How insane do you think you are?

[Saix]

So does that mean illogical or irrational?

I'd be content with saying mental irrationality would compel a person to move in such a way, or think such a thought. On the other hand, illogical actions are the result of irrationality to some degree.

Causality? Though "insanity" functions on more of a genetic level, does it not?

 

[der Astronom]

That's what I was wondering about because people do do irrational things, but it's usually out of emotion, and not for no other reason at all, I guess. Granted, that still doesn't make actions based off of emotional outbursts necessarily justified.

In which case, if Einstein and other geniuses did use logic to present their cases, but seemed bizarre to others because their emotions guided them to misunderstanding, and even refusing the result, it makes sense that they write them off as "insane".

 

[Korytco]

Irrationality is merely some one else's failure to comprehend your actions .

Here is a question. If not deformed does every person start off with the same amount of ability to be seen as insane or sane in life. Subtract the environment and think in substance.

The human brain , not much different than the one next door is it? Eveyone is built near the same.

Or are some people truly born biologically more prone to insane. If any mind can be understood and unlocked per say , then that suggests any other mind could become realized in the same way. The same insanity that inflicts an average human can inflict another . Or can it not ?

Are we all born mentally different, if balanced chemically and without deformity or are some of us born into insanity ? Are some of us born weak so that we are meant to become insane in life, is it genetic ?

That's what I was wondering about because people do do irrational things, but it's usually out of emotion, and not for no other reason at all, I guess. Granted, that still doesn't make actions based off of emotional outbursts necessarily justified.

In which case, if Einstein and other geniuses did use logic to present their cases, but seemed bizarre to others because their emotions guided them to misunderstanding, and even refusing the result, it makes sense that they write them off as "insane".

Brilliant ! Yes if some one is so sure they are logical and attempt to be but fail in their logic ,(in opinion not factually) then people will have little faith in them. True.

 

[Saix]

I'd consider the case of Einstein and such people to be far more intellectually developed than, say, the 'masses' of the then-modern culture. It's the inability to comprehend his work which could possibly define such a man as insane, not the work itself.

If you saw no use in a formula, would you abide by its rule? Would you even bother learning its calculative equation in order to gain an outcome you don't feel you need? His methods were too complex for your average joe, basically. It's the same for the people who listened to the guy; it's as though they didn't want to know.

 

[Soul Saver]

I wouldn't say insane or mentally unstable.
Insane at first glance, but there is reason behind the madness. <_<

 

[Korytco]

I'd consider the case of Einstein and such people to be far more intellectually developed than, say, the 'masses' of the then-modern culture. It's the inability to comprehend his work which could possibly define such a man as insane, not the work itself.

If you saw no use in a formula, would you abide by its rule? Would you even bother learning its calculative equation in order to gain an outcome you don't feel you need? His methods were too complex for your average joe, basically. It's the same for the people who listened to the guy; it's as though they didn't want to know.

So true, and it gives "insanity" a sinister nature.

 

[Skunkman88]

What if I was a hermit and was as nutty as a fruit cake but no one else ever noticed it. I was never discovered, then would I live my whole life a sane man. OR insane people, the special types that stand out or frighten us ?[ /QUOTE]

I'm a nutty fruitcake hermit... I also think I'm insane. I have a mental illness (but then again who doesn't, look up some statistics or something). I can say, however, that when whatever mental illness you may suffer (assuming it distorts your perception of things in your life, including judgmental abilities) becomes too intense then you can't help but notice how different other people are, you know you're insane.

What if I was a nutty hermit and I was the only one who thought I was insane then would I be insane or does the majority opinion rule out your own personal indenitifaction of who you are in life and try to chose to be.

I am insane, but you all say I am not. If I start to try to prove it to myself that I am insane am I self realized? Do I finally reach a connection, a spark ?




But can one choose to be insane?

Yes.

 

[Korytco]

What if I was a hermit and was as nutty as a fruit cake but no one else ever noticed it. I was never discovered, then would I live my whole life a sane man. OR insane people, the special types that stand out or frighten us ?[ /QUOTE]

I'm a nutty fruitcake hermit... I also think I'm insane. I have a mental illness (but then again who doesn't, look up some statistics or something). I can say, however, that when whatever mental illness you may suffer (assuming it distorts your perception of things in your life, including judgmental abilities) becomes too intense then you can't help but notice how different other people are, you know you're insane.


Yes.

Which Is why I believe that "insanity " exists simply because You, Me and every other person does not realize the early signs of it.

Which is why I pose the question how insane are you ? Do not over re act but do not ignore the signs.

Can any insane mind be reversed or altered to once again become socially acceptable ? Or are some people simply too self realized for change ?

Also, this thread clearly shows that insanity can be mistaken , or can it be. The word is used loosely everyone agrees on that. However it is used often, presenting itself as something to think about.

 

[der Astronom]

Irrationality is merely some one else's failure to comprehend your actions .

What I have often found, from experience, is that irrationality is mostly caused by emotions. But I am now thinking about this: Do emotions, or an extreme surge of them, cause other people to think that one is insane? It is the emotion of sadness, or rather an extreme amount of it that leads to or characterizes depression; and if you think logically, it might not actually exist. It is anger that drives people to do harm to others; if you think logically, you would understand the consequences and seek not to harm others. There probably are psychological disorders that are genetic, and cannot be caused by emotions alone, but rather, the genetic component probably explains the emotions or other traits that are exhibited (or lack thereof, in some cases) by people with such psychological disorders.

Thoughts?

Here is a question. If not deformed does every person start off with the same amount of ability to be seen as insane or sane in life. Subtract the environment and think in substance.

The human brain , not much different than the one next door is it? Eveyone is built near the same.

Or are some people truly born biologically more prone to insane. If any mind can be understood and unlocked per say , then that suggests any other mind could become realized in the same way. The same insanity that inflicts an average human can inflict another . Or can it not ?

Are we all born mentally different, if balanced chemically and without deformity or are some of us born into insanity ? Are some of us born weak so that we are meant to become insane in life, is it genetic ?

There is actually an excellent (several, actually) example of this, that everybody's brains are wired differently. We all don't think alike, and while in essence, everyone's brain cells contain the same amount of chromosomes, bar mutation, there are still genetic differences in them, and they all react differently. Furthermore, because our brains think of different things and interact and operate differently, the neural connections in them are different, and some have more, some have fewer. For a more interesting example, take the example of Asperger's syndrome. People who have this "disorder" have similar characteristics, generally, that they are introverted, obsessed or very passionate about few subjects, are very good at systemizing, honest and blunt to a fault, but have problems communicating with other people and lack the ability to see social cues. Instinctively, the neurotypical person is able to learn social cues on their own--people with Asperger's Syndrome have to remember their social cues; it doesn't come second nature to them. But Asperger's is genetic, and the characteristics many people with Asperger's exhibit are most likely well explained by the fact that the way they think is different, so their brains should be wired differently.

It has also been found that particular geniuses, like Einstein and Gauss have a larger brain mass than normal people do. Whether this is a result of how they used their brains or if it was genetic isn't clear to me, although I'd say it's a bit of both.

Brilliant ! Yes if some one is so sure they are logical and attempt to be but fail in their logic ,(in opinion not factually) then people will have little faith in them. True.

See, this is how I'm beginning to understand why Gauss didn't publish his findings on non-Euclidean geometry. People say that if he had published everything that appeared in his posthumous papers, that mathematics and probably sciences would be advanced further ahead than it is now. But I don't believe that's true because as long as the masses don't accept it, it will never advance society. Gauss could have published his papers, but what would that accomplish? People would call him a nut, and it wouldn't be about much later that people would begin to accept it. It's not any different from when they would normally have accepted it anyways.

If you saw no use in a formula, would you abide by its rule? Would you even bother learning its calculative equation in order to gain an outcome you don't feel you need? His methods were too complex for your average joe, basically. It's the same for the people who listened to the guy; it's as though they didn't want to know.

People need to see that these complex calculations, despite how "useless" or unreal they may be, may lead to better sciences, better technology, and in the end, better living standards. Who wouldn't want that?

At least if you tried to understand it, it's certainly better than denying it because you didn't understand it at first.

 

[Korytco]

What I have often found, from experience, is that irrationality is mostly caused by emotions. But I am now thinking about this: Do emotions, or an extreme surge of them, cause other people to think that one is insane? It is the emotion of sadness, or rather an extreme amount of it that leads to or characterizes depression; and if you think logically, it might not actually exist. It is anger that drives people to do harm to others; if you think logically, you would understand the consequences and seek not to harm others. There probably are psychological disorders that are genetic, and cannot be caused by emotions alone, but rather, the genetic component probably explains the emotions or other traits that are exhibited (or lack thereof, in some cases) by people with such psychological disorders.

Thoughts?


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Straight away , your posts are very fun to read. You have a lot to say , and the way you say it is respectable. Very interesting, you are very clever. I underlined your post for myself, sort of took notes if you will.

Your information on the brain was very informative. Thank You.

I wont touch your theory of emotion, I think you could make it work though. I do not want to argue it. I encourage you to have any theories because you seem to be quite intelligent.

True, depression may not exist at all. Depression is an excuse in my opinion. Life is a complex system, or video game if you will. You win , you lose, you change , you try to keep the same. When someone gets stuck on a "level" and can not "level up" I think they just call the problem depression. Instead of example

"The problem is that I am hurt by the break up and afraid to move on in life"

Depression is like a blanket of arrogance. However as you mention yourself people also suffer from depression that is assumed to be biologically inflicted, meaning some depression is biological they say. A DA I get it...lol sorry. Sometimes I babble, like now.

It is like building a puzzle, life, you put all pieces to together to create an image that you call ultimate , reality. When you get stuck on that puzzle you sometimes call for help because simply you are in a state of mind set where it is hard to put the puzzle together. Depression is a state where socially everyone else knows you have a problem, because it is a negative thing to have. It is asking for help when things are too complicated, or simply giving up on yourself for a time being. What makes this weakness emotions, right you are. A logical mind would not give up when it knew the puzzle needs to be built, completed . An emotional person would because thoughts often become separate or altered by emotions. You are on to something there, logical I think. Emotions are separate from some thoughts, or are they not. Now, I have a theory lol. Hmmm I will save it.


It is anger that drives people to do harm to others; if you think logically, you would understand the consequences and seek not to harm others.

This was interesting because most great killers killed out of excitement. A very powerful question comes to my mind. Why does it not matter to everyone if they hurt others ? Do some people argue everything happens for a reason, and that it is fate . I could kill, (no I could not but if I was "insane" hehe) I could kill and say that it was his fate. I could find reasons for it. I could argue that it gives me peace of mind, or protects others.

There are many situations where some one may kill believing that some one is better off dead. Not in anger but in what they believe to be correct.

Not all harm or killing is done with anger , consider wars. Wars are not fought out of anger, all the time, amongst all soldiers, so what are they fought out of. Fear ?

Then again as yoda once said fear leads to anger.

 

[Annabell]

Some one once said everyone is insane in varying degrees. Well how insane are you, I myself am...WHOHOHOHOHO!!!


^^ Do you have ADD

Are you literally diagnosed with insanity ?

Do you think you are insane .

Do you ever question your sanity ?

Do we all question our sanity ?

I think I'm pretty sane...most of the time. I think I only lost my sanity once, and that was after I ate a ton of sugar, and I was like this: and I had a blond moment, and I was all wound up.

Other than that, I unfortunally have managed to keep my sanity pretty well. lol

 

[Contra Fates]

People may find me a little off-kilter sometimes, but I know I'm very sane. No disorders, no attention deficit disorders, nothing.

I may have some superstitious beliefs, but, I'm rather logical and sane otherwise.

 

[Erythritol]

People who think they're insane are not. People who are generally 'insane' (sociopathic, etc) think that they're relatively normal.

Honestly, I remember taking a psych course and having such a problem with it when we got to mental disorders. According to all those descriptions of mental disorders, almost everyone in the world has some sort of problem. I think, in general, America (I don't know much about Europe) over-diagnoses and over-prescribes. A little sad? You must have depression! Take a pill! Can't really pay attention? You must have ADD! Take a pill! It's getting a little ridiculous. What ever happened to coping with problems like a normal person without relying on medication? I realize that some people genuinely have mental disorders, and it's a good thing that there are medications that can help them. But honestly, almost everyone I've met has been or is currently on an anti-anxiety medication or an anti-depressant medication. That's just...strange. Why is the richest country in the world also one of the most miserable? I think people need to learn to cope with things and let things go. Daddy never loved you? Get over it. Life sucks sometimes. You will never have complete control over your life, and you won't always be happy. Accept it.

THAT SAID, I think I'm a perfectly normal person who experiences a full range of human emotions (including sadness, omg!). I don't think I have any disorders at all. The most I've been told is that I'm a cold person. Feh.

 

[Bambi]

I certainly question my sanity at times, I have been in some situations that have messed my head up abit and I'm still resolving some of these old 'issues'

I do have some epic mood swings tho, my mood can change with the direction of the wind sometimes

I wouldn't say I'm insane tho, just abit crazy

 

[Moogles]

What ever happened to coping with problems like a normal person without relying on medication?

Good question. When I was logging my observation hours in at a classroom recently, I became aware of a pretty unsettling fact: over half of the students in a room of 2nd graders were on medication to curb their "ADD." Ultimately, the teacher doesn't feel like dealing with children who cause disruptions regularly, so he/she recommends a nice helpin' of yummy ridilin. In most cases, the parents just assume the teacher knows best, agreeing to drug up their kid.

They're CHILDREN. They're supposed to care more about running around than about learning to write in cursive. Of course, there's cases where medication is necessary...but it's been taken way too far.

Whoops. All done! Now let's see here.

Some one once said everyone is insane in varying degrees. Well how insane are you, I myself am...WHOHOHOHOHO!!!


^^ Do you have ADD

Are you literally diagnosed with insanity ?

Do you think you are insane .

Do you ever question your sanity ?

Do we all question our sanity ?

I don't believe I'm insane. I recall having a bit of social anxiety a few years back, but that pretty much blew over. I wouldn't call a socially anxious person insane anyway. I'm just weird. Certainly not mentally deranged or anything of the sort.

People who are generally 'insane' (sociopathic, etc) think that they're relatively normal.

That sorta makes me uneasy. I'm sure that doesn't apply to me. *thumbs up*

 

[der Astronom]

It is anger that drives people to do harm to others; if you think logically, you would understand the consequences and seek not to harm others.

This was interesting because most great killers killed out of excitement. A very powerful question comes to my mind. Why does it not matter to everyone if they hurt others ? Do some people argue everything happens for a reason, and that it is fate . I could kill, (no I could not but if I was "insane" hehe) I could kill and say that it was his fate. I could find reasons for it. I could argue that it gives me peace of mind, or protects others.

There are many situations where some one may kill believing that some one is better off dead. Not in anger but in what they believe to be correct.

Not all harm or killing is done with anger , consider wars. Wars are not fought out of anger, all the time, amongst all soldiers, so what are they fought out of. Fear ?

Then again as yoda once said fear leads to anger.

I guess I should have been more specific with that, because I was referring to harm done out of anger specifically. And I guess conversely, it would be easier for someone who thinks rationally to kill people if he were absolutely sure he had a way of doing it without getting caught--and in such a way that is so logical but subtle that no one else can understand it, not unlike any other genius that we've been discussing thus far. Which is kind of scary, because they are, literally, quite insane or quite genius. Or both.

 

[Erythritol]

I guess I should have been more specific with that, because I was referring to harm done out of anger specifically. And I guess conversely, it would be easier for someone who thinks rationally to kill people if he were absolutely sure he had a way of doing it without getting caught--and in such a way that is so logical but subtle that no one else can understand it, not unlike any other genius that we've been discussing thus far. Which is kind of scary, because they are, literally, quite insane or quite genius. Or both.

Insanity and genius don't have to be mutually exclusive. Someone who is what psychologists might have defined as "insane" can be a genius.

At the point where someone is murdering someone else for a completely rational and coherent reason, I wouldn't personally label that person insane. A bit extreme maybe, but not exactly insane. Unless of course the person feels absolutely no remorse for their crime, in which case I'd be tempted to think that they're a bit of a sociopath. Even then, I don't think sociopaths are necessarily "insane." They're relatively rational; they just lack some basic human emotions like empathy. That doesn't make them insane. I liked reading "L’Étranger" by Camus for that reason-- the main character was some what of a sociopath, but certainly not insane by any stretch. It was an interesting first-person view.

 

[der Astronom]

I wasn't pointing out why they murdered people, only that they accomplished it in a way which few people are able to figure out who actually did it, because they used a logical method of hiding it. I just compared their cleverness in finding such methods with those of some geniuses, whom some people might consider insane because they don't understand their ideas.

 

[Hera Ledro]

Do you have ADD?

Yes, I do, but a very mild case.

Are you literally diagnosed with insanity?

I've never been tested. Likely they'd find me to have DID, Dissociate Identity Disorder, or a Multiple Personality Disorder. Issue here is that I am aware of all my personalities, and they are all aware of me. We also all have joint control of my body; Hera, for example, only takes control of my body when I say so, and it goes likewise with the other personalities. There is no issue of communication, and we are all rather friendly with each other.

Do you think you are insane?

Not really, but anybody who hears my jokes would say different

Do you ever question your sanity?

Every time I finish math class. Neither me, nor Hera, are any good at Math. It does seem to be changing, though; I actually got a B on my midterm.

Do we all question our sanity?

Probably at one time or another. I think I'm insane because I think I have DID. The pissy thing is that everybody thinks I fake it; DID is a literal disorder.

 

[Amizon]

Let's put it this way, shall we? I just laugh and start giggling hysterically for no apparent reason.