Jehovah's Witnesses

OK, I have had quite a bit of experience with Jehovah's Witnesses. My main complaint is that they think they are the only ones who know the "truth". It is pretty much a turn off.

Well, this was several years ago. I had this ambition to study the Bible from cover to cover. So I joined different Bible study groups. In one of my Bible studies, I got into a discussion about the Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs on the trinity. Well, they have their own ideas about it. Mainly that the Father, the son and the Holy Spirit are separate entities not 3 in 1. So one dropped by my house one day. I had a two hour discussion with them and then decided to study their beliefs for a while. The interesting thing about them is that they do not bother with passing offerings and crap. So when I went to their meetings, I never had to give donations. Although I did every once in a while. It seemed to me that they were very serious and sincere about their faith. But it was too harsh for me. After two years of studying and occasionally going to meetings, I decided to quit. I just did not think they were the "truth". Besides, I completed my reading of the Bible. I felt I had enough religious study.
 
Jehovah's Witnesses is the religion that confused my views toward the female sex. They hammered mythical, archaic, oppressive beliefs onto me, my parents, and my brothers. I am willing to give them up, but they proudly refuse. If your parents hammer oppressive beliefs onto you, then you have automatically broken the fifth commandment. If you hammer oppressive beliefs onto your children, then your children automatically break the fifth commandment. I admit that I have been downward spiraling into the oppressive beliefs hammered onto me. Most criminals have had oppressive beliefs hammered onto them by their parents or their parents' church, and they were unable to let go of them. Likewise, many people who have gotten in trouble in social-service Websites or Internet forums have also had oppressive beliefs hammered onto them. I would like to try to move away from the oppressive beliefs my parents and their hammered onto me, and I suggest you do the same. American society has hammered outdated, oppressive beliefs onto its people, and that is why crime is so rampant in that country.
 
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I dont have any particular problems with Jehova's Witnesse's but rather just religion altogether. I mean I don't mind people practising it, but it irk's me the way every religion think's they are right and everyone else is wrong.

Why can't they all just get along and stop with the petty fighting?

I think all religions should just be more accepting of each other especially as half these churches are based on the same god and same religion just slightly different views.
 
OK, I have had quite a bit of experience with Jehovah's Witnesses. My main complaint is that they think they are the only ones who know the "truth". It is pretty much a turn off.
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you could however say that about most religions.

Most criminals have had oppressive beliefs hammered onto them by their parents or their parents' church, and they were unable to let go of them. Likewise, many people who have gotten in trouble in social-service Websites or Internet forums have also had oppressive beliefs hammered onto them. I would like to try to move away from the oppressive beliefs my parents and their hammered onto me, and I suggest you do the same. American society has hammered outdated, oppressive beliefs onto its people, and that is why crime is so rampant in that country
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thats pretty much all bullshit.
religion or as you call it 'outdated oppressive beliefs' is not the cause of 'rampant crime'. drugs and other things are like racial tension, intolerance etc.
so dont use religion as a scapegoat for your and society's failings.
you will still hate women if you continue to say 'it is my parents oppressive beliefs that cause me to hate women, it is not recommened to argue with me about this'

and isnt it just a little hypocritical that you say you Jehovah's Witnesses and then cry about breaking the fifth amendment, surely your constitution or one of is amendments must say that people should be free from prejudice
 
Tedius Zanarukando grow some fucking balls! Your 28 years old yet you are blaming your apparent 'controversial' view points on your up bringing. As much as that is likely to be the case don't you think you are wise enough to change the views that have been 'forced' on you? You clearly recognize that they are not the sort of views you are proud of if you are bringing them up in this way so do something about it. My Mother is a dedicated Christian and I was raised to follow the same way, yet I saw that it wasn't my thing (for REAL controversial reasons) and distanced myself, standing up to MY views and not some old bint.

Personally I dislike JW's on the basis that they go calling, imposing they'er beliefs on others, something which I'm highly against. I had a college friend who was a JW and he was fine, just like any other boy his age, yet he had to stick to the silly rules of being a JW. The only thing keeping him a JW is the fact he wants to stay in his family and not get shuned out.
 
Are they a cult? Maybe, most of the ones knocking at my door seemed weird enough... :D

But seriously, I did give the first few a chance. But so far from what I've heard themselves say, I feel they're a bunch of discriminatory bastards and some seem proud of their (conflicting with mine) views. Maybe it's the individuals I had the misfortune of speaking to, regardless it left me with the feeling I'd rather burn my face with a waffle iron, salt the burnt mess and then dive into a pile of alcohol filled broken glass than join them.

And while I tryed being polite mostly, when one did feel the need to put their foot in my door, I felt the need to say something. FUCK OFF!
 
Jehovah's-Witness parents are known for rigidly and routinely forcing and hammering their oppressive beliefs onto their children. They believe that everyone is impressionable, and strictly forbid any entertainment media that is contrary to their teachings. They have an extreme, negative attitude towards other religion. They use other religions as a scapegoat for society's problems. They do not celebrate birthdays or holidays. They have confused some young men's views on women, and I am one of those victims. I was forced to follow my parents way and believe what they believe. I do not use religion in general as a scapegoat, I use specifically cultlike religious groups as the scapegoat. Oppressive religious beliefs can cause difficulty getting along on message boards, wiki sites, and other social online services.
 
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Yet again I find human foolishness so laughable, the greatest example of that foolishness being you, Tedius Zanarakundo. Why is it that us humans tend to blame others for our own sins? Grow up some balls man and stop blaming others for your own faults.

Here is a list of all the common excuses that humankind uses only to shield their rotten, so selfish, and biased society that sometimes makes me wonder why the hell do we even bother to exist:

"I am bad because it's God's fault"
"I am bad because my parents were bad with me."
"I killed because my childhood was hard."
"I rape because I was raped as a child."
"I torture animals because one of my family members did it as well."
"My child died because God needed an angel" (this one being the most ridiculous answers)
"I think women deserve to be treated as shit because my views on them was biased by my parents...."
"I do this because they forced me to..."
"I do this because my life sucks..."
"I do this because....etc, etc, etc...."

Ahh I so find it amusing when I see someone using those excuses, and many, many others. For an instance, JWs is a religion, not a cult, and they are a sub part of Christianity as well, much like the Evangelic Church, and the other sub divisions. JWs believe in Jesus Christ (heck his name wasn't even Jesus, his name is "Yeshua") but do not believe in the Trinity because in all logic sense (even though religion is sometimes away from common sense) Jesus and God (whose name is YHWH or Jehova) can't be in two different places at the same time if they are the same person, and also Jesus is called "The Son of God" and a mighty god himself, but only one has the Title of "Almighty", and that is God himself. Also that name is not only used in JWs Bible, it is also mentioned in other versions of the Bible as well made by other religious groups.

If we are talking about editing the Bible, other religions may have done it as well. For example, take the Ecumenical Council which is the gathering of all the bishops when they decided to edit the Bible and say what stays and what should not stay written. The First Ecumenical Council (or the Council of Nicaea) happened on 325 AC (after Christ for those who might not now...so just in case), and many other took place starting from that very date (I am not sure if that was the exact date though). After the first seven councils, the following events were thus named "Roman Catholic Councils", and it works just like a basic government, bishops are some sort of senators and the Pope is the "leader".

As for speaking of "strict", well other religions were the keys that ignited massacres, human hunting and prejudice. The Holy Crusades for example or the Templar Knights, fanatical religious orders that hunted down all of those that were accused (yes, judged for a simple accusation) of witchcraft and heresy, only to be later on declared a martyr, beatified and made a saint years later, for example, Joan of Arc (Jeanne d'Arc). An example of a meaningless effort to amend for humanity's disastrous mistakes. So none of us, none of us have the right to judge others, because we are all so full of the Sin that corrodes our existence, the poison that courses through our very veins, we are as stained as the blood that covered the fields were all the massacres took place.

So in summary, humanity is just a mass of hypocrisy, prejudice and bloodshed, and sadly we are all part of it.


PS: Yes, I do think a lot about religion, in fact I am studying religion as part of the Humanities class at the moment. And yes, I can be really harsh, and yes to the following:

-I can be heartless.
-I do believe humans are the reason why Earth is a living hell.
-I did question my existence as well.
-I do not celebrate my birthday because it reminds me that the Sands of Time are against me, and I am really afraid of Death, well in fact I am just afraid of ceasing to exist.
-That less human population equals less screwed Earth.
-I do believe that the Sun will eventually run out of energy or life (as a Star, stars do run out of life and die) and then the Earth will freeze, but since it will be millions and millions of years after my death, I don't care.
-The comment above this one is a very selfish comment.
-I once thought of being an Hermit, just to dedicate to study humanity as long as I can.

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Also I thank God for Albert Einstein, his quote about human stupidity fits perfectly my beliefs.
"Only two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity..."​
 
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Bah I had a Jehova's witness at my door and I was like nuuuu and I so wanted to tell him to go away but I took his goddam watch tower mag and politely said Il have a look at it. Normally Im just like GO AWAY but I felt mean darn

Then yesterday afternoon I was sat eating a hot dog, minding me own business when some guy sat next to me telling me how he had found god again and that it was his mission to get as many young people back inchurch as he can

Oh dear lord I thought, willing my daughter to eat faster

God loves you but you will only be truly happy when you let god into your life. Riiiiight

I seem to be a target for these people recently.
I don't like it being rammed down my throat just leave me alone and let me be happy with my non religous self please

Tedius Zanarukando said:
They do not celebrate birthdays or holidays.
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I find that quite appealing at times :wacky:
 
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My next best strategy against them is to find a challenging proof in mathematics and work on it in my head as best I can. If I look like I'm zoned out, at least they might leave me alone. If not, I'll quickly come up with the proof and say something like, did you know that the nth residue of m is 1 mod m if n is even, and -1 mod m if n is odd? By the way, I didn't need your God to tell me that; Paul Eirdos says he's too greedy to do that, so I figured that out on my own.
 
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My next best strategy against them is to find a challenging proof in mathematics and work on it in my head as best I can. If I look like I'm zoned out, at least they might leave me alone. If not, I'll quickly come up with the proof and say something like, did you know that the nth residue of m is 1 mod m if n is even, and -1 mod m if n is odd? By the way, I didn't need your God to tell me that; Paul Eirdos says he's too greedy to do that, so I figured that out on my own.
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You know that people made equations to attempt to prove the existence of God. If you succeed in doing the opposite, you know the consequences that will bring, right? Not only the entire concept of Religion would be lost, but thousands and thousands of believers will find their life as meaningless. hysteria, Chaos and Civil War, our entire society could crumble since most of it was based on Religion, and it remained merged until we decided to separate the Government from the Religion.

Yet, there's always the other side of the coin, which would result in a major enlightenment, the unification of a society set apart by religion. Also it would prove, that there's no hope beyond death, that the true purpose of life, is to end.
 
Well, I didn't exactly mean to make that a statement of "truth", but only as a way to tell them that I'm not interested, and if that idea of residues from mathematics scares or confuses them enough, that they might see that I'm either a nut and not worth wasting their time on, or I'm a total math geek, and need no other kind of satisfaction in life.

Of course, if they're still not intimidated, I guess I'll just proceed on towards a proof of the (infinite) geometric sum formula, a proof of the area of a particular triangle within a triangle, what I know about hyperbolic geometry, and any other advanced mathematics topics that laymen don't understand.

But on the "disproving" of religion, if it were disproved, it would not cure people's ignorances--there is no medicine for ignorance. If we did have enough evidence to show that God doesn't exist, and I believe we do anyways, people will continue to ignore it in light of the things they want to believe. Maybe some people will start to realize that God doesn't exist, but only because they choose to, and in either case, I suggest it's healthier to live the truth than to live a lie, even if it may seem comforting.

Of course, the thing I still don't understand is why people choose to take morals out of a book with inconsistencies rather than a book that doesn't have inconsistencies, or nearly as many, but that's probably a topic for an entirely different thread.
 
Jehova's Witnesses scare me...

I recall one incident when I was sitting at home probably doing nothing when the doorbell rings. I look through the peephole and there's two guys wearing suits outside my door. My car's parked in my driveway so they already know I'm there so I open the door. They run their mouths for about 10 minutes and I just tell them "Look guys, I don't mean to offend you guys or anything, but I don't really 'buy' into any of this." They look at each other and then go "Well Siyawosh, it was a pleasure meeting you." We shake hands and they leave.

Now before I go on, I don't have anything against these people. Most of the ones I've ran into are actually very polite, but it's just their relentlessness that makes me hate them and probably gives them a bad rep.

Three days later, I'm at work and I just got off. I'm walking over to my car when this white van pulls in front of me and the door slides open. My first thought was "Shit, I'm getting kidnapped", but then those two guys walk out, smiles across their face. I'm thinking to myself, "Christ...". We do the whole handshake deal and I just tell them firmly, "I'm not religious and no offense, but I don't believe in any of this" and walk away. I still don't know how they found my workplace and my hours...

So yea, Jehova's Witnesses...Scary people.:|
 
I'm was brought up as a Jehovah's Witness.

There are way too many logical fallacies (e.g. the beasts of the field came before the trees?)
It is a sect of Christianity in the vaguest of senses, it does have followers all around the world so I guess it is a religion (generally cult groups are small).

Its restrictive nature reflects its indoctrinatory nature, it kills kills virtually all creativity and is generally an unfit way of life for anyone who values freedom at all.
 
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