little faith in the 3DS, it doesn't exactly inspire any confidence in me.

With any other developer, you could argue that they're showing off the console's technological ability by porting something like that, but since when have graphics been important to Nintendo? With Nintendo, it has ALWAYS been about gameplay. That argument just doesn't sit right. As I said, it's obvious that the PSP2 will be technologically superior to the 3DS - when it comes to technology, Nintendo just can't compete. Nintendo's competetive ability lies in their ability to make enjoyable games, and the accessibility of their consoles to the casual market.

Focusing on the games of a console over it's tech is all well and good, but when it's games like OOT, for which there is no reason to remake or port or whatever other than them being obvious gold mines and incentives to buy, it makes you wonder what Nintendo are trying to draw attention away from. Given that the 3DS is essentially a DS with a half-arsed 3D gimmick, slightly enhanced visuals, and a couple of other gimmicks that are totally unneccessary to make good quality games, it suggests to me that no effort whatsoever has been put into the 3DS' design, and that there is nothing there to justify the high price they'll set for it.

The 3DS doesn't inspire confidence for another reason, as well: it's hardly up to Nintendo's standard. Compare the Gamecube with the Wii, and the GBA with the DS. They were totally unexpected and highly innovative. The innovation gap between the DS and the 3DS is unbelievably minimal. A 3D version of the DS? Seriously? It feels like Nintendo are losing their innovative momentum, and are falling back on remakes and ports to generate sales. It's what I would expect from any other developer. Not Nintendo.

I'm waiting for Nintendo to prove me wrong about the 3DS by bringing out some good quality games, not half-arsed remakes and ports of tired old games that have already been done to death. At the moment, in my opinion, they have yet to do so - the launch line-up for Japan has to be the worst launch line-up I've ever seen. Nothing on the horizon strikes me as original. Nothing unexpected. Coming from Nintendo, it's extremely disappointing. I've learned not to underestimate Nintendo - after all, nobody expected the DS or Wii to be any good, either - which is why I haven't completely given up hope, but at the moment...it's not promising.

So, linking this back to the original question: it won't make a difference if the PSP2 is superior to the 3DS and, for many people, it isn't going to affect their decision as to whether or not they'll buy it. Short of bringing out an enhanced port or remake of FFVII, the huge majority of "hardcore" gamers at least will go for the 3DS, just because it has those "classic" games on it. So what if it's more powerful? It doesn't have the overrated fan favourites on it. That, with the probably price difference, will mean that the PSP2 gets almost entirely ignored...much the same as the PSP was.

 

[Gingerbread Lesbian]

Also, just to throw it out there, if we go on the basis that the PSP2 being as powerful as the PS3 is true, I'd argue that it's bad business. All it would do is make the casual market choose the PSP2 OR the PS3 since they could essentially do the same things. It's pointless rivaling two of your own products off against each other.