Member/Mod Middleman

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Well on one hand it's not really Darkblade's duty to patrol from topic to topic. Upon request he does make changes in the ACP or have people with specialties in coding or whatnot make them for him. But although this is his site and he does own it, often times he simply just makes sure that the people and applications he's put in place to run the site correctly are working properly. In other words, he seems to have taken more of a supervisory role. And that's not to say he doesn't do anything, he does... a lot. He oversees this whole damn site... but a lot of the time he orchestrates what occurs here, not actually affects it hands on.

Secondly, there are a lot of these topics that moderators, admins, and DB do read through but don't reply to. I'm sure you either haven't seen them reading the topics or they are invisible.
 
So going by that judgement, DB is merely a Tech Admin, as is Belazor and that leaves BustaMo as our sole Admin, without full ACP access? I'm sure it's obvious where the problem lies there. And even if that isn't true, DB has been AWOL for several weeks now. I'm actually concerned for the well being of this site, and I think that if the Site Owner doesn't even bother to tell staff that he isn't going to be active, then there's severe problems within the ranks.

And I'm sure that staff do read these threads, in fact I'm positive of it, given that the majority of the time they bother posting. It's worrying that no matter how simple a suggestion is, and how little time it takes for it to be implemented, more often than not, nothing actually happens.

Obviously, the suggestion of a middleman or men would kick the staff into action to get something done.

But I have to ask; why do you have a problem with a person, or people, being given the power to tell the mods what the member populace wants?
 
As far as your comment about Darkblade, that's completely wrong. He is the owner of the site. It is his money, his resources, his blood, sweat, and tears that go into making this site run. Your allowed to dislike him or his policies but he is ultimately the owner of the site. He is the boss, period. So please don't downplay his role on here because he is the one who really does make all the changes you guys are begging for right now... so it's probably not in your best interest to bitch about him, eh?

As for the last part of your post, I do believe I said I was on the fence... and that I would rather just have those type of suggestions either made in this forum or via PM.
 
Aztec Triogal said:
I'm not sure that's really necessary considering that we have this forum. Not to mention it's not like mods are really different from members other than a few key details. We still talk to members just as we would if we were one ourselves.
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Not exactly 'on the fence.'

I'm not undermining DB here. I understand perfectly that he is the owner of the forum. But the way you described it, suggested that he is does the same duties as a Tech Admin. Which we already have.
 
My, my! I think this is a wonderful idea! Considering that 70% of the members tend to have a personal agenda against at least 1 of the staff members; there's always some tension that ensues from mod-member interaction. Allowing the members to elect a team of middle-men would give them a fair choice. Let the members negotiate with a person who they actually LIKE and RESPECT.

You can't force everyone to like the staff, it'll never happen. =x
 
Aztec Triogal said:
As for the last part of your post, I do believe I said I was on the fence... and that I would rather just have those type of suggestions either made in this forum or via PM.
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In my expererience, it's real nice to have the Webmaster/Owner person around the site. Most of them sit back, give the FTP and ACP to the staff and make munnies off their site and rarely login.

As Pooley said, we're not undermining him, but he hasn't been active to post anything in ages and that he does preform the duties of a Tech Admin. It's not that we're ungrateful for the features added to the site, but it'd be nice if he wasn't such a stranger in his own domain.
 
It seems from your posts Aztec that you're downplaying DB's role on this forum more than Pooley is by saying that he's taken on a more supervisory role nowadays. But Pooley has brought up a valid concern for the forums about why doesn't the other Admin have ACP access when DB is away. With more people with that power then we don't have to rely on one person and small changes can be made quicker and smoother.
 
I agree with Rhea.
All members dont suspect the staff of listioning to their complaints. So maybe having the members pick three or so members they believe is the most respected, and likely to get stuff done for them is a good idea. The only way I see this causeing drama is if the staff ignore them therefore ignoreing what the members want as a whole. And that there would be a problem in it self.
It won't hurt to try it out.
Edit wrong thread someone move to thread about adding a middle men, please
kthx.
 
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Just to stray away from the subject at hand here, but in light of all these Drama threads popping up everywhere i think that a Member/Mod middleman would be perfect, as the middleman could take these complaints directly to the mods without having to get everyone involved...
 
This idea of having a middleman is going around because people think that the current staff are not paying much attention to them, in all seriousness would it make much difference having members elected to take in all the complaints to then forward to staff?

All that's going to happen is these people are going to get caught up in the middle with members complaining about problems or why they haven't had a reply and then they'll have to constantly PM or whatever to staff for answers.

A better solution if the staff aren't doing their jobs to everyones satisfaction is to either replace those particular staff members or to bring in more that would actually do something.
 
Scrutator said:
This idea of having a middleman is going around because people think that the current staff are not paying much attention to them, in all seriousness would it make much difference having members elected to take in all the complaints to then forward to staff?

All that's going to happen is these people are going to get caught up in the middle with members complaining about problems or why they haven't had a reply and then they'll have to constantly PM or whatever to staff for answers.

A better solution if the staff aren't doing their jobs to everyones satisfaction is to either replace those particular staff members or to bring in more that would actually do something.
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Again as ever you speak the truth.

Why would a middleman help? There's a reason why alot of TV Adverts say there are NO MIDDLEMEN because they're useless or cause more problems in general.

The problem isn't that the staff aren't doing their job, they are doing their job, but they're also abusing their power and handing out needless infractions and taking personal opinions into account when they hand them out. For example if they don't like you using a particular word, and other members and moderators don't give a DAMN. Or if a moderator doesn't like a member and is just itching to give an infraction for whatever reason.

If that happens, simple solution, take it to another moderator and get them to reverse it, DAMN that was a fucking challenge wasn't it, I've done it myself only if I think it was unreasonable. Some of you are just bitter.

Or is there something I'm not picking up on, is it another one of those things you children are pussy footing around?
 
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I actually do read most of what goes on in the Feedback and Suggestion forum, as I know the other staffer's do as well.

Most of the time though, when I say I'm going to 'bring something up in the staff section', I really do bring it up in the staff section, because there isn't anything else I can do except promise members that I'll at least bring it up. But like Rhea and several other members have said, it usually doesn't go beyond that. We talk, most of the staff will say yay or nay on the subject, but it doesn't matter anyway, cause no one can do shit without DB's permission so.............yay.


Oh, and to those of you who say that DB just hands over ACP access to everyone higher up, and then just sits back and lets them take care of it, I'd like to also point out, again, that Global Mods on this site don't have ACP access. Cause that's the kind of world FFF is. So....if it seems like the GM's, aren't paying attention to you, or aren't doing what you think they should be doing........yeah x2.


So, on this particular forum, I think it would be nice to have a 'member rep' system. It may.....do something useful.

Buuuuuut.....no one get your hearts broke if you never see it implemented. :monster:
 
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I don't think it was DB's idea to take ACP access away from Gmods. I swear to god, someone put that idea into his head.

And I'm willing to bet that your member rep system will never happen.
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Sorry Angel. :'(
 
I don't think it was DB's idea to take ACP access away from Gmods. I swear to god, someone put that idea into his head.

And I'm willing to bet that your member rep system will never happen.
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Sorry Angel.
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I swear there's a little gremlin that lives under DB's bed and gives him ideas :monster:

And I never expected it to come about really anyway to be honest xD I'm not the first one that brought it up here though :P I just backed it cause I thought it was a good idea.
 
Somebody did put that idea in his head. Frankly, I agree with not allowing Gmods access to the ACP.

Also, I think it is important that members feel free to PM any mod or admin when they have problems or suggestions. I do not like the rep idea. It is saying that members do not want to directly deal with staff.

I suggest everybody find a member of the staff and pm your problems and ideas to them. Of course, do not make a nuisance of yourself. A while back, I had a problem with a staff member on another forum. The staff member was actually harrassing me. I went directly to an admin about my problem. The admin handled my problem with the staff member. She actually agreed that the staff member was wrong in their actions. I also eventually became friendly with that admin. If I had not done that, I probably would of left the forum or got banned by the staff member causing me problems.

So the communication channels between members and staff need to be direct. A middle person would only make things more complicated. It would probably be much better to resolve any problems with a staff member with another member of the staff. Trust me, we are all just human. None of the staff have the power of Sephiroth or Chaos or any other evil bad guy from FF.
 
The point is, Koloth, that not every staff member is equally approachable as the next. So, with more confident and settled members involved in this, it could let the members voice concerns more clearly, and it stops the staff becoming paranoid that they are being unfair or are disliked. The member reps could even go to another person, if this is the case.
 
Riku said:
The point is, Koloth, that not every staff member is equally approachable as the next. So, with more confident and settled members involved in this, it could let the members voice concerns more clearly, and it stops the staff becoming paranoid that they are being unfair or are disliked. The member reps could even go to another person, if this is the case.
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There are staff that are easy to access. I am one of them. Why can't an existing member of the staff serve this purpose? To be honest, the communication issues could still happen with go betweens as well as staff.
 
No offense, but you're merely an RPG mod. You wouldn't be anywhere near the top of my list of people to contact. Though it is good to know that you're there.

Like I already said; some people feel intimidated by the power that a moderator holds over them, and therefore would feel more comfortable talking with a regular member rather than a staff member. These points could then be passed on by the middleman.
 
Shenorai said:
You're right. That was Saix's idea, if my memory serves me correctly.
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I'm fairly sure that the idea popped into DB's head right around when Belazor and Saix were promoted. If I recall correctly, Belazor had some say in it too.
 
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