In your opinion, is pornography a bad thing

Is pornography a bad thing?


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I think porn is something that effects everyone differently because of the countless influences we're subjected to in life. I don't really think anyone needs a brilliant reason to justify why they're for or against it. There are some who are fine with it some who aren't, some blow the effects of it out of proportion others are in denial of the effects.

I think the most compelling anti-porn argument for me would be the performers who aren't fully aware of the effect selling that part of themselves can have on their lives. People have bad experiences in the industry, they're abused, degraded, exploited and some contract STDs that ruin their lives. If you want to turn away from that lifestyle you'll be haunted by the stigma and the simple fact that one day your loved ones might find one of your videos on the internet. Porn probably breaks far more people than we know who turn to drugs and criminality as part of either their mental state or due to the intense lifestyle they live.

Watching it is a different story, but without the performers there would be no spectacle.

Yaaay Christian morality. "If it feels good, stop."
In fact porn has been around longer than Christianity.

Why do you guys have to take it there?
 

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I know, I wasn't referring to the topic I was referring to the disdain. Apologies if I misinterpreted it.
 

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I've never watched it personally, and I don't intend to.

(Well I actually accidentally watched a few seconds once...I was at my neighbor's house and some guy showed me how to use the TV guide...I wanted to watch Shrek but I accidentally clicked the thing after Shrek...which was a porno. I couldn't figure out how to go back and I was super embarassed so I played dumb and was like "What are they doing? :O" The guy ran back in and changed the channel :lew:)

Anywho, I don't like it. And I wouldn't want my partner watching it. Would I classify it as a bad thing? Well to say it's a "bad" thing, that would mean no good comes out of it. Does good come out of porn? One could argue that it does. (Heating up of sex life thus bettering relationship, masturbation, salary for porn stars [last one's a stretch]) So I suppose it would be hard to classify it as bad. But for me, I don't view it as a good thing.
 

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I know, I wasn't referring to the topic I was referring to the disdain. Apologies if I misinterpreted it.

I have general disdain for Christianity trying to legislate the morality of others, specifically in trying to establish laws governing people who want nothing to do with Christianity. But if an individual wants to use Christianity as their reason for not watching porn, that's their deal, no judgment here. I think it's silly to deny nature for the sake of religion, but hey, to each their own.
 

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I have general disdain for Christianity trying to legislate the morality of others, specifically in trying to establish laws governing people who want nothing to do with Christianity. But if an individual wants to use Christianity as their reason for not watching porn, that's their deal, no judgment here. I think it's silly to deny nature for the sake of religion, but hey, to each their own.

You mean disdain for organised religion rather than Christianity then? The Bible doesn't promote it's followers to subjugate non believers it only implores them to submit willfully to the faith. Emphasis on willfully.
 

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You mean disdain for organised religion rather than Christianity then? The Bible doesn't promote it's followers to subjugate non believers it only implores them to submit willfully to the faith. Emphasis on willfully.

Is this the "oh, they're not rrrreeeaaalll Christians" argument? Because they would probably disagree. And they're pretty much subjugating non-believers by lobbying in DC and trying to influence policy.

I will say that the general disdain is not limited to Christianity. Any religion that shoves itself down the throat of people (PORN METAPHOR ONLY SLIGHTLY INTENDED) is ... irritating is the only word that comes to mind.
 

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Is this the "oh, they're not rrrreeeaaalll Christians" argument? Because they would probably disagree. And they're pretty much subjugating non-believers by lobbying in DC and trying to influence policy.

I will say that the general disdain is not limited to Christianity. Any religion that shoves itself down the throat of people (PORN METAPHOR ONLY SLIGHTLY INTENDED) is ... irritating is the only word that comes to mind.

Right but we don't have to talk about who's the real Christian when there are scriptures we can refer to. Perhaps your disdain should be aimed at human beings (whether religious or not) who choose ignorance over understanding.
 

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Sure, there are scriptures. But I don't think many people in their right mind would adhere to all that's meant to be fine and dandy according to the bible. I mean, compared to porn some of the stuff that's acceptable in there is downright horrific. Like selling your daughter as a sex slave, or raping virgins.

I think it's safe to say most Christians do not believe all that is meant to be good according to the bible. That doesn't make them less of a Christian does it?
 

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Are you thinking of passages from the Old Testament? Namely from the books of Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth and/or Samuel? There's an evolution of human behaviour and moral expectation in the Bible that most people won't understand because they quite simply haven't read it. In short, Jesus came and changed many things. What you've mentioned isn't what's expected of Christians post Jesus Christ.
 

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It's still the bible. The bible says that those things are right, that God is unchanging and that those are the things he thinks humans should do, and in some cases has ordered humans to do. Jesus is a major contradiction because he's changing things that are supposedly unchanging, like Gods will. But lets not get into an argument about that. The fact is that there are many, many different interpretations of the bible, so you can't really say that the book determines whose a 'real Christian' and who isn't, when the actual book itself teaches contradictions.
 

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The Bible doesn't say selling your daughters for sex is right. There are contextual examples that can be read from the books I mentioned, but it's written that these examples were because of humanity's wickedness. Humanity needed absolute discipline in those times they didn't have the moral perspective they did in Jesus' time. That is what is in the Bible. The Bible doesn't instruct Christians in general to behave in those ways. Humanity then was different to what it was later, both from a scriptural perspective and as a simple fact of the timeline of humanity.
 

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Right but we don't have to talk about who's the real Christian when there are scriptures we can refer to. Perhaps your disdain should be aimed at human beings (whether religious or not) who choose ignorance over understanding.

Why can't I aim my disdain at both? A general disdain of ignorance and a specific disdain of Christians who don't want anybody else watching porn because Jesus.
 

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Humanity needed absolute discipline like daughters being sold as sex slaves, and towns being destroyed and everyone murdered except the virgins who were to be raped? Whatever. I'm not even going to get into it, because quite frankly I find it twisted and sick that any God would order that of beings he supposedly loves and created in his own image, so if they're wicked wtf is he. Point is, many people perceive the bible differently and that is a fact. There are numerous contradictions in the bible and that is also a fact. So there's no absolute guidebook to being a Christian, when the same book can be interpreted in so many different ways.
 

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You can aim your disdain at whomever you please, I just thought it was slightly unbecoming of you to offend an entire following of a religion because of a grievance you have with a selection of them.

I take it you've read the Bible from Genesis to Malachi, Matthew to Revelations then Sheechiibii? You haven't Google searched this and come to a half baked opinion based in ignorance?
 

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I've read enough to be disgusted and never want to pick it up again. I'd rather spend my life doing something meaningful than reading something I find reprehensible, and I think I'd be a hypocrite to do otherwise. I know many Christians though, and have discussed the stories in the bible with them many times and I respect their interpretations, just like I respect your interpretation of the bible, whatever that may be. Many people take the stories in the bible to mean different things, they interpret them differently. Most find ways of excusing the horrors and enhancing the positives, and who am I or anyone else to tell them that their interpretation is wrong? It's a belief system, and can't really be interpreted 'wrongly'. Hence why I don't think there's such a thing as a 'real' Christian. Because the bible is not an impartial, objective guidebook. It's a huge book full of stories that can be read in many different ways with messages that can be taken to mean many different things. Just because I find some of it horrific, and think some of the messages in it are awful, doesn't make me any more right than someone who reads the same story and interprets it in a totally different, more positive way.
 

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The Bible isn't quite as ambiguous as you've suggested. It's testimony. Interpretation is a human quality not a scriptural one.
 

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Your the one saying it means something other than what is plainly written. I'm not saying you're wrong for that either. But to try and say it's not ambiguous, when you yourself don't take what is written in it at face value doesn't really work.
 

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Slippery fish.

Just a reminder of what the topic is: Porn. So make sure we're only posting porn in this thread.






























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That doesn't seem right.
 

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What I mentioned is written.

Deuteronomy 9:4-6

"After the Lord your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, “The Lord has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness.” No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is going to drive them out before you. It is not because of your righteousness or your integrity that you are going in to take possession of their land; but on account of the wickedness of these nations, the Lord your God will drive them out before you, to accomplish what he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Understand, then, that it is not because of your righteousness that the Lord your God is giving you this good land to possess, for you are a stiff-necked people."

Romans 8:1-4

"Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.


There are many many many more passages that speak of the Old law, Moses' laws, the commandments and how they were laws for a hard hearted people. There is a clear development in the Bible that many naysayers refuse to acknowledge.


-- Hmm, sorry didn't see your post Jesse.
 
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