Outrage as American mum-to-be uses Twitter and YouTube to chronicle her abortion.

[The Illusive Man]

Story From Daily Mail Online:

A mother of a four-year-old son with special needs who accidentally fell pregnant again has decided to broadcast her abortion ordeal.

American Angie Jackson has shared her experience of terminating the pregnancy via Twitter, YouTube and her own personal blog.

The 27-year-old discovered her IUD, a contraceptive device placed in the uterus, had failed on February 13th. See has since taken RU-486, commonly known as the abortion pill.

She claims she is doing this to help other women who are thinking of going through with the same thing.

'I had made a decision when my son was born to try to not get pregnant again, and if that failed I'd planned that I would get an abortion if I needed one,' she said.

On her YouTube video, Jackson added: 'I’m doing this so other women know, ‘Hey, it’s not nearly as terrifying as I had myself worked up thinking it was.’ It’s just not that bad.'

Using the Twitter account 'antitheistangie', Jackson said: 'Cramps are getting a bit more persistent,' followed later by 'Definitely bleeding now.'

However the move has angered some people who have labelled her a 'whore' who 'can't keep her legs closed.' Her family have also received threats.

'I’ve just been astonished by the level of hatred and death threats and threats of violence against my son. It’s been a very ugly side of people to see,'

Jeanne Monahan, the director of the Family Research Council in the US wrote: 'Supporting her decision to abort her baby unintentionally does a grave injustice to Angie, her unborn child, her son and even her boyfriend.

'Abortion kills one person and wounds at least one additional person.'

The Article itself can be found Here

Personally I'm both shocked and appauled that people would respond in such a way, its utterly disgusting that some people would behave in such a manner in this day and age, even if broadcasting such a thing isnt exactly a clever thing to do.

Lets hear your views.

 

[DeadFantasy]

I do agree. It is a bit silly to say it openly that you had an abortion and quite stupid. But either way, people should respect others decisions. I mean, it's not their choice it's hers. It's not like it's effecting them in anyway. I say it's a stupid reason to openly say it because there is those that disagree. Abortion is a weird topic for me. Overall though, it's the person's decision. It's a bit ridiculous that people would send 'death threats' like really? Oh she had an abortion like killing her is basically the same concept, no? It just isn't right.

I personally (if I were to become pregnant) wouldn't have an abortion but that's just me.

One thing though that irritates me is that she said she didn't want to have another baby. I mean there's a thing called birthcontrol! Like if you don't want a child then try using that or getting your tubes tied etc. That part, just doesn't make sense to me and makes me mad. Because if she did that in the first place, none of this would've happened.

 

[Saints&Storms]

Seems like she did this to get some sort of reaction out of people, I mean seriously chronicling your abortion to the people? Isn't the right thing to do personally, I mean she has basically opened the doors for every one to know about her abrtion -- supporters or people who are against it.

This could enrage people who are pro life and bring on an onslaught of hatred for her and her family in my opinion this was the most stupid decision for her to make for herself.

I do agree. It is a bit silly to say it openly that you had an abortion and quite stupid. But either way, people should respect others decisions. I mean, it's not their choice it's hers. It's not it's effecting them in anyway. I say it's a stupid reason to openly say it because there is those that disagree. Abortion is a weird topic for me. Overall though, it's the person's decision. It's a bit ridiculous that people would send 'death threats' like really? Oh she had an abortion like killing her is basically the same concept, no? It just isn't right.

What else would she expect? Its one thing to say 'Oh I am pro choice' and its another to say 'I am going to be aborting a baby and shouting it to the world' its like provoking them isn't it?

 

[Rydia]

Out of curiosity, why did she want to abort her second child. I know her first child had special needs, but that doesn't mean that the second child will. She could have had the chance to have a normal child. Did she just only want one child?

I don't know how I feel about her broadcasting this online. It seems more like an attention seeking thing to me. I mean, she had to know that this would be controversal.

 

[Marquis of Granby]

Attention seeking nonsense.

I know this is a British site but: http://www.mariestopes.org.uk/Womens_services/Abortion.aspx

I'm sure there are American ones that do the very same thing. If people want advice about that sort of thing I would HOPE they'd have the sense to go to someone who knew what they were talking about and not some YouTube/Twitter slapper who wants her 15 minutes of fame.

Blame the media for giving a shit about eejits like this.

 

[DeadFantasy]

What else would she expect? Its one thing to say 'Oh I am pro choice' and its another to say 'I am going to be aborting a baby and shouting it to the world' its like provoking them isn't it?

I get what your saying. And that's why I said that she should've kept it to herself and it was a stupid thing to say it openly. Of course there is going to be some that will be 'provoked' as you said. And I do think it's for attention. Well, she got it is all I can say.

 

[Linnaete]

Firstly, I can sort of see why she is chronicling this tale to raise awareness to other women about abortions - but honestly, this really isn't the wisest method to go about it. Anyway, why is it necessary to? If other women consider abortions and need help about it, they can simply seek for advice in other ways. They don't need an attention seeking individual to suddenly raise awareness for them.

Secondly - it kind of serves her right she has death threats. Of course I certainly don't agree that she should be lynched to death for this, but if she is being as attention seeking as this, there are always going to be a few crazy, radical, extreme pro-lifers around. Giving her death threats isn't right at all - it's just uncivilised, cowardly and pathetic.

Honestly, doing this spells controversy from a mile away. She had better be prepared for this, otherwise she has no one else to blame. As for my views on abortion, it slightly fluctuates at times.

 

[The Illusive Man]

Personally this kind of thing is mostly down to as Jimmeh put it, everyone wanting there 15 minutes of fame which is so easily done nowadays with things like youtube and twitter being universally accessable.

I also put a great deal of it down to people like Jade Goody, who documented her health decline with cancer, until her final weeks when the cameras finally stopped rolling.

Now the difference between the two is Jade Goody, albeit it being pretty much the same kind of thing, was suffering from Cancer, Cancer is something that none of us ever want to be diagnosed with, so its far easier for us to sympathise with a Cancer sufferer, so it was easier to see the good in it, and it did have a much welcomed after effect in that more women went for Cancer screening than there has ever been after the documentary was broadcast.

The American woman however was doing something that has always been a grey area in society, so it was much easier to see the negative side of things, documenting it came off as much more selfish and attention seeking than Goody as many people still disagree with abortions.

However I stand firm on the fact that it was her choice to make and she had already decided on it prior to falling pregnant, and it was because the precautions failed that she chose to abort the unborn child.

I still think documenting the whole thing was a stupid thing to do and will only create more harm than good, but this was her choice to make and to ridicule her for having the abortion only shows that society still has a lot of growing to do.

 

[.Ted]

I do agree that chronicling this entire ordeal is not the best way to go. It can give you attention, but not always -- and not necessarily -- the type of attention the person wants.

I do believe it's the person's choice to abort the child if they want, but trying to raise awareness about it will reel in the extreme pro-lifers so they can get their 15 minutes of fame. The attention-seeker gets attention, the pro-lifers voice their beliefs over and over. Everybody wins.

The death threats, of course, is just too much. Shows America hasn't changed much since the 1800s.

 

[King Sean]

If she is going to have an abortion, why would she chronicle it online? She must want her five minutes of online fame or something, or maybe she is looking for the right de-motivation. Either way, it is quite silly for her to broadcast such a thing on the internet.

 

[Linnaete]

The death threats, of course, is just too much. Shows America hasn't changed much since the 1800s.

That's too much of a strong generalisation, isn't it? To be fair, these death threats are most likely coming from only a small minority of the American population. Most Americans aren't like that - there have been huge changes to American society from the 1800s until now. Plus, stupid death threats have also happened in the UK as well, e.g. to Jedward during The X-Factor.

 

[.Ted]

That's too much of a strong generalisation, isn't it? To be fair, these death threats are most likely coming from only a small minority of the American population. Most Americans aren't like that - there have been huge changes to American society from the 1800s until now. Plus, stupid death threats have also happened in the UK as well, e.g. to Jedward during The X-Factor.

Sorry about that, I feel so ignorant right now. x.x

Perhaps I came off a little strong, but I just hate to see these people doing something as illogical as a death threat to prevent a woman from aborting her second child, something she planned to do anyway before it was even conceived. It shows they don't even care who they have to kill, just as long as they're welcomed as heroes in the end. They even threatened her first child, right? The one with the special needs? How sick can they be?

 

[Tmoo]

here's an interesting bit of tangentially relevant info - at any catholic/protestant church (not to single them out, but they are what i have experience with), priests will frequently and vehemently preach against the atrocities and supposed evilness of aborting an unborn child/fetus. no one speaks out against them, and if there are pro-choice people in the crowd, no one wants to speak up for fear of their lives (socially and literally). so when someone does decide to speak up, on the net or otherwise, everyone gets their underwear in a knot because suddenly their dominance over this controversial issue has been (in their eyes) challenged.

personally, i believe the more people speaking out about abortion, the better. the dominance of these kinds of issues held by organizations such as christianity is unnerving (not to mention, rather unfortunately, some priests attack science and demonize it, which i've seen first-hand during mass when i was younger). so, viewing the issue from that perspective, this woman's coverage of her abortion isn't so bad. (i'm not saying it's smart though)

 

[Donald Trump]

That's too much of a strong generalisation, isn't it? To be fair, these death threats are most likely coming from only a small minority of the American population. Most Americans aren't like that - there have been huge changes to American society from the 1800s until now. Plus, stupid death threats have also happened in the UK as well, e.g. to Jedward during The X-Factor.

The Jedward death threats are hardly the same, no one was ever goin to kill them. Whereas there is still a significant proportion of Americans who fall in to the right wing religious fuck up category. And in that amount of people you have people who do murder doctors who preform abortions and do blow up abortion clinics. They're basically terrorists, except terrorists obviously can't be white.

Secondly - it kind of serves her right she has death threats. Of course I certainly don't agree that she should be lynched to death for this, but if she is being as attention seeking as this, there are always going to be a few crazy, radical, extreme pro-lifers around. Giving her death threats isn't right at all - it's just uncivilised, cowardly and pathetic.

Whut?
I think she should have been prepared for them, but that's not the same as deserving them.

Blame the media for giving a shit about eejits like this.

Don't blame the media, they do what they have to do in order to attract consumers. It's the public's fault. Obviously I've not read the link, who knows what viruses one can get from the Daily Mail, but I assume the dregs of society that congregate there probably couldn't help themselves from posting.

I don't particularly care that some woman is telling the world about the process of having an abortion. I think the more information the better, but realistically I don't think it really matters. She probably makes some money from the thing so good for her.

 

[Serah]

I'm going to put out a quick reminder here to please not be so quick to trash and insult Americans. While I understand that this woman IS an American, it doesn't mean that all Americans are like this. We have many American members on the forum, myself being one, and I'd really rather not see us all being grouped into any stereotypes or generalizations. It is very rude and insulting to us. Thank you.

 

[.Ted]

I'm going to put out a quick reminder here to please not be so quick to trash and insult Americans. While I understand that this woman IS an American, it doesn't mean that all Americans are like this. We have many American members on the forum, myself being one, and I'd really rather not see us all being grouped into any stereotypes or generalizations. It is very rude and insulting to us. Thank you.

Sorry you feel that way, I practically started grouping them together. It's just that ignorance in this country usually comes from the citizens themselves. It happens so many times, the least they could do is say they can't help themselves.

They way I see it (just this case), it's like they're saying "We're right, you're wrong. Even if you think you're right, WE believe you're not." Of course, it doesn't come from every one of you. But Americans sure do leave a hell of a first impression, don't you think? Again, I apologize for all the ill things I have said and might have implied against Americans.

 

[Rydia]

Sorry you feel that way, I practically started grouping them together. It's just that ignorance in this country usually comes from the citizens themselves. It happens so many times, the least they could do is say they can't help themselves.

They way I see it (just this case), it's like they're saying "We're right, you're wrong. Even if you think you're right, WE believe you're not." Of course, it doesn't come from every one of you. But Americans sure do leave a hell of a first impression, don't you think? Again, I apologize for all the ill things I have said and might have implied against Americans.

Yeah but it's not just American's that are like that. I have talked to and even met people from other countries who are just like you describe. It's a personality type and it's unrealistic to believe that it is just people in America that act that way.

Ah thread is off topic!!!! D:

 

[Valvalis]

In all honesty I think the bottom line here is really that they need to develop more accurate methods of birth control, or people need to just take the ones with higher success rates. (Personally I don't see how some inserted device can be more reliable than an oral pill that just dissolves into your body, but that's just me.) Really--if people who don't want kids were completely unable to get pregnant under any circumstances, they wouldn't need abortions and thus wouldn't receive death threats from said religious zealots (who, curiously, seem to be worshipping a version of God that wants the world to get overpopulated and die ). And conversely, I'd be willing to bet a large number of those zealots' children are unwanted "surprises" that could've been prevented, thus saving the family a very substantial amount of money (18 yrs worth of food = $$$) and thus making life easier for their other children. (Hmm, guess it's obvious which side I'm on right? )

Anyway, I'm not surprised to see something like this on the internet. I've never really looked at the Twitter site but I'm sure people let everyone know about pretty much anything on there by now--burping, nose-picking, wedgies, etc. I think a lot of people just enjoy exhibiting themselves and the web is now rife with outlets for it.

Yeah but it's not just American's that are like that. I have talked to and even met people from other countries who are just like you describe. It's a personality type and it's unrealistic to believe that it is just people in America that act that way.

By the way, I'm (technically) American, and I'm totally not insulted. I know there are lots of dumb people in this country, and to disagree with that is to turn a blind eye. Hell, the country was founded via gratuitous genocide, after all, and then they kept people enslaved for hundreds of years just because they looked different. Honestly, what the fuck?

 

[blakstang98]

By the way, I'm (technically) American, and I'm totally not insulted. I know there are lots of dumb people in this country, and to disagree with that is to turn a blind eye. Hell, the country was founded via gratuitous genocide, after all, and then they kept people enslaved for hundreds of years just because they looked different. Honestly, what the fuck?

Do remember that there are other countries far worse than the good ol' US of A. We're also one of the most lenient countries for racial diversity, actually. Sure, there are things in American history we're not all proud of, but we're really not a bad country by any means.

Anyways, on topic. This is the era of blogs and vlogs and such. People can and will post anything they want to, legally. I don't know who this lady is and quite frankly I don't care. I'm not a blog reader of a vlog viewer, so it doesn't matter to me. Some will post things that are controversial, like this, some may be even more controversial than this. Considering how much of a hot topic abortion is, she obviously knew it would rattle some cages, so it was either to get attention (like McTwinny said) or to make some kind of statement about her support of abortion. Either way, it's her choice to post whatever she wants to on the internet. Does it have an effect on any of us, in the big picture? Absolutely not. So it's easy for me to just let her thoughts roll off my back without making me agitated.

 

[Serah]

By the way, I'm (technically) American, and I'm totally not insulted. I know there are lots of dumb people in this country, and to disagree with that is to turn a blind eye. Hell, the country was founded via gratuitous genocide, after all, and then they kept people enslaved for hundreds of years just because they looked different. Honestly, what the fuck?

Just for the record, Gamingway, I've not seen a single person disagree that there ARE dumb people in this country. This thread proves right there that there are stupid people here. I was referring to all of the people who live in America. We're not all stupid enough to do shit like that and it's insulting to group us with those who are when there are those of us who aren't. It's no different in any other country either. Every country has really fucking stupid people in them. It's called humanity. It's not just America.