Kitase: No FFVII remake project “yet,” play PSN release “for the time being”

[HighwindPilot]

As for Advent Children, that is a cash cow, no two ways about it, Square Enix blatantly knew what they were doing when they released a half arsed version before the Complete Version, if it weren't a cash cow they'd have released the Complete Version straight off, hell, they even threw an FFXIII demo in there so it would sell, and it gets better, they even made an FFVII PS3 model to go with it if you wanted, if you don't think that's whoring the film then you really do need to open your eyes.

=/ I've already conceded to the fact that AC was a culprit of it. When I wrote the initial response (some time between 1-2 AM), I looked at when it was released and really judged it based on that. It being the first Core addition after VII, an anniversary release; I wasn't sure if I could call it that. Between that, and the fact that they did leave FFVII as a kind of open-ended story (from a certain point of view), that was my basis. Tbh, I wasn't even thinking about ACC.

But yes, Advent Children was a culprit of whoring. Not just because of the included merch, but because the content as well. I mentioned this in other threads, but AC seemed set on achieving two things: Show off FFVII in the latest CG, and show Cloud vs Sephiroth in that CG. The rest just seemed like a shallow excuse to show those two things. ACC came out, and it was a lot better - but, it's true, they should've done that off the bat. I wasn't thinking about this much in my initial post last night, which is odd, because I've always advocated that it was a money sucker, ever since the fanboys in my 9th grade English class sat and worshiped it.

However, as I've said, based on this kind of thinking, Crisis Core wasn't really a culprit of that same kind of money ploy. For starters, it was a PSP release - no different from Versus XIII or Revenant Wings. If they were really trying to whore it, it would've gone straight to main console. Additionally, as much as I personally hated it, CC seemed like an honest attempt to bring Zack Fair to life and expand on what what we were told in VII.

And there really is no "looking at it altogether", because each is made with different intent, undergo different kind of releases, and each really stands as its own project. Are we really gonna group novellas and Last Order in the same category as AC and Dirge? No, because they aren't even whored or mainstream in comparison. To say it's all just a product of milking VII is ignoring the idea that the some of the writers and developers truly do love the story, and love exploring it. So, "as a whole", doesn't cut it at all.
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Take a look at the new remakes of Pokemon red/green. They are different now, not the same games.

0o... As a one time advent Pokemon player, and of FRLG in particular, I have to say this is sooo wrong.

FRLG was pretty much the same game as RBY, just with updates. The initial towns and maps - all the same. TR's HQ in Celadon - the same, The Safari Zone - the same. They made no real changes to any of the features like this, just updated the graphics. The battle system was the same, just with the updated quirks of Gen III pokemon, including new attacks. The rivalry - the same; even his quotes and timing were the same. The music - same scores, updated sounds. The "plot" (lol @ that) was the same, they didn't even add the Contests. Most of the actual "additions" were more like after-play things that were done to increase replay value. Lastly and perhaps most importantly, even with all the shit loads of new Pokemon from Gen II and III, they still went Kanto-only throughout. It was the same game, just, better.

If Square could do the same thing with FFVII, I'd be pretty damn proud.

 

[Terra Branford]

0o... As a one time advent Pokemon player, and of FRLG in particular, I have to say this is sooo wrong.

FRLG was pretty much the same game as RBY, just with updates. The initial towns and maps - all the same. TR's HQ in Celadon - the same, The Safari Zone - the same. They made no real changes to any of the features like this, just updated the graphics. The battle system was the same, just with the updated quirks of Gen III pokemon, including new attacks. The rivalry - the same; even his quotes and timing were the same. The music - same scores, updated sounds. The "plot" (lol @ that) was the same, they didn't even add the Contests. Most of the actual "additions" were more like after-play things that were done to increase replay value. Lastly and perhaps most importantly, even with all the shit loads of new Pokemon from Gen II and III, they still went Kanto-only throughout. It was the same game, just, better.
If Square could do the same thing with FFVII, I'd be pretty damn proud.

Are you kidding me? Seriously? Have you've played the original pokemon red/blue/green and yellow? There was too added things. In the original pokemon (lets say red) red, you had old Pokemon, but in the new version they gave the game Celibi or whatever its name is and Lugia! Even though they weren't in the old version! They changed the music, they changed the pokemon and their moves, they added many attacks, items, pokemon and secrets.
They changed the forest where Pichachu was at, they completely deformed the game! So, if you've ever even played Pokemon red, than you'd know this, but you didn't so you wouldn't know.
Pokemon had a better "plot" than VII and if the "plot" thing was to indicate that it didn't have a "plot", than you sir, are terribly wrong!

If SE remade the game, it would be different. But, seeing as you are a very, very, very, very, very, very die hard FFVII fan, you will never, never, never, never ever get it. You're extremely biased.

 

[HighwindPilot]

Are you kidding me? Seriously? Have you've played the original pokemon red/blue/green and yellow?

Obviously, or I'd have no basis of which to compare FRLG.

There was too added things.

Did I not admit to this? But the primary additions, apart from the "new feature" kind of stuff adapted from GSC or RSE, came as optional kind of "replay value".

In the original pokemon (lets say red) red, you had old Pokemon, but in the new version they gave the game Celibi or whatever its name is and Lugia! Even though they weren't in the old version!

Wtf. Have you even played FRLG? Celebi wasn't obtainable by any means other than trade. And Lugia, along with a few other legendaries, were added as part of an end-of-the-game bonus. In other words, it had no interference in the main line plot or play-through. They're the equivalent to "easter eggs".

The actual Pokemon obtainable throughout the journey were all the same ones from the initial RBY. They wouldn't even let you acquire their GSC evolutions (like say, Chancey-->Blissey) until after you went through loads of shit to get a National Dex. In doing so, it stayed true to the initial game, while letting you feel the new wave effects only after you've completed the story.

They changed the music

Sorry, but this is wrong:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxlLwGYNVGE - RBY Gym battle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I11fdeURWS8 - FRLG Gym battle

Exact same music, just updated. Why? Because the GBA system allowed for higher quality than a GBC. No different from a PS to PS-whatever graphic & music update for VII, or IV's remake on DS.

they changed the pokemon

No they didn't.

and their moves, they added many attacks

Because the series itself added new attacks. They weren't gonna have RSE equipped with all these leet new attacks and not offer the same to FRLG. For one, FFVII obviously doesn't have to deal with this kind of same thing, and two, adding new moves to the Pokemon should've been expected and really wasn't a big deal.

Still, a lot of their movesets remained the exact same. For instance, Bulbasaur only gained two attacks (Sweet Scent, Synthesis) for its level up set in FRLG.

items, pokemon and secrets.

Items - yes, but even then, not that big of a deal, and should be expected. Does that mean SE would do it? It's not like I-IV suddenly had items from the rest of the series flooding them. Pokemon's a different format.

Pokemon - wrong again. You can obtain the different Pokemon only after the game itself is wrapped up and you do all the extra stuff. Newer Pokemon, just like the Secrets, are optional, with no real interference.

They changed the forest where Pichachu was at, they completely deformed the game!

Wtf. Viridian Forest was the exact same. Guess what? It held the same Pokemon (Pikachu, Caterpie, Metapod, Weedle, Kakuna), had the same Bug Catchers with nearly the same Pokemon, and even the same # of opponents in the forest. And the structure was exactly the same. Pikachu's rarity in the forest? Again, the same.

Like I said, each place in FRLG was almost (if not entirely) an exact replica of its RBY counterpart. 99% of the people even had the exact same quotes as they did in the initial game.

So, if you've ever even played Pokemon red, than you'd know this, but you didn't so you wouldn't know.

A terrible claim, with no basis or reasoning behind this accusation. A really lousy accusation for you to make, actually. Pure drivel.

Pokemon had a better "plot" than VII

LOL. Again, an awful claim.

and if the "plot" thing was to indicate that it didn't have a "plot", than you sir, are terribly wrong!

It's that, most who play(ed) Pokemon, like myself, never really take the plot into huge consideration, because it's a rehashed tool of progression.

So all in all, FRLG was the same game as RBY. The pokemon obtainable or seen or faced throughout the story were the same. The routes were the same. The opponents were the same. The battle system (apart from the newer mechanics like IV limitations) were the same. The map was the same. The quotes from the people were the same. The cities were the same. The music was the same, but updated. The rivalry was the same. The league was the same. And the graphics were upgraded.

A few opponents' line ups changed, but it was for the better. The movesets and items, and Pokemon LATER obtained, were naturally updated. And they may have added a few more "secrets".

Every other change, ike the Pokemon that could be obtained - happened AFTER the story was well-completed.

So it essentially felt like the same game you played in RBY, just, hmm, what's the word?--Oh yeah, updated.

Once again, if SE did a remake like this, it'd be a proud one.

If SE remade the game, it would be different. But, seeing as you are a very, very, very, very, very, very die hard FFVII fan, you will never, never, never, never ever get it. You're extremely biased.

This is such nonsense. Yes, I'm a huge fan of FFVII, but I've been one of the more objective posters here. I separated which installments were "sell outs" and "milked" vs which ones weren't. I admitted that the installments and retcons, like those of Crisis Core, sucked. But I've also pointed out why Gack--I mean, Genesis, would have no fucking inclusion. So how have I been blind? Because my speculation isn't purely based around negative thinking? Tell me then, why would FFVII be different? You keep saying that, but haven't made a single justification for it yet. The only one that came up was the Nibelheim retcon, which I've already gone through.

 

[Serah]

Alright, I think this argument has gone on long enough. It's getting ridiculous now. This is not a debate thread. Everybody has their own opinions in here and I think you need to just leave it at that. Also, please stop taking the thread off topic with discussions of Pokemon. Enough is enough now. If it continues I will close the thread. Thank you.

 

[Saigo]

Well, I suppose this marks a good place to make my first post ;;

I'm a fan of Final Fantasy VII, a big fan. However I'm a fan of the story, the characters, the original game and Advent Children Complete. I feel like they did a good job on all of the above. However the mobile game(Where you play as all of the turks), and the PSP game Crisis Core, and the OVA, etc. It was too much. Don't get me wrong, Crisis Core was a pretty fun game for a while, and the mobile game I have never played but I heard got pretty decent reviews, nothing amazing though. The OVA is sort of just an anime rendition of the ending sequence of Crisis Core but thats alright.. All in all, what I'm saying is that people who say Final Fantasy VII aren't good are just wrong, lol. But at the same token people who say it's some godsend of a this that or the other thing are even more wrong.

My point here is that honestly, they COULDN'T remake the game and have it be good enough for me to buy it, unless they added a LOT more to the original story, which I don't think they can do unless they wanna either screw up the story or add hours of new sidequests. If they alter the original story, fanboys will wet themselves, and yet honestly it would probably better the game. However Square loves fanservice too much to do something like that, so if they do remake it and want it to be a 10/10 game, there will be a LOT of fanservice, and expect at LEAST 60 hours more of more stuff not in the original. I don't really care if the remake it or not. Currently I'm content with replaying the original FFVII, FFI and FFII on my PSP.

 

[TheRealTrxd]

Still not started? Come on...

I guess we will be waiting at least 5 years from now:wtf:

 

[Stoic Hero]

Yes, I'm a huge fan of FFVII, but I've been one of the more objective posters here. I separated which installments were "sell outs" and "milked" vs which ones weren't. I admitted that the installments and retcons, like those of Crisis Core, sucked. But I've also pointed out why Gack--I mean, Genesis, would have no fucking inclusion. So how have I been blind? Because my speculation isn't purely based around negative thinking? Tell me then, why would FFVII be different? You keep saying that, but haven't made a single justification for it yet. The only one that came up was the Nibelheim retcon, which I've already gone through.

I agree, you've been very objective in your posts. However, I'd like to know on what basis you say Crisis Core sucked. I think it was very well done, for the following reasons:

It stayed true to the VII canon, despite the inclusion of Genesis and other characters that never appeared in VII.

It tried to tell its own story instead of just resound the story of VII.

It focused on Zack Fair, and made him personal. He is one of if not my favorite character in Final Fantasy, apart from Cloud and Balthier.

It used a different battle system for the game, instead of copying VII's battle system (Final Fantasy IV: The After Years was a victim of this. They only included a new day/night system to make it appear different.)

It was on the PSP, instead of the PS3 or 360, thus appealing to a much smaller crowd and showing their devotion to the project.

The graphics were top notch and the music was absolutely brilliant. True, the latter is an opinion, but I challenge you to listen to the soundtrack and tell me that it sucks. At the very least, it's very well orchestrated and is easy on the ears.

I find your comment unwarranted, and would like to hear anything you have to say on the matter. I personally enjoyed Crisis Core and thought it an excellent game, especially for the PSP. A tad too linear, and way too many missions, but still an excellent game.

 

[Repliica]

An FF VII remake? I wouldn't be against it but as long as they don't go overboard with it if it is made and hopefully we'll all be seeing more than one disc.

I think that if FF XIII isn't overly great, they should stop the FF series and work on remaking the older ones. I'd love to see a FF6 remake as well, along with FF8 and 9. It'd be rather lovely to see those remade with voice actors etc. Just as long as they're not annoying voice actors. Dx

 

[.Tifa]

EH..

Not going to be thrilled or hyperactive over the idea of a FF VII remake because is still pretty much scared that SE are going to change things too much and is going to ruin the classic game. Though is going to wish them luck because this is going to be a pretty tough project to make and really- they can't please everybody which is why it's going to make things even harder for SE. But either way... no matter what happens..

The remake is going to have it's lovers and it's fair share of haters no matter what they do. It's just the way things go.. [ Shrugs Shoulders ]

But is kinda worried that SE might skip out on FF 5 and FF6 remakes because the FF7 fanbase always overshadows them..