Multiple Platforms Devil May Cry

[Dragon Mage]

Well, I have a pretty standard post for this game so here it be.

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Nero was a nice guy. Smarmy, not as witty as Dante, definitely had his immaturity problems, and had a seriously lethal case of puppy-love for Weak Pathetic Sister-Bitch. (I really hated her....) His arm-majigger was pretty cool, gotta admit, but I felt like I was cheating every time I played.

I mean, the fun thing about DMC is that it's so friggin hard at first, right? But then you really get into it and start wiping the walls with demons and you get so pumped up and you're like "COME ON!!!!" as the demon hordes are rushing towards you because you know you can take it nothing can stop you!!!

*Ahem*

In any case, Nero felt like a cop-out of that very difficulty. Sure, it may take you a few deaths to get the real hang of things, but once you do, DMC is sheer bloody fun. Nero? Just hit the one button and look bored.

It'd be great if Nero were like a second playable/unlockable character in the next game, similar to what they did with DMC2 (the only good thing about that game...)

Oh. A note on DMC2: That game is so easy it's pathetic. It even has a legit WIN button. Just upgrade the rocket launcher. Everything goes piff. The end!

Returning to the matter at had: If Nero was shown slightly more grown up (he can keep his rebel attitude I guess, I don't really care) and perhaps his character a little powered downthis time would also be great.

And here's another thing I'd really love to see. I'm going to make it big and slanted so you all see it:

A PLAYABLE POWERFUL FEMALE CHARACTER THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A SLUT, HAS MODEST CURVES, AND ACTUALLY KICKS SOME SERIOUS ASS.

I don't ask much, really. Just something for all us gamer gals out there that likes to play a sweet action game without having oversized mammaries being jiggled in our face. It may be great for you guys out there, but for us, it reduces the quality of that character as little more than a sexual tease. I personally feel offended that there is no playable female character in any of the newer games that is publicly decent. I mean, Dante is awesome-sauce all the way, for sure! But it'd be nice to see a complementing character, ya know? I just wish they'd finally put such a character into the games. *grumble*

 

[Talbain]

"A PLAYABLE POWERFUL FEMALE CHARACTER THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A SLUT, HAS MODEST CURVES, AND ACTUALLY KICKS SOME SERIOUS ASS."

You do realize that the vast majority of games out there are designed by men, for men? Everyone looks unusually attractive in male-oriented action games. God of War, Tomb Raider, Bayonetta, the whole gamut- they're all pretty much the same. If you want "modest", normal looking female lead you should probably play some Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia or something. I mean, your selection is pretty limited.

 

[Fusionist]

Haha, I friggin' loved Dante in DMC4. When you control him, the scenes where he takes on the bosses Nero defeated the first time were hilarious. He's still as epic as ever xD

I'm still trying to figure out his relationship with Trish. I mean, it would seem obvious with her coy attitude around him, but c'mon....She was made to look like his mom D=

But I like Nero too. I got a thing for young, brash boys in love, so while it's a "ugh, cliche", I've still become rather fond of Nero :3

Kyrie was just...there. I didn't hate her, but she wasn't anyone special worth noting. I found out more about her from the manual than in the game >_>

As for female character design, I agree that there's more than the necessary amount of sexual appeal (that ice frog boss, those naked girl antennas he had, I'm pretty sure they were making out with eachother at least a few times >_>). I like Lady since she had a punk-vibe going for her which balances out her hawtness.

But to be fair, Dante, Nero, and even Vergil are pretty hawt themselves, so I'd like to think the female gamers are being catered to as well

And let's face it - what part of a man's anatomy would we want to see jiggle the way a woman's bosom does? xD

 

[Dragon Mage]

You do realize that the vast majority of games out there are designed by men, for men? Everyone looks unusually attractive in male-oriented action games. God of War, Tomb Raider, Bayonetta, the whole gamut- they're all pretty much the same. If you want "modest", normal looking female lead you should probably play some Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia or something. I mean, your selection is pretty limited.

I do realize that most games (currently at least, but this is rapidly changing as women are entering the industry) are made by men, but that doesn't mean that all games MUST BE MADE FOR MEN.

Believe it, pumpkin, but girls do game. There's more and more of them all the time, and it's about time these game makers started to realize that they shouldn't sexualize, objectify, and isolate a growing portion of their consumer base in their product. It's just bad business and doesn't promise a healthy incentive for sales.

Like I said, all I want is a reasonable female character -- one who's jiggle factor is not measure on a scale of a trillion to LOL. One who plays a strong combat role and can do it without the chainmail bikini or second-skin leather straps.

Then again, this IS a Japanese game, so I guess it's to be expected -- for a country that's so renowned for adapting and changing so rapidly, they sure do like to stick to antiquated ideas that cast women as inferior or token sex symbols! Let me put it this way -- I want a female character in DMC like the kind you would find in a Western RPG (Mass Effect is a good example).

I don't ask much. And you shouldn't complain so much. If you want porn, the internet is rife with it. But please keep it out of my games.

 

[Altair]

The only game that i played in the series was DMC2. It wasn't the best game in the series. It lacked drama. It was basicly here's you mission. not gonna tell ya how to get there just wonder around aimlessly until you find it.

 

[West]

I do realize that most games (currently at least, but this is rapidly changing as women are entering the industry) are made by men, but that doesn't mean that all games MUST BE MADE FOR MEN.

I agree with your post 100%, but unfortunately the fact of the matter is that men are the target demographic. Even though girls do play video games, there are more men that do. It's a smart move sales-wise to attract as many people from a sure demographic than it is to risk sales by attempting to appeal to women. It isn't right at all, but that's how it goes.

Besides, just because a female character in a game has an unrealistically gorgeous body doesn't mean that the gameplay can't be enjoyable.

The only game that i played in the series was DMC2.

That's the worst thing you could do to yourself. Play ANY of the other games. DMC2 is pretty much unanimously agreed to be the worst of the series.

 

[Davey Gaga]

I do realize that most games (currently at least, but this is rapidly changing as women are entering the industry) are made by men, but that doesn't mean that all games MUST BE MADE FOR MEN.

Believe it, pumpkin, but girls do game. There's more and more of them all the time, and it's about time these game makers started to realize that they shouldn't sexualize, objectify, and isolate a growing portion of their consumer base in their product. It's just bad business and doesn't promise a healthy incentive for sales.

Like I said, all I want is a reasonable female character -- one who's jiggle factor is not measure on a scale of a trillion to LOL. One who plays a strong combat role and can do it without the chainmail bikini or second-skin leather straps.

Then again, this IS a Japanese game, so I guess it's to be expected -- for a country that's so renowned for adapting and changing so rapidly, they sure do like to stick to antiquated ideas that cast women as inferior or token sex symbols! Let me put it this way -- I want a female character in DMC like the kind you would find in a Western RPG (Mass Effect is a good example).

I don't ask much. And you shouldn't complain so much. If you want porn, the internet is rife with it. But please keep it out of my games.

I take it everyone completely missed the start of DMC III where about 5 minutes of the intro involves a topless Dante with a ridiculous body prancing around on his own fighting monsters. That's exactly the same as "sexualising and objectifying women" but you don't hear men complaining about it.

And it's not porn, it's just much more appealing to see a vuluptuous woman on your screen than a flat-chested or fat woman, isn't it?

 

[West]

And it's not porn, it's just much more appealing to see a vuluptuous woman on your screen than a flat-chested or fat woman, isn't it?

To be honest, I found Lady from DMC3 to be the most attractive DMC girl, and she's by far the least voluptuous.

I mean, until DMC4 happened and they took her clothes away.

 

[Davey Gaga]

I'm talking from a more general point of view than a case-by-case basis...most guys prefer the unrealistic female and most girls prefer the unrealistic male

 

[Dragon Mage]

<!-- google_ad_section_start -->I used to play DMC but not anymore since they fucked with the story by adding Nero and confirming that Vergil's his father and shit.

That tripe of a claim is FALSE. It was said as much in a "novel" made by one of the scenario writers of the game AFTER he left the company. So is it canon? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Besides, Vergil would have to be around 8 or 9 years old in order to be Nero's father. I really don't have to explain what a downright silly concept of Nero being Vergil-son is.

'Cause in the second game, Dante goes to the demon world at the end of the game but he's still hanging around in DMC4 so I'm not sure...

Unfortunately, despite my utter loathing for the second game, the company is holding that game as if it actually happened (despite my fervent prayers that they try to forget ever making that hideous game).

The timeline sequence of the games goes like so:

DMC3 --- DMC1 --- DMC2 --- DMC4


So in DMC2, we see that Dante is merrily stuck in the world of Hell. Recall that in the second or third major cutscene of the game (right where Nero gets the Red Queen) Nero says, "Fortuna Castle, huh? The guy just got back from hell! Guess he has to hit up a couple of tourist sites!"

Here, it is MADE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that DMC4 takes place after DMC2 and that Dante has just made his way out of hell. That endeavor took him about a year or so. The time between DMC3 (the earliest setting) to DMC4 (the latest setting) is 10 years.





On the topic of who the hell Nero is, I'm guessing he's some poor sap that Vergil's soul/will/concious/whatever! metastasized to. I'm mean, he hear's Vergil in his head, aye? Yamato went flying to him because something that knew how to do that did it for Nero; If I were Vergil and I was riding around in that kid's arm, I'd go out of my way to protect him too! I think it goes without saying though that Capcom doesn't know what the hell is going on either, so any amount of speculation is perfectly fine! But the whole 'descendant of sparda' thing?

HA HA no

I agree with your post 100%, but unfortunately the fact of the matter is that men are the target demographic. Even though girls do play video games, there are more men that do. It's a smart move sales-wise to attract as many people from a sure demographic than it is to risk sales by attempting to appeal to women. It isn't right at all, but that's how it goes.

Besides, just because a female character in a game has an unrealistically gorgeous body doesn't mean that the gameplay can't be enjoyable.

This is true, the percentages of male/female gamers at the moment is female 45%, male 55%. So there's 10% more male gamers than female. That being said, that's not a very big gap between the two, and it's closing more every year. Game company's should look into avoiding the stereotypical sex-idol female characters because, despite common belief, we gamer gals are very much aware of it! Bayonetta is not an exception to that stereotype. Tomb Raider is the best example so far; that and Ginchiyo from Samurai Warriors 2 and Lighting from FF13. There's probably a few others, but sadly not within my knowledge.

In any case! I totally agree about the gorgeous body thing -- by all means, give her a gorgeous body! But is it really necessary to clothe that body in lacy spandex that barely keeps her decent? (a la Gloria) And seriously, couldn't you spend all that code and time and computing power for the jiggle physics on something ELSE worthwhile? Why is it SO HARD to make a female PC that wears jeans and a combat vest? If you must have big boobs, fine, put them in if it's so dire to have them. Female characters do not have to be hyper sexualized. If they gave a female the same care to design, attitude, and ability as they do with, say, Dante for example, then you'll end up with another badass character that people will love. I'd like them to stop focusing on the boobies for a change and come up with a badass (but still attractive) female character. Think of it as creating a Dantette, if that makes it easier. You're not 'losing' anything, you're just making the character that much more awesome.

I take it everyone completely missed the start of DMC III where about 5 minutes of the intro involves a topless Dante with a ridiculous body prancing around on his own fighting monsters. That's exactly the same as "sexualising and objectifying women" but you don't hear men complaining about it.

And it's not porn, it's just much more appealing to see a vuluptuous woman on your screen than a flat-chested or fat woman, isn't it?

Okay, first, bigger boobs does not mean greater attractiveness. There is a point where it just becomes and outright deformity. If you like big boobs, well that's your preference, but do they have to be a D-cup before being considered 'okay'? There are plenty of sexy and attractive women out there with smaller-than-D-cup sizes out there. A very ugly and out-of-shape person could have D's and that fact would not make them look any better. It is the appearance and condition of the person as a whole that makes them attractive, and in such cases, bigger boobs may not look as good. Take a very athletic, attractive woman. Her physical fitness (and assuming she has the most desired hourglass body shape) makes her look proportionate and therefore beautiful. If you take one feature of that proportionate body -- like her boobs -- and grossly enlarge them, she wouldn't look as attractive. Her entire shape would be awkward and distorted looking.

Basically, you can have boobs as big as you want, but the rest of her would have to be in proportion to them or else they'll look like a deformity and not fit into the Golden Ratio. In fact, it's the Golden Ratio that makes people seem attractive, not because they enlarged on part of their body.


In any case, the 'shirtless Dante' thing just doesn't hold water. For one, it was for a very brief amount of time. In DMC4, Lady and Trish have the same over-sexualized bodies at all times. And their revealing clothing has never changed from game to game, either! Whereas Dante finally gets a shirt by the end of the third game. See how your 5 minutes of 'derp Dante doesn't have a shirt!' isn't the same as the consistent character design of the starring female characters in the game?

Aye. I thought so. =3

As for female character design, I agree that there's more than the necessary amount of sexual appeal (that ice frog boss, those naked girl antennas he had, I'm pretty sure they were making out with eachother at least a few times >_>). I like Lady since she had a punk-vibe going for her which balances out her hawtness.

But to be fair, Dante, Nero, and even Vergil are pretty hawt themselves, so I'd like to think the female gamers are being catered to as well

And let's face it - what part of a man's anatomy would we want to see jiggle the way a woman's bosom does? xD

I'm okay when they take the hyper-sexuality for the enemy. I mean, come on, they're demons. They're supposed to be the bad-guy portrayal and are meant to embody things like lust. But when your protagonist female have all those 'lusty' attributes? Um, no, I really don't like what that says.

And you're very right, X, Y, and Z are pretty smokin' but they also carry a level of badassness about them in addition to aesthetic appeal. Whereas the female characters are pretty much 'Well, she's just really sexy and jiggles a lot.' Sure, Lady got a number of badass cutscenes to show off her badass side, but similar scenes were missing in DMC4. I do not count that scene with Gloria because that was one step away from erotica. <_< I was half expecting her to smex the demons to death or beat them with her obnoxiously big mammaries.

But really, the greatest thing we love about these characters is their ability to utterly and awesomely kick much ass and have fun at it. Why can't we have a female character that does that? And can do it with a shirt on!

and LMAO, you DO have a point about the jiggly man-parts. In this, I do concede!

 

[Fusionist]

About Nero's origins, it was said he had Sparda's blood running through him, so for now (since no one can disprove it, haha) Imma gonna go with the idea that he's Dante and Virgil's baby bro from a different mama (or the same one - maybe she gave birth before she died?)

'Cause I don't think it was Vergil specifically that could handle Yamamato - Dante could as well, so I'd prefer to think it was a blood thing *shrugs*

But there was a un-canon novel about this? I'd be lying if I said I wasn't curious

 

[West]

So in DMC2, we see that Dante is merrily stuck in the world of Hell. Recall that in the second or third major cutscene of the game (right where Nero gets the Red Queen) Nero says, "Fortuna Castle, huh? The guy just got back from hell! Guess he has to hit up a couple of tourist sites!"

I never realized that. I--like many people--believe that DMC4 was before DMC2. Actually, I'm going to be stubborn and still believe that.

That bit could be pretty convincing, except I think it would be just as reasonable to assume that Nero didn't even know who Dante was at the time, or if anyone had known that Dante had gone to hell to begin with. Besides that, seeing as how that line of dialogue is the only indication of any relationship with DMC2's story (unless I've forgotten something else), I just find it difficult to accept that it is the single bit of absolute evidence that proves DMC2 comes before DMC4.

I guess what really makes me uncomfortable with the idea is Dante's personality--and I think you can guess exactly what I mean by that: in all of the games except for DMC2, Dante is a cocky jackass. It would make more sense to have the games where he's a loud-mouth in chronological order, instead of shoving a time period during which he's a much quieter, more serious and "mature" character right between the games in which he acts totally different.

And I was always a bit entertained by the thought that, although Capcom is keeping DMC2 canon, they were just pushing it so far away from the rest of the series in both atmosphere and chronological time that they could still act as though it never happened.

Yet I would like to hear solid confirmation one way or another from the developer. Even though DMC2 is the worst of the series, it still bears the DMC title and I'd hate it even more if they tried to pass it off like it wasn't canon. I'd like to see some sort of acknowledgment of a timeline that includes DMC2.

EDIT: As for Nero's origins, I refuse to believe he is related to the Sparda bloodline in any way other than his arm being possessed by Vergil's essence (or however you want to word that). The entire time we've been told that there were two boys who were twins and that's it. If they pull some kind of "el-oh-el, just kidding guys there were really three kids" nonsense, I'd be super mad. I find the concept of Nero being Vergil's son just as ridiculous. In my head, Nero was just a more-or-less regular kid who happened to find himself in an unusual predicament.

Every time anyone referred to Nero having the blood of Sparda, I just played it off that they were sensing the essence of Vergil/Yamato.

 

[Tipsynaruto]

@ Dragon Mage


But the fact of the matter is that people demand eye candy, regardless of gender. Games have to make something striking in their main character rather than average mr joe bob. The main characters are meant to stand out from the crowd. I guess the way games do it is by either providing a ridiculously good looking male character, having a ridiculously voluptuous female, a really burly male or let you choose how you want to look. Do you really want to be looking for over 20+ hours at a really plain guy?

Personally, i do not need my character to have DD chests for me to find good looking. I agree in that they should make the females less skanky and busty and work on maybe making their face better and a nicely made knight armour would awe me just as much as Bayonetta's hair/latex looking suit.

As for having less on the jiggly and more on character to make them badass, i thought bayonetta was pretty badass. Granted she is seen as a sex icon, but i dont think that that had made her into a substandard character in terms of being kickass.

 

[Dragon Mage]

I never realized that. I--like many people--believe that DMC4 was before DMC2. Actually, I'm going to be stubborn and still believe that.

That bit could be pretty convincing, except I think it would be just as reasonable to assume that Nero didn't even know who Dante was at the time, or if anyone had known that Dante had gone to hell to begin with. Besides that, seeing as how that line of dialogue is the only indication of any relationship with DMC2's story (unless I've forgotten something else), I just find it difficult to accept that it is the single bit of absolute evidence that proves DMC2 comes before DMC4.

I guess what really makes me uncomfortable with the idea is Dante's personality--and I think you can guess exactly what I mean by that: in all of the games except for DMC2, Dante is a cocky jackass. It would make more sense to have the games where he's a loud-mouth in chronological order, instead of shoving a time period during which he's a much quieter, more serious and "mature" character right between the games in which he acts totally different.

GARG! Don't be stubborn! Dante is a famous demon slayer. If you read some of the flavor text in the manuals that come with the first and second game, you can read a 'conversation' with another demon hunter about some of the eccentric and awesome stuff Dante has been rumored to achieve. So yeah, it isn't all that hard for Nero or anyone else to know who Dante is, if only by reputation. Besides, this is an order dedicated to worshipping Sparda -- do you really think they won't know about the existence of Sparda's sons? Yeah.

And where cutscenes are short and the lines spoken in them even shorter, whatever material/hints/references/exposition they put into those spoken lines means a lot. I think it's a clear indication that DMC4 is after DMC2. I mean... how ELSE would you interpret that line? It HAS to mean that Dante just got out of 'hell' or whatever. And considering, that wouldn't be very hard for him to do. All he'd have to do is 1) find a rather powerful demon, 2) kick its' ass, and 3) make it open a portal to the human world. Shit, they could make a game out of that!

And you know, I agree with you entirely on disliking number 2. As I've said previously in this thread, the first game was awesome because it had this character that I expected to be emo (a la: 'my evil heritage haunts me, woe woe, angst, angst') but is the utter opposite! And in the second game, they made that funny, smart-mouth character into something with the personality of a boring rock. Not even a interesting rock, but a boring one! Horrible.

The developers are acting like they entirely forgot what they did in 2, probably because of the outcry from the fans. I mean, in 3 and 4, Dante is the same ol' smart-mouth kook we all love to play. So 2 was just a mistake -- the developers went for the more 'vincent-like' demeanor (right down to the eyes), and it totally screwed it up, no one liked it. So they went back to what everyone did like. Keeping his attitude in the games in chronological order has nothing to do with it. It was just a developer mistake.

And I was always a bit entertained by the thought that, although Capcom is keeping DMC2 canon, they were just pushing it so far away from the rest of the series in both atmosphere and chronological time that they could still act as though it never happened.

Yet I would like to hear solid confirmation one way or another from the developer. Even though DMC2 is the worst of the series, it still bears the DMC title and I'd hate it even more if they tried to pass it off like it wasn't canon. I'd like to see some sort of acknowledgment of a timeline that includes DMC2.

LOL, yeah, who wouldn't try and act like such a horrible screw-up never happened?

Solid confirmation?

._.

Son, are you crazy? DMC is one franchise where the developers are more clamed-up than even the FF series! You can't get SHIT outta them. But, if it helps:

http://ps3.gamespy.com/playstation-3/devil_may_cry_4/809520p2.html

Now here, the guy says 3, 1, 4, but he doesn't mention 2. So 2 could be before or after 4. The asshat never says!

The same guy says the 3, 1, 4, 2, order that you hold to here: http://www.gamersyde.com/news_5793_en.html

But that guy is just the producer. I don't know how much a producer works on a game over in Japan, but in America, the producer is just the guy that produces the money for the project.

Not to mention his claims DIRECTLY CONTRADICT THE IN-GAME DIALOGUE. What game does Dante go to hell? #2. What game does someone say he comes out of hell? #4

It's too bloody obvious.

But the fact of the matter is that people demand eye candy, regardless of gender. Games have to make something striking in their main character rather than average mr joe bob. The main characters are meant to stand out from the crowd. I guess the way games do it is by either providing a ridiculously good looking male character, having a ridiculously voluptuous female, a really burly male or let you choose how you want to look. Do you really want to be looking for over 20+ hours at a really plain guy?

Personally, i do not need my character to have DD chests for me to find good looking. I agree in that they should make the females less skanky and busty and work on maybe making their face better and a nicely made knight armour would awe me just as much as Bayonetta's hair/latex looking suit.

As for having less on the jiggly and more on character to make them badass, i thought bayonetta was pretty badass. Granted she is seen as a sex icon, but i dont think that that had made her into a substandard character in terms of being kickass.

That's true, people DO demand eye candy.

And more power to ya for wanting less skanky women in video games! Honestly, getting a close-up of Gloria's ass (oh, and pointing the camera right down her cleavage, too, as if any of it was covered up) really doesn't make a cool, or even memorable, character. You see that character and are like "oooo lol boobies" and forget about them until they appear again. But if you make that female character plain cool looking, well, then, you've got a character people want to see more of. And that means more storyline/money for the company. It's a wonder why they haven't done it already...

Sorry, I got off topic there. Bayonetta was okay -- her HAIR was part of her outfit though, so... everytime you used an attack that used her hair.... I think that was more fanboy service, myself. :\

But she was definitely badass, and that's a very large reason why people love the game. She also gets points for rockin' those glasses. =3

But there was a un-canon novel about this? I'd be lying if I said I wasn't curious

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No, seriously, it's some pretty bad stuff. But the books are all in Japanese, though, so.... yeah.

But, if your curiosity just keeps nagging ya, here's a summary one die-hard fan of the series made of the 2 novels.

ABANDON ALL HOPE, YE WHO ENTER HERE

http://www.devils-lair.org/dmc4novel.html

 

[West]

GARG! Don't be stubborn! Dante is a famous demon slayer. If you read some of the flavor text in the manuals that come with the first and second game, you can read a 'conversation' with another demon hunter about some of the eccentric and awesome stuff Dante has been rumored to achieve. So yeah, it isn't all that hard for Nero or anyone else to know who Dante is, if only by reputation. Besides, this is an order dedicated to worshipping Sparda -- do you really think they won't know about the existence of Sparda's sons? Yeah.

Haha, sorry; I just had to be stubborn. But, I mean, they'd know of him, but maybe they wouldn't realize that that's who it is at the time. I dunno. I do agree that it would make just as much sense to have 4 after 2, but it doesn't sit well for the aforementioned reasons. Which, I will admit, are pretty weak reasons.

And where cutscenes are short and the lines spoken in them even shorter, whatever material/hints/references/exposition they put into those spoken lines means a lot. I think it's a clear indication that DMC4 is after DMC2. I mean... how ELSE would you interpret that line? It HAS to mean that Dante just got out of 'hell' or whatever.

Maybe Nero is all like "Hey, this dude is wicked powerful, he's probably a demon" and just spoke the line as a generalization or something.

And considering, that wouldn't be very hard for him to do. All he'd have to do is 1) find a rather powerful demon, 2) kick its' ass, and 3) make it open a portal to the human world. Shit, they could make a game out of that!

I would play the crap out of that game.

And you know, I agree with you entirely on disliking number 2. As I've said previously in this thread, the first game was awesome because it had this character that I expected to be emo (a la: 'my evil heritage haunts me, woe woe, angst, angst') but is the utter opposite! And in the second game, they made that funny, smart-mouth character into something with the personality of a boring rock. Not even a interesting rock, but a boring one! Horrible.

I have to admit, I always thought DMC2 Dante was a pretty cool guy. He looks totally badass, and even though he isn't the loud, arrogant ass that we know and love, he just had a badass aura about him. Anyway, I don't think DMC2 is that terrible of a game, but it is the worst of the series.

Son, are you crazy? DMC is one franchise where the developers are more clamed-up than even the FF series! You can't get SHIT outta them. But, if it helps:

http://ps3.gamespy.com/playstation-3/devil_may_cry_4/809520p2.html

Now here, the guy says 3, 1, 4, but he doesn't mention 2. So 2 could be before or after 4. The asshat never says!

The same guy says the 3, 1, 4, 2, order that you hold to here: http://www.gamersyde.com/news_5793_en.html

But that guy is just the producer. I don't know how much a producer works on a game over in Japan, but in America, the producer is just the guy that produces the money for the project.

A boy can dream, can't he? While I don't expect direct confirmation, it'd still be nice.

Anyway, I took a look at those interviews. As for the second one, even though he's just a producer, he seemed to know a lot about what was going on with the project.

I like the idea of DMC2 before DMC4. But DMC2 Dante is just way too different. Call it a developer error, but that's how he is, and they can't change it. Unless they remake it or something, which I doubt they'll ever do since they seem to want to forget they made it a first time to begin with.

And more power to ya for wanting less skanky women in video games! Honestly, getting a close-up of Gloria's ass (oh, and pointing the camera right down her cleavage, too, as if any of it was covered up) really doesn't make a cool, or even memorable, character. You see that character and are like "oooo lol boobies" and forget about them until they appear again. But if you make that female character plain cool looking, well, then, you've got a character people want to see more of. And that means more storyline/money for the company. It's a wonder why they haven't done it already...

Sorry, I got off topic there. Bayonetta was okay -- her HAIR was part of her outfit though, so... everytime you used an attack that used her hair.... I think that was more fanboy service, myself. :\

I always get pretty uncomfortable when I'm playing a game and something "sexy" happens, such as the close-ups of Gloria's... Gloria-zones. Okay, she's supposed to be attractive. I get that. I got it when I saw that she wears half of an outfit. Let me enjoy my game without having sultry women literally being shoved into my face.

And I hated the concept of Bayonetta becoming increasingly nude during combat. In fact, the over-the-top sexiness was probably the main contributing factor as to why I didn't pick it up immediately. Which... I guess is kind of weird, since I'm a guy and everything.

 

[Dragon Mage]

Haha, sorry; I just had to be stubborn. But, I mean, they'd know of him, but maybe they wouldn't realize that that's who it is at the time. I dunno. I do agree that it would make just as much sense to have 4 after 2, but it doesn't sit well for the aforementioned reasons. Which, I will admit, are pretty weak reasons.

Blah, I can't blame ya. It's pretty weak reasoning all around. I just checked the library files of DMC4 last night, though, and it says that Dante has 'become a legend in his own right' so I guess that means he's fairly well known in certain circles. But yeah, thanks to the writers being different for every... single... game.... that means very little stays consistent. Plot folks like us will have an aneurysm before they make a consistent plot and reasoning.

Oh well. Who cares about plot in action games, right? It's all about the ass-kicking!

Maybe Nero is all like "Hey, this dude is wicked powerful, he's probably a demon" and just spoke the line as a generalization or something.

*jaw hits floor*

Holy crap... I never thought of it that way. OMG you're right... you mean, he thinks Dante is a demon fresh from hell? Holy shit, that makes sense.... he DID say 'you aren't human' after that fight, didn't he?

Oh mah gawd....

Damn it, West! Now you've got ME wondering! *sniff*

I would play the crap out of that game.

*grins* Me too! =3

I have to admit, I always thought DMC2 Dante was a pretty cool guy. He looks totally badass, and even though he isn't the loud, arrogant ass that we know and love, he just had a badass aura about him. Anyway, I don't think DMC2 is that terrible of a game, but it is the worst of the series.

He was pretty cool, in his own right. But it was something that was just totallynot expected that people around the world were like 'WTF!?' and that coolness was kinda ignored. Not to mention that the game was WAY too easy. Upgrade the rocket launcher. Everything dies in a few shots. Whoop-dee-do-da-yay.

But then, 3 was infamous for how hard it was. Which I didn't really mind, but it makes the harder difficulty modes nigh impossible. Bewulf? On DMD mode? HA HA HA HA HA

I like the idea of DMC2 before DMC4. But DMC2 Dante is just way too different. Call it a developer error, but that's how he is, and they can't change it. Unless they remake it or something, which I doubt they'll ever do since they seem to want to forget they made it a first time to begin with.

Oi. Very true. Not to mention I'd rather have them spend time and money making DMC5 instead of re-making a previous game because it was so fail-tastic.

I always get pretty uncomfortable when I'm playing a game and something "sexy" happens, such as the close-ups of Gloria's... Gloria-zones. Okay, she's supposed to be attractive. I get that. I got it when I saw that she wears half of an outfit. Let me enjoy my game without having sultry women literally being shoved into my face.

And I hated the concept of Bayonetta becoming increasingly nude during combat. In fact, the over-the-top sexiness was probably the main contributing factor as to why I didn't pick it up immediately. Which... I guess is kind of weird, since I'm a guy and everything.

I wub you!

You are a rare, rare gem indeed! *squggles* There seriously needs to be more guys out there like you!

And it isn't weird at all to not like over-the-top SMEX in your game even being the gender you are. Company's assume that guys like half-naked women in their games, so they put them in. The sad thing is, because those games are being bought (for whatever reason, be it plot, gameplay, characters, or because it just looked neat) gamers that don't necessarily like that kind of thing are still sending the message that they do. It's really down to the point where gaming guys have to say, it isn't fun or interesting to have half-naked women in games. It isn't alright with us.

*sigh* But that's a day far in coming.

And what's truly ridiculous is, and anyone can tell you this, the less you see the more interesting it is. Sex appeal is kinda like well-made horror/mystery movies -- the less you see, the more interested and curious you become. Why game company's haven't figured this out yet, the hell if I know! But it's getting damn annoying.

 

[West]

Oh well. Who cares about plot in action games, right? It's all about the ass-kicking!

This is true. The stylish action is what it's all about.

*jaw hits floor*

Holy crap... I never thought of it that way. OMG you're right... you mean, he thinks Dante is a demon fresh from hell? Holy shit, that makes sense.... he DID say 'you aren't human' after that fight, didn't he?

Oh mah gawd....

Damn it, West! Now you've got ME wondering! *sniff*

Ha! Sorry!

Also: I am impressed at how easily you're able to recall dialogue from scenes. I had to toss in DMC4 the other night to watch the cutscene where Nero said that "the guy just got back from hell".

He was pretty cool, in his own right. But it was something that was just totallynot expected that people around the world were like 'WTF!?' and that coolness was kinda ignored. Not to mention that the game was WAY too easy. Upgrade the rocket launcher. Everything dies in a few shots. Whoop-dee-do-da-yay.

But then, 3 was infamous for how hard it was. Which I didn't really mind, but it makes the harder difficulty modes nigh impossible. Bewulf? On DMD mode? HA HA HA HA HA

Yeah, that's a fair enough point. He was cool, he just wasn't the Dante we expected, so his coolness was kind of overshadowed.

And geeze, forget DMD mode--I can barely manage the games on Hard difficultly. Despite how much I really enjoy them, I'm kind of relatively terrible at them.

Oi. Very true. Not to mention I'd rather have them spend time and money making DMC5 instead of re-making a previous game because it was so fail-tastic.

Speaking of which, I poked around the other week to see if there was any word of a DMC5 in production yet. They'd better be getting on that soon.

I wub you!

You are a rare, rare gem indeed! *squggles* There seriously needs to be more guys out there like you!

And it isn't weird at all to not like over-the-top SMEX in your game even being the gender you are. Company's assume that guys like half-naked women in their games, so they put them in. The sad thing is, because those games are being bought (for whatever reason, be it plot, gameplay, characters, or because it just looked neat) gamers that don't necessarily like that kind of thing are still sending the message that they do. It's really down to the point where gaming guys have to say, it isn't fun or interesting to have half-naked women in games. It isn't alright with us.

*sigh* But that's a day far in coming.

Haha, thanks.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I still think DMC3 Lady is the most attractive DMC girl so far. I know that she shows a lot of skin, but I never felt that she did so in a skanky way. I thought her outfit was more "cool" than "slutty". (But that all changed in DMC4, unfortunately.) More than anything, I just always thought she was cute. And for me, "cute" beats "sexy" every day.

It's kind of funny, because this sort of conversation came up between me and some of my roommates the other day when one of them was playing the Bayonetta demo on my 360. He knows I'm a huge DMC fan, and he asked why I didn't pick up Bayonetta, and instead of taking the time to explain it, I just told him it was because "It's toooooo sexy". He laughed and was all "...what?", so then I had to tell him that it weirded me out a bit to have a woman get increasingly nude as I use special attacks on my screen and stuff like that, and he just laughed.

As a side note, I forget what game those guys were playing later, but something happened in a cutscene (it was probably when one of them was playing Ninja Gaiden Black and the game introduced Rachel) and the friend I had been talking to announced that what was happening on the screen was "Tooooooo sexy" in the voice I had used to describe Bayonetta, and we all had a good chuckle.

And what's truly ridiculous is, and anyone can tell you this, the less you see the more interesting it is. Sex appeal is kinda like well-made horror/mystery movies -- the less you see, the more interested and curious you become. Why game company's haven't figured this out yet, the hell if I know! But it's getting damn annoying.

I absolutely agree. Actually, earlier today I was putting some science fiction books away at the bookstore I work at, and I was looking at the covers. On a bunch of them, there were half-naked girls with swords or guns or some such thing. But then there was one with a girl who was wearing a big trench-coat-lookin' thing, and I was all "Man, she is a cutie". Then I stopped and realized that the most attractive girl on the book covers to me was the one wearing the least revealing clothing, and I had to ask myself if there was something wrong with me. :dave:

 

[Dragon Mage]

Also: I am impressed at how easily you're able to recall dialogue from scenes. I had to toss in DMC4 the other night to watch the cutscene where Nero said that "the guy just got back from hell".

Heh heh, thankies! I have been playing it recently, currently making my way through SOS mode, and well, I'm just a die-hard DMC fan to the core. I pretty much latch onto anything the characters say and never forget it. Shit like this happens with stuff you really love, ya know? =D

And geeze, forget DMD mode--I can barely manage the games on Hard difficultly. Despite how much I really enjoy them, I'm kind of relatively terrible at them.

LOL, I will share a secret! BE AGGRESSIVE. Time your dodges well will go a LONG way. And when on harder modes, don't give 2 shits about style. Survival is your goal. If you can manage stylish attacks, DO IT. If score is your goal, that's what you want. But if unlocking is your goal, just do what it takes to survive.

Anyways, I find DMC4 much more balanced in difficulty -- I'm currently going through SOS mode and it's hard, sure, but not impossible. I don't think DMD will be possible though. >.> It would kill my time score, that's for sure. I have all A or S ranks for my missions with a few B's in there (which are lies, btw, because my time was bad but I got S on style and orbs and no items used, the bastards). But on DMC3, I average a B or C. It's really hard! O_O

So, anyways.... hope that helps ya out!

Speaking of which, I poked around the other week to see if there was any word of a DMC5 in production yet. They'd better be getting on that soon.

You got that right! And this time, they better include that female character I was talking about earlier, too! Or at least give Trish and Lady some clothes.

Oh, and while on that topic, I have to say one thing: I find the jiggle physics utterly unrealistic. As a girl, I can tell you -- they do not bounce around that much. That is all.

Haha, thanks.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I still think DMC3 Lady is the most attractive DMC girl so far. I know that she shows a lot of skin, but I never felt that she did so in a skanky way. I thought her outfit was more "cool" than "slutty". (But that all changed in DMC4, unfortunately.) More than anything, I just always thought she was cute. And for me, "cute" beats "sexy" every day.

It's kind of funny, because this sort of conversation came up between me and some of my roommates the other day when one of them was playing the Bayonetta demo on my 360. He knows I'm a huge DMC fan, and he asked why I didn't pick up Bayonetta, and instead of taking the time to explain it, I just told him it was because "It's toooooo sexy". He laughed and was all "...what?", so then I had to tell him that it weirded me out a bit to have a woman get increasingly nude as I use special attacks on my screen and stuff like that, and he just laughed.

As a side note, I forget what game those guys were playing later, but something happened in a cutscene (it was probably when one of them was playing Ninja Gaiden Black and the game introduced Rachel) and the friend I had been talking to announced that what was happening on the screen was "Tooooooo sexy" in the voice I had used to describe Bayonetta, and we all had a good chuckle.

Good for you! Ah, your roomate is a dink, you're awesome, nuff said. =3

Ninja Gaiden also as a very WIERDLY designed main character. Honest to god, his arms look disproportionate to the rest of his body. Now I, like every woman out there, find a muscly man quite a looker, but not to the point where the muscles makes said man look like an ape. <_< An ape wearing a leotard, nonetheless.

Yeeeaaaah.....

I absolutely agree. Actually, earlier today I was putting some science fiction books away at the bookstore I work at, and I was looking at the covers. On a bunch of them, there were half-naked girls with swords or guns or some such thing. But then there was one with a girl who was wearing a big trench-coat-lookin' thing, and I was all "Man, she is a cutie". Then I stopped and realized that the most attractive girl on the book covers to me was the one wearing the least revealing clothing, and I had to ask myself if there was something wrong with me. :dave:

Nope, I'd actually say there is something quite right with ya! I also detest cover art that has said girls on it -- it's so unrealistic. Shit, in my own novel (a futuristic fantasy) I make a point of how my main character must wear and maintain her combat vest, likes sneakers, and wears jeans. Oh, and did I mention that she wears tactical armor!? Women! Wearing armor! Who knew it was possible, right?

I'm going to give my illustrator specific instructions on how to paint my character and if he/she does the typical half-naked chick, I shall beat them. Friskily.

 

[Zaine]

DMC 1 is good
DMC 2 is a let down
DMC 3 is my favorite
DMC 4 is good as well.

 

[Setzer Gabbiani]

Devil May Cry Filtering HD Collection

Where there is smoke there is fire . It is almost official telling of the adventures of Dante in high definition.

To mark the tenth anniversary of the franchise, Capcom wants to commemorate it with a compilation of the three appeared in Devil May Cry PlayStation 2 in HD. And despite what many think, exclusively for PlayStation 3.

It has revealed the news to see that XtraLife already listed on websites, with an estimated launch date of November 30 and a price of € 39.95 which is still to be confirmed.

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Currently there are no details, but it is a fact and not just a rumor as previously speculated. See if sooner rather than later we see a trailer to see what he look like.

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