Is everyone dead in the future?

[Donald Trump]

The title is the question I'm asking, is everyone in the future of the game dead?
Possibly, and almost certainly providing my these two assumptions are correct.
The first being that in the future in which Ultimecia lives, everyone else is dead. There's no way of proving this, but from what I remember, dead white SeeDs everywhere and no life through either of the five portals, I don't think this is an unreasonable assumption. I maybe slightly wrong about the portals, I can't remember if they're in Ultimecia's future.
Secondly, that the end of time compression and Ultimecia's death doesn't change anything in the future in which she lives. I see no reason why that should change, people can't be brought back to life. If they're all dead why should that change? Nothing changes when Adel dies, nor does anything change when Edea looses her power as a sorceress. I don't think time compression, or the end of time compression would make any difference either.

Given that both these assumptions are correct, then life ends after Ultimecia's death.
However I think it's unlikely that Square would have a game with such a bleak future. Alternatively I could have missed something.
Unfortunately I don't think it's possible to either prove or disprove these assumptions, meaning, unless I'm wrong of course, that there is no definitive answer.

 

[Stoic Hero]

It's obvious at the end of the game that life doesn't end. I mean, if you want to talk about alternate endings or something then okay, but as for the actual end of the game, I don't understand where this is coming from?

 

[Donald Trump]

In Ultimecia's time, ie the future, everyone is dead. I can't remember the ending, but I don't think that changes.

 

[Stoic Hero]

Ultimecia's time ends after Squall and the others defeat her. Then this happens:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmDt-EbFslo

So, honestly, I don't see where you're coming from. Are you talking about before Ultimecia's death? Then, yes, I suppose so. I remember it being dark and dreary, and everyone being white and dead. But arguing this point is rather odd because after you kill her, everything goes back to how it was beforehand.

 

[Rorolina Frixell]

The way I remember it after Ultimecia was killed everyone entered 'Time Compression' and once Rinoa found Squall everyone (I forget the finer details) ended up returning to their own timeline.

So it's my interpretation that the 'Ultimecia future' has everyone dying (or at least those outside the city barriers, possible survivors within?) so really all Squall and co did was prevent a disaster occuring in the 'now' which simply postponed the inevitable imo.

 

[F. F. Fan]

The title is the question I'm asking, is everyone in the future of the game dead?

Actually, everyone living in the future isn’t dead; they simply exist in compressed time. It is true, Ultimecia exists--and can only exist--far into the future, thus her need to take over the body of a sorceress living in whatever time period Ultimecia wishes to influence. But it's my interpretation that Ultimecia exists outside of time and reality as it is in the FF-VIII universe.

With that said, it would be hard for me to say that everyone is dead in her realm; rather, they would simply have a hard time existing there. Squall & Co. had to believe in one another’s existence and close friendship just to exist in her realm.

Possibly, and almost certainly providing my these two assumptions are correct.
The first being that in the future in which Ultimecia lives, everyone else is dead. There's no way of proving this, but from what I remember, dead white SeeDs everywhere and no life through either of the five portals, I don't think this is an unreasonable assumption. I maybe slightly wrong about the portals, I can't remember if they're in Ultimecia's future.

The "White SeeD's" they found outside of the orphanage were actually Future SeeD’s who died while battling Ultimecia in her realm, and not from the effects time compression. As for the portals and there being no life outside them…, there actually is. The portals (as I’m sure you already know. xp) are points in the world where you could enter Ultimecia’s realm. There is life if you exit her realm back into the world as you can battle creatures or ride Chocobo’s. The only reason we're unable to enter a city or town is because all points in time are compressed into one.

Secondly, that the end of time compression and Ultimecia's death doesn't change anything in the future in which she lives. I see no reason why that should change, people can't be brought back to life. If they're all dead why should that change? Nothing changes when Adel dies, nor does anything change when Edea looses her power as a sorceress. I don't think time compression, or the end of time compression would make any difference either.

Given that both these assumptions are correct, then life ends after Ultimecia's death.

Nah, life goes on after time compression and Ultimecia's death, the only thing that happened during time compression (based on my interpretation of it) is that time stands still for those in it.


Adel’s death or Edea losing her powers wouldn’t do much as they were just Ultimecia’s pawns, Ultimecia would just occupy another sorceress in that time--Rinoa. Now, Ultimecia’s death, on the other hand, does change things depending on how you interpret the end of the game. Either Squall and Co. are destined to repeat the events over and over (being stuck in a causality loop), or, Ultimecia’s death brings about an end to the causality loop where the alteration of a single event (Ultimecia’s death) creates a whole new timeline thus breaking the loop.

 

[Donald Trump]

Actually, everyone living in the future isn’t dead; they simply exist in compressed time. It is true, Ultimecia exists--and can only exist--far into the future, thus her need to take over the body of a sorceress living in whatever time period Ultimecia wishes to influence. But it's my interpretation that Ultimecia exists outside of time and reality as it is in the FF-VIII universe.

My point or theory, is this. Ultimecia was born into the real world, the same one Squall and co were born into, except some unspecified time in the future. In that future Ultimecia was persecuted, we get that from her speech when she kills the President.
That's all more or less fact. What I'm saying is that in her time, she killed everyone, those dead white SeeDs can only come from her time. So after time compression ends, the people that Ultimecia killed in the future are still dead.

 

[F. F. Fan]

My point or theory, is this. Ultimecia was born into the real world, the same one Squall and co were born into, except some unspecified time in the future. In that future Ultimecia was persecuted, we get that from her speech when she kills the President.

Hrmm, I can't remember if the game says she was directly born into the real world or not, then again, it's been a long time since I've played it.

That's all more or less fact. What I'm saying is that in her time, she killed everyone, those dead white SeeDs can only come from her time.

I see your theory, and in all truth, those dead SeeD’s we see aren’t specified from a given time, only that they came from the future. Or, they could be several generations of SeeD soldiers lying dead. Either way, the only thing I think we are seeing is an ancient battlefield that lasted generations (in the far future) as Squall said something to the tune of … "Future SeeD’s... We're fighting across generations." I could be wrong on this quote since it’s been years since I’ve played, lol. Either way, I don’t see these dead SeeD’s supporting the fact that everyone—as in everyone in the future world, people and SeeD—is dead.

So after time compression ends, the people that Ultimecia killed in the future are still dead.

Yes and no, with many answers, and only the people who she killed through direct battle, in my opinion. It all depends on how you interpret the final ending of the game. If Squall and Co. broke the loop of events, then no one in the future--beyond Squall and Co.--will ever fight her, they'll only know of her through what history has to say of her. If you believe they're doomed only to repeat events over and over (stuck in the loop), then those same deaths will happen over and over--including her own death.

 

[Donald Trump]

Hrmm, I can't remember if the game says she was directly born into the real world or not, then again, it's been a long time since I've played it.

To be honest I don't think it is possible for her to not be born in the real world. She's born in the future, is persecuted and uses the Ellone Junction Machine.

I see your theory, and in all truth, those dead SeeD’s we see aren’t specified from a given time, only that they came from the future. Or, they could be several generations of SeeD soldiers lying dead. Either way, the only thing I think we are seeing is an ancient battlefield that lasted generations (in the far future) as Squall said something to the tune of … "Future SeeD’s... We're fighting across generations." I could be wrong on this quote since it’s been years since I’ve played, lol. Either way, I don’t see these dead SeeD’s supporting the fact that everyone—as in everyone in the future world, people and SeeD—is dead.

That part of the game is slightly unclear. But I think they can only be from her time. She only ever achieves time compression once and even then only partially and for a short period of time. Those dead SeeDs are outside her castle, meaning they fought her, and not some other sorceress. The only way Squall and the rest of the party get to her is through time compression. So it stands to reason that would be the same for everyone else not born in her time. And as she only casts time compression once I think they must be from her time.

Yes and no, with many answers, and only the people who she killed through direct battle, in my opinion. It all depends on how you interpret the final ending of the game. If Squall and Co. broke the loop of events, then no one in the future--beyond Squall and Co.--will ever fight her, they'll only know of her through what history has to say of her. If you believe they're doomed only to repeat events over and over (stuck in the loop), then those same deaths will happen over and over--including her own death.

I'm of the opinion that they don't break the cycle, though that varies from person to person. If they did break the cycle, Ultimecia will have still existed in the future, all the people she killed will still be dead. Killing her can't stop her from being born, so what damage she did would be permanent.

 

[Han_Shinwoo]

hmm~ let see...
Sorceress must at least inherit their power to the nearest potential sorceress, in this case, Edea, was the one. Why could she? perhaps ultimecia also travelled around to the past and find one. And then Squall was there.

Edea, then told by Squall about who he is and what he is. Then, forming and having SEEDs that Edea knew is the only way to stop any sorceresses. And up until the time where Squall came to the future and found those white SEEDs, that won't be weird if the white SEED's still exist until that day.

if Squall wasn't there and told about SEED, Edea wouldn't have known a way to defeat her as a sorceress and other sorceresses in the future. and the history repeats itself as from here. This is still a fate, and could be changed, Squall actually could act differently in each circumstance with the same ending, I think.

about the portals, I think those also still connected with that exact future time, it's a normal portal, not a time machine portal or something. that's why, all cities and places that we could actually reach shouldn't be visited by Squall and the others. It'll destroy the future story itself. I also do not think that everyone is dead, obviously because of that reason.

wasn't it told that there'll be a legendary SEED who will defeat the ultimecia? it's Squall, I guess

 

[Shaissa]

Well I'm not sure if everyone was dead, but I think all the Seed's and any resistance to Ultimecia were wiped out in the future, but like she tried to alter the past I think once Ultimecia was wiped out the future was changed also, Cause now there is no more Ultimecia to try and alter anything, so I guess it's just a matter of if you want to think everyone lives, or if the future remains unchanged.