Pedophilia: The Next Legitimate Minority?

as if it's a mutual decision of both parties (like most relationships are.)
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Thats right channi.............children and adults are not equall.

Physically.Mentally.Emotionally.Legally

Not Equals, these are the kinds of people who have to have "relationships" with children because they are in capable of forging lasting and meaningful relationships with Adults.
Relationships are between to equals people, what these.............Fuckers! do is Oppression,subjugation and manipulation of children who cannot defend themselves.
 
I believe that instead of having a minimum age, they should have a maximum age. Like 5 years difference. Someone who is 15 can date someone who is 20. Accordingly, a 16 year old can be with someone who is 21. Of course, if they are both over 17, it doesn't matter.

The whole being 25 dating a 15 year old is absurd. It's quite obvious that infatuation is being mistaken for.. whatever. So if you aren't living in a third world country, you should just stick to this general morality as it will be the best for you and.. whoever.

This isn't exactly a kind world we live in. As soon as it's allowed for 14 year old's to lope with adults, people will get raped all day everyday.
 
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I think it's impossible to express, for definite, whether a grown adult will legally be allowed to have an open relationship with younger children because it depends on the situation becoming normative and morally accepted by the general public to be even considered to be allowed in the eyes of the law. For example, before 1991 it was legal to rape within a marriage and it was considered a social norm before RvR (1991) even though 19 years later people will be disgusted at the thought. The problem lies in that, it's essentially Law vs. Morals; the law dictates that a child cannot be given the right to consent before the age of 16 and although moral values tend to reflect the law, should they change in the future, because of the nature of law, it would take many, many years for the law to change if the general public decide a grown adult can have a relationship with a younger child.

Personally, I don't want it to happen because I think it's quite disturbing and neither do I believe that a younger child has the right mental capacity to know what exactly they're consenting to. That being said, the law isn't a strict as people like to believe, I watched a court sentencing a few weeks back and a man of around 40 consistently engaged in "activities" with a child from the ages of 7-10 for 3 years, was convicted of 6 counts of indecent assault and 1 count of attempted rape and will serve no more than two years in prison.

Who knows. :dave:


In the short term, the answer would be no. No form of paedophilia is accepted by the general public, no matter how small it is. In the long term, it entirely depends on moral and social values.
 
Sum1sgruj said:
However, I believe that instead of having a minimum age, they should have a maximum age. Like 5 years difference. Someone who is 15 can date someone who is 20. Accordingly, a 16 year old can be with someone who is 21. Of course, if they are both over 17, it doesn't matter.
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They're called Romeo and Juliet laws, and most states have some version of one on the books. Most of them allow a three year difference.
 
Personally I'm old school as far as relationships go in general. I thankfully didn't have any serious relationships between the years of 16-18 but then I couldn't really imagine anything before the year of 16 either. I had some platonic relationships, hugging, kissing.. etc.. but sexual, no sir.

From my point of view, when an older man/woman puts their hands on a kiddo, or tries to rationalize starting a relationship with one of them.. well you have to take a lot of things into mind psychologically.

Mental

Mental Growth for one. When you are in a serious relationship of any kind you have your strong ups and downs every now and again. You sometimes let stuff slip like grades, chores, and work habits when you're significant other is either upset or you are in a fight. Putting a kid through this at such an early age means instead of concentrating on schooling and playing/interacting with other kids, they are being mentally handicapped by an adult. Their socially offset as well both. If the slightest mention of so called relationship were linked, they would most definitely be out-casted from any social grouping. As well their ability to socially interact is essential to their development otherwise, they will either have social anxiety and/or be a sociopath one day.

Physical

I don't have to tell you what I think about this, because it's personally wrong on so many levels to me.

1) Man to Boy relationship

To be honest this occurs more often these days than not with these "situations". You take Michael Jackson for instance, the dude slept with little boys and only got away with it because of his wealth and fame. Otherwise he would be just another "Pederass" (Big Lebowski).

Physically the boys mature a bit later in puberty during this time; and to go along with this, they go through an ass load of changes (not more than ladies, but still). Physically if the man is attracted to a boy, what happens when the boy grows up? Does the man just call it off? Seriously, there is nothing I can think that can legalize this here in the states.

2) Man to Girl relationship

Although in today's age this is more of a common occurrence, to me this is ethically twice as bad as the above. For one thing women got through (just like men) chemically inductions in which the following occurs: Acne, Ovulation, Chest development, and Growth Spurts. So even before all this in my head, it's just... well a little boyish features. Only thing that's different is the face and one other thing. I even feel a bit sickly talking about to he quite honest.

Hitting back on the emotional side one more time for this as far as girls go. They have a lot more growing to do than boys. Their identifications are often times skewed, because they do in fact over identify with their father. So for an older man to come around, what's to say this is not on the same "ethical" level as dating her father. If I were that father I would be choking a dude. Though we all know as soon as the girl is 18 it's okay for a 60 year to date one.. :ffs:. All I can say is.. we are a socially effed up humanity.. period.

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So in closing, No I don't think it will ever be socially accepted here in the states. True homosexuality was, but there is more to argue with than just "I'm attracted to little boys and little girls". These kids don't have any nay say. They are confused, and typically when everything is said and done with they are socially offset.
 
Terrible Terry Tate said:
There is a huge.... HUGE difference between Pedophilia and homosexuality. Pedophilia is an emotionally traumatizing and scarring event, perpetuated by an adult upon an underage victim that is incapable of fully understanding the ramifications of what they are having done to them. Homosexuality is a sexual preference that is biologically driven, and manifests between two adults, or between two teenagers/young adults of a similar age group.
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You beat me to this arguement. I'll add on this by saying a child is not a consenting individual, whereas with homosexuality, both are adults, even though 2 same sex adults in a relationship was frowned upon as recently as the 90's. Naturally, the younger folks on the forum haven't thought this far into life just yet. But consider that you have children, how would you feel if adults were having sex with them? It's easier to shrug it off if it's not your own child, but I'm almost positive you wouldn't want someone having sex with them. If your child was in legal consent age and having a homosexual relationship with someone else of a legal consent age, then at least you know they are both responsible enough to make their own decisions, even if it isn't of the normal societal means (aka heterosexual).

Channizard said:
Well if we're bringing Geography into this... :monster:

All of Canada is the same, the US seems to vary all over the place (God damn, make up your mind?) but I'm actually shocked at the 'no law' blacked out part of the world... Where is that?
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Well, there are some quirks with the US law on legal consent age. If one is 16-18 years old, they can have a legal relationship with someone who's up to 18-21 years old. Once a person is 18, they're always legal to have a relationship with someone else 18 or older. Anything under 16 is illegal, no matter what the state. If I have to guess, I'd say that some of those states are 18 and older only to do away with that quirk of 16-18. This way it's just legal when you're 18 or older. On a side note, some of those countries that are 12 years old or less, is just creepy, in my opinion.


Bottom line, it's disturbing if an adult wants to have sex with a child. No child has enough smarts to make a choice as potentially damaging as having sex with someone. They don't understand enough about sex in general to be able to make a fair assessment on choosing to have sex. A child can't make a legit choice about it. Even younger teenagers still have a lot of mental developing to do. If a person wants to have sex with children, then there is a serious disconnect in their head. Having sex with other adults, regardless of what sex they are, is acceptable, but having sex with children is not.
 
Alright, I want to pose a question and separate child from pre-teen. I've seen shows (this this episode for example) where a pre-teen, anywhere from 9-12 will argue with the prosecution that they were consenting to the relationship. They were 'aware' of what was going on, and that so and so didn't brain wash them or force them into doing anything.

Of course these 'relationships' soon dropped once they reached puberty, but they were convinced that it was for a great good.. protecting them from their parents, society, etc.

I'm trying to spin this, less away from minors and children and closer to young adults on the verge of puberty. Does it make it any less bad? Will that be accepted someday? (It always has in some cases by the looks of that 12 on the map) And if that becomes accepted, do you think it'll open the doors for full blown pedophilia?

Because if part of it becomes okay (I'm not saying it will and this is a very very blurred line, I realize, but it's just an example) that some 12 year olds are in relationships with adults, for however little amount of time... don't you think it may just blow the doors open?
 
I don't think 9 - 12 yr olds are counted as 'near adults' they're hardly even teens yet. I feel disgusted thinking about 16 yr olds having sex with people over 18 let alone a 9 yr old.
Also kids who argue that they are 'in love' and want to be in the relationship are most likely brainwashed by the adult. Why wouldn't the adult try to convince the kid that they're in love in case they got caught and since when does a 12 yr old even know what the meaning of love is.

I can't imagine a 9 - 15 yr old having sex with anyone let alone an adult. Adult figures are there to trust, not to deceive and manipulate so they get to fulfill their creepy fantasies.
 
Let's put it this way. would a 9-12 year old really be attracted to someone 30+ let alone someone in their 40s, 50s, 60s, and older? No they would much rather have someone young.

And people, children and adults, who have been captured are often abused and brainwashed into thinking that they are in love with the person. They also come out with severe trauma and experience behaviors such as thinking an organization is out to kill them, that they are bad and hell bound and their kidnapper is out to save them, that yelling, screaming, and hitting is a normal part of a relationship.

Typically people over the age of 18 are interested in people their own age with their own maturity. I'd think that a well functioning adult would be come very annoyed by a 9-12 year old.
 
Channizard said:
Alright, I want to pose a question and separate child from pre-teen. I've seen shows (this this episode for example) where a pre-teen, anywhere from 9-12 will argue with the prosecution that they were consenting to the relationship. They were 'aware' of what was going on, and that so and so didn't brain wash them or force them into doing anything.

Of course these 'relationships' soon dropped once they reached puberty, but they were convinced that it was for a great good.. protecting them from their parents, society, etc.

I'm trying to spin this, less away from minors and children and closer to young adults on the verge of puberty. Does it make it any less bad? Will that be accepted someday? (It always has in some cases by the looks of that 12 on the map) And if that becomes accepted, do you think it'll open the doors for full blown pedophilia?

Because if part of it becomes okay (I'm not saying it will and this is a very very blurred line, I realize, but it's just an example) that some 12 year olds are in relationships with adults, for however little amount of time... don't you think it may just blow the doors open?
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No.

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But really, I just don't think it'll ever become acceptable conduct in the mainstream of society. You may have the rare instance where a 11 or 12 year old is mature enough to handle a sexual relationship (although I would argue against that ever happening), but the vast, vast, vast majority are not. They're still kids, in every sense of the word.
 
Those that are kidnapped or restricted by their "lover" can develop Stockholm Syndrome. Basically, they develop an attachment to their captor because they have that connection with nobody but this lover, when they don't have the maturity or the idea that this is wrong, because an adult, usually a role model in the child's life, is telling them that this is OK.

But it's not. It's abusive. It's wrong. And it's damaging. And why should such an act, which has proved to be scarring, become legal? Any attempt to lower the age after it's gone up has failed miserably, as Jesse's evidence confirmed.
 
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