Isn't Sin......Stronger Than Other Bosses In The FF Series

C2 said:
even in just ffx

sin isnt the strongest
nemesis is.
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yeah by video game simulation standards, but if nemesis fought sin head on, like in the animated scenes, sin would gravitate him into nothing.
 
ANGRYWOLF said:
I thought Penance was stronger than Nemesis..and hence would be stronger than sin....
Penance is only in the International version of the game though...


http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Nemesis_(Final_Fantasy_X)

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Penance_(Final_Fantasy_X)
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I wasn't comparing HP here.................

like if Nemesis,Penance and Sin were real-life I'd think Sin would be a real threat to the world.................

Like I said before Sin could destroy a whole town or village in like a couple of seconds and then evetually the world................I don't think a Sephiroth or Kefka could do that!

and they are much more credited than sin..........
 
I didn't even think Nemesis was that hard, the enemies who counter every attack are harder to deal with than Nemesis.
 
I wasn't comparing HP here.................

like if Nemesis,Penance and Sin were real-life I'd think Sin would be a real threat to the world.................

Like I said before Sin could destroy a whole town or village in like a couple of seconds and then evetually the world................I don't think a Sephiroth or Kefka could do that!

and they are much more credited than sin..........
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Shadow..........your a strange one lol, Sin is not the threat you think he is, you have seen the FMV where he emits a graviton pulse and the clouds start to swell around it and it starts pulling material down from Spiras Moon?

Sin just has these abilities, it has no personality of its own, its just a vessel, it is controlled by Yu Yevon you can manipulate th Finall Aeon that he crafted sin from.
very time Sin was recreated it had the same Abilities, the gravitic abilities are its standard offensive type.

The abilities dont change with each different Final Aeon, they are engulfed by pyreflies and transformed into a new Sin.......making the real threat Yu Yevon, so while yes Sin does have great offensive power it has no mind of its own,and there fore is not a threat,
the threat lies within Sin beyond the Final Aeon.
 
GalaxyFlare said:
Shadow..........your a strange one lol, Sin is not the threat you think he is, you have seen the FMV where he emits a graviton pulse and the clouds start to swell around it and it starts pulling material down from Spiras Moon?

Sin just has these abilities, it has no personality of its own, its just a vessel, it is controlled by Yu Yevon you can manipulate th Finall Aeon that he crafted sin from.
very time Sin was recreated it had the same Abilities, the gravitic abilities are its standard offensive type.

The abilities dont change with each different Final Aeon, they are engulfed by pyreflies and transformed into a new Sin.......making the real threat Yu Yevon, so while yes Sin does have great offensive power it has no mind of its own,and there fore is not a threat,
the threat lies within Sin beyond the Final Aeon.
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Yeah,I know but I wasn't talking about his moves............I was comparing him to other bosses in the FF series..........and how it's a threat...........Unlike other FF's Sin is the main threat here.........HE is the one taht ould destroy the world...........Sephiroth or Kefka cannot solely destroy the world............What sin did to Killika in a few seconds............can you see Kefka or Sephiroth doing that in a few seconds?

Sin is the most destructive boss..........
 
raw destructive power does not a strong villain make. i suppose a good comparison would be the DBZ series- enemies as early as Vegeta were capable of blowing up the Earth in one blast, but even by the end of GT they still kept the planet intact while the villains battled the Z fighters

and anyways since Sin never actually destroyed the planet I'm not sure how you can say that he's capable of doing so.
 
Adamant said:
raw destructive power does not a strong villain make. i suppose a good comparison would be the DBZ series- enemies as early as Vegeta were capable of blowing up the Earth in one blast, but even by the end of GT they still kept the planet intact while the villains battled the Z fighters

and anyways since Sin never actually destroyed the planet I'm not sure how you can say that he's capable of doing so.
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I didn't mean to say he'd destroy the planet completely........but if their was a real-life sephiroth and a real-life Sin.............

My bets on sin to win that one..............

I mean look what he did to Killika within a few seconds.........if he just went on to do the same thing to other places the Spira would be ruined.Now thats somwthing all villains want to do destroy/ruin the world.........Sephiroth needs the black materia to call meteor to destroy/ruin the planet and kill everyone............But not sin, he could use himself.
 
Ultima Snake said:
id say the head was relativly hard because of the fact you had to beat him before he used his overdrive, but penance was a lot harder.
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For the LAST time,I'm not comparing HP or how long it took you to kill him or weather you trained for ages tryna kill penance and you can kill Sin in one shot with your maxed out characters................

But you might have a point that I could use............if he used that overdrive (whatever it was) I'm sure it could kill any boss in the FF series (Kefka,Sephiroth etc)...........Maybe the same overdrive was used at Kilika...........and even if it was no other boss in the FF series would have a move as pwerful as that............which is as powerful to wipe out a town/village and kill loads of people at once.

If sephiroth wanted to kill everyone in Kilika he'd have to kill them one by one..........all sin has to do is wack his tail or do his overdrive (or whatever) on it and they'll all be killed and the village would be totally destroyed!

See what I mean here?
 
If you mean as far as "beatability," then no, not at all. Sin was relatively easy for me to defeat compared to other FF bosses. Other bosses had actual strategy. In FFX, you just had to knock down a crapload of his HP, but if you leveled up, that shouldn't be an issue. I thought there were more difficult fiends.

But as far as in overall power, I think Sin is rather formidable. Sephiroth and Nemesis couldn't do ish like pull gravity from a nearby moon or split the earth, water and sky. He's just a mindless shell...
 
I'd dare say that Sin is one of the weakest bosses in the game battle-wise.

So, given that, I lost respect for him overall. I wanted a challenge, but I kind of got it more from Seymour, Yunalesca, and Jecht. Sin did look pretty intimidating in the cutscenes though.
 
Why is Sin always brought up as being hard? Lol, lets talk about Seymour :D Coming across him was always quite intimidating

*and with good reason. he was easily the most formidible enemy in ffx
 
Going by the cut-scenes ive seen in various final fantasy games sin easily almost completely destroyed kilika and bevelle while in ff7 it took sephiroth the whole game just to learn meteor which seeing the aftereffects was weak compared to sins attacks seymour was beat over and over again his one special ability seemed to be him being too stubborn to die. All together if sin sephiroth and seymour were real heres how I think the battle will go.
Sin fights seymour first and kills him seymour however uses said stubborness to come back alive. Sin fights sephiroth and seymour sin uses his giant beam attack against them seymour dies again. sephiroth finally wounds sin but is to exausted to dodge sin and is killed
 
ummm, no i dont' think so. if you include secret bosses, then i'd say penance would win, he was an optional boss in the FFX euro version, and had an attack called judgement day (which did not require a charge up like sin's did) and that literally destroyed everything. i think he was sealed by the dark aeons, but at any rate

if not including optional bosses, omega was fairly powerful from FFVII dirge of cerebus,and sephiroth had meteor which could destroy mars, juipter and all the other planets... but couldn't kill cloud... i'm starting to wonder about that. plus if it wasn't for holy and aerith, sephiroth would've succeeded? so i don't think sin was the most powerful, he was slow, sluggish, big, alot of places to hit, and really, really, really slow. he had to charge up afterall

-Kamui
 
Dark Fantasy X said:
ummm, no i dont' think so. if you include secret bosses, then i'd say penance would win, he was an optional boss in the FFX euro version, and had an attack called judgement day (which did not require a charge up like sin's did) and that literally destroyed everything. i think he was sealed by the dark aeons, but at any rate

if not including optional bosses, omega was fairly powerful from FFVII dirge of cerebus,and sephiroth had meteor which could destroy mars, juipter and all the other planets... but couldn't kill cloud... i'm starting to wonder about that. plus if it wasn't for holy and aerith, sephiroth would've succeeded? so i don't think sin was the most powerful, he was slow, sluggish, big, alot of places to hit, and really, really, really slow. he had to charge up afterall

-Kamui
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If sephiroth really did have an attack destroying Jupiter,Saturn,Venus etc.........it would destroy him as well as all the people on the battlefield.

But here I meant what if Sin was real-life!!.........

You'd need like a nucleur bomb to stop him.......Sin can destroy the world using himself............Sephiroth needs to call meteor........

And please Im not bothered weather you think the sin battle was EASY...........it wouldn' t be easy in real-life would it?
 
It really depends on how much they're grounded into realism. Final Fantasy X had more realism battle wise than Final Fantasy VII did. Warriors with long swords didn't do a bunch of crazy killing combos in X like in VII. In real life Sephiroth's long sword would be useless to him because it'd be too big to do half the things he did with it in Final Fantasy VII. He'd need another weapon. Something smaller to better compliment his speed. I think in the real world Sin would be stronger because in general Sephiroth is just a man with super-human abilities due to experiments and extremely skilled on top of that making him quite the killing machine even in real life. But Sin is a giant monster like Godzilla or Cloverfield. All Sin has to do is step on him... It just wouldn't be a fair fight in our world because size does matter.

For pure entertainment value though I'd rather see Kefka Palazzo's god form take on Sin. Obviously not in the real world though...
 
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Sephiroth couldn't wipe out a town? He burnt Nebelheim to the ground.

Sin probably is the strongest, its a direct threat to everything and shows up often, it isn't in the middle of planning to destroy the world/universe/time (Sephiroth, Ultimacia, Kuja, Fal'Cie), it is actively doing so town by town over the course of 1000 years and only paused every now and again by being temporarily defeated. Unlike those other last bosses, Sin re-appears until the story of FFX finishes.

Kuja destroyed a world but it was void of proper life anyway, the Fal'Cie are planning it. Ultimacia isn't planning world destruction but distortion of time to suit her view of a perfect world, and Sephiroth is actively planning the destruction and comes close but it takes 5 years. Sin is there already and doing it bit by bit.
 
well acourding to the game sin isn't meant to be the destroyed of the world....just a death bringer....much like a grim reaper, he kills.....but isn't all that powerfull because of that fact that summoners and their guardians can kill it
 
Okay alot of weird debate here. if the final fantasy boses were real then im pretty sure that it wouldnt be the worst. his week spots are obvious. Pretty much his joints and size doesnt matter. Sin is extra ordinarily slow. Sephiroths sword size wouldnt matter in real life. people fight with poles one handed. a sword of that length with the right strength wouldnt be any different from a short sword. surely the width of clouds sword would be worse.
Besides sin is just an oversized fish ^^ im sure we would have a new range of tuna on the shelves before long. worst boss? dont think there was one. but im gonna say seymour on mount gagazett or however you spell that. he just annoyed me zombying and casting full life.
 
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