Well if being called a slut is as trivial as we're to believe these days why is that such a big deal? People call each other derogatory things daily to influence one another it's about the individual rising above it rather than teaching people not to do something many of them will do anyway.
Breast feeding in public
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I don't mind it when women breastfeed in public, but I think the main reason it doesn't bug me is the fact that I grew up in a country (well, first seven years anyway) where people don't think twice about these sort of things. Yes, even the men peeing in public. It was all...normal to us folks. But that was a different lifestyle and culture, obviously. Still, I was exposed to mountains of boobs at a young age. People complain about women breastfeeding in buses... I had to sit there right across women breastfeeding their babies (3-4 inches feet), because that's the layout of the jeepney. People sit across each other, and we stare at one another...or we can glance away and stare at the person sitting next beside us. (Everyone had to be squeezed next to each other to make as much space as possible). Or just close our eyes and pretend we're sleeping.
But no, I don't have a problem if people think that the whole breastfeeding process is awkward for them. It's natural. Mind, the mother may probably feel a lot more awkward though, and a lot of times now, I do see women covering up. My friend whom I visited a few weeks ago, just had her baby last month. I was at her place - she had to breastfeed, took out the cover, did it like a pro, and we just continued our conversation like it was nothing. Had she not use a cover, I wouldn't be bothered either. But I also don't understand why we must frown upon those who feels it might be awkward for them if they were to see a woman breastfeeding in public without a cover. It's ok to feel awkward...I don't see why we must make it out like it's the most horrible thing for them to feel that way.
What I don't like is when people give them angry stares and have them arrested for it. But generally, I really don't have a strong opinion about it either way.
But no, I don't have a problem if people think that the whole breastfeeding process is awkward for them. It's natural. Mind, the mother may probably feel a lot more awkward though, and a lot of times now, I do see women covering up. My friend whom I visited a few weeks ago, just had her baby last month. I was at her place - she had to breastfeed, took out the cover, did it like a pro, and we just continued our conversation like it was nothing. Had she not use a cover, I wouldn't be bothered either. But I also don't understand why we must frown upon those who feels it might be awkward for them if they were to see a woman breastfeeding in public without a cover. It's ok to feel awkward...I don't see why we must make it out like it's the most horrible thing for them to feel that way.
What I don't like is when people give them angry stares and have them arrested for it. But generally, I really don't have a strong opinion about it either way.
You're telling me that penises are less natural than boobs? That they are different because one is for a different natural purpose?
This is your reasoning for it being okay? Holy shit.
For the record, I also don't walk around shirtless. I used to mow my backyard as such, but not the front yard. It's a courtesy thing. Something many women seem to lack (just as many men do).
What the fuck is with this argument? Women are faster to call each other skanks or sluts than nearly any guy based on their clothing, in fact most women actively complain if another woman has their tits flopping about. How is it you can complain about that, but not when they flap them about for breastfeeding?
This is your reasoning for it being okay? Holy shit.
For the record, I also don't walk around shirtless. I used to mow my backyard as such, but not the front yard. It's a courtesy thing. Something many women seem to lack (just as many men do).
What the fuck is with this argument? Women are faster to call each other skanks or sluts than nearly any guy based on their clothing, in fact most women actively complain if another woman has their tits flopping about. How is it you can complain about that, but not when they flap them about for breastfeeding?
I would rather not see those fat guys man boobs just as much as I would rather not see a woman who is feeding her kids boobs. They should also cover up in public. No one wants to see that so I don't really see the point in that argument.
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idk where you pulled "penises are not natural" from but ok
it really is a shame that you think all women are like this but i suppose it is to be expected from someone who would actually use this as a defense
i'm sure any relatively sane individual realizes that breastfeeding is not a "slutty" act
I do understand to an extent what Alex Mason is saying, however all the sexualization of breasts isn't wholly down to men. There are many women out there catering to the perception that breasts are sexual in the psychological sense rather than the function. Also so many women use the term "slut" in a derogatory way that I find it hard to take the idea that it's a repressive, patriarchal tool rather than just a word used by anyone to insult. I don't like gender wars there's no reason why we can't consider each others' problems.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you were the one who said women would quickly be branded the neighborhood slut for "doing the same thing as men."
I don't think all women are like that, but most? Absolutely. Also, at what point did I say breastfeeding was slutty? I didn't. I said women are more likely to call each other that for casually having their tits out than men are. Get your facts straight.
Breast feeding is absolutely natural, and no one here has said anything about being against it, only whether or not the mother is actually considerate enough to not throw her boobs around. Trying to make it seem like anyone ever was against breastfeeding or insulting it is absolutely misguided.
@Cali Boobs are considered sexually explicit, hence there is no difference. and the topic is still about whether or not it's okay to wag 'em about while feeding, good job psuedo modding though.
I don't think all women are like that, but most? Absolutely. Also, at what point did I say breastfeeding was slutty? I didn't. I said women are more likely to call each other that for casually having their tits out than men are. Get your facts straight.
Breast feeding is absolutely natural, and no one here has said anything about being against it, only whether or not the mother is actually considerate enough to not throw her boobs around. Trying to make it seem like anyone ever was against breastfeeding or insulting it is absolutely misguided.
@Cali Boobs are considered sexually explicit, hence there is no difference. and the topic is still about whether or not it's okay to wag 'em about while feeding, good job psuedo modding though.
You can feel pleasure through your nipples, they're used during sex because they feel good. I think that is enough to make boobs sexual but they also have a second use which is to feed a child.
Well I guess feeding a child is the first use. But still.
Well I guess feeding a child is the first use. But still.
Cali, everything before @Cali was actually to Arikins, as I posted that before I saw your post and had to edit my own. Everything post @ was to you.
Also, no one thinks they are sexual organs, only that they are sexually explicit. This is off and wrong, sure, maybe they shouldn't be but it's how it is. It makes other people, men and women alike uncomfortable just as walking around bottomless would. Women want that view to change? Okay, then women also need to be the core of change. Looking at your boobs must be considered okay if you are allowed to have them about freely, and it is everyone's right to look if you are brazen enough to have them about. It must be okay for other women to have their boobs showing even if you do not do it yourself, ergo women need to stop being demeaning of each other. Men also need to do so, but I do feel comfortable in my opinion that women hate other women for this, more than most men do. Currently it's an extreme double standard what you are trying to argue, and it won't change unless women mass to change it. Just like the blacks massed in the US for their civil rights.
Because of how it currently is, boobs are sexually explicit largely because of women. (That is not to say more than men, or that men are not a part of it, only that women do contribute to this.) This standard makes it not okay to be that open with breastfeeding.
Also, in passing mention I don't think giving oral sex to a man makes a woman a whore. Giving oral sex to multiple men while currently in a relation with one/none makes her a whore. Same goes for guys though, so I don't see your point.
Also, no one thinks they are sexual organs, only that they are sexually explicit. This is off and wrong, sure, maybe they shouldn't be but it's how it is. It makes other people, men and women alike uncomfortable just as walking around bottomless would. Women want that view to change? Okay, then women also need to be the core of change. Looking at your boobs must be considered okay if you are allowed to have them about freely, and it is everyone's right to look if you are brazen enough to have them about. It must be okay for other women to have their boobs showing even if you do not do it yourself, ergo women need to stop being demeaning of each other. Men also need to do so, but I do feel comfortable in my opinion that women hate other women for this, more than most men do. Currently it's an extreme double standard what you are trying to argue, and it won't change unless women mass to change it. Just like the blacks massed in the US for their civil rights.
Because of how it currently is, boobs are sexually explicit largely because of women. (That is not to say more than men, or that men are not a part of it, only that women do contribute to this.) This standard makes it not okay to be that open with breastfeeding.
Also, in passing mention I don't think giving oral sex to a man makes a woman a whore. Giving oral sex to multiple men while currently in a relation with one/none makes her a whore. Same goes for guys though, so I don't see your point.
I'd advise against identifying so strongly with your own gender it would shock you how much your fellow man or woman cares about you from person to person. That's why I hate gender wars it's almost always about self gratification and zero appreciation for anyone else.
Cali, you said it's not "our" fault which I assumed you meant womankind. But please understand that that's the way our society developed. If you didn't go topless at the beach if you wanted to because you wanted to be modest sexually (rather than just self conscious) you've contributed to exactly what you're arguing against. You see what I mean?
Cali, you said it's not "our" fault which I assumed you meant womankind. But please understand that that's the way our society developed. If you didn't go topless at the beach if you wanted to because you wanted to be modest sexually (rather than just self conscious) you've contributed to exactly what you're arguing against. You see what I mean?
urinating also isnt sexual. it can be but that is not it's biological purpose therefore watersports porn shouldn't be considered porn because the biological purpose of urination is not sexual.
i didnt think the point of this thread was to actually argue about what is or is not considered sexually explicit and whether it is right to be considered so. it is what it is. it's still a case of having consideration for others. and that goes to both sides.
When did I say I was against it?
I just don't care to be a part of it, and as is, it isn't the norm. If they stopped complaining about one another/guys looking, I wouldn't care. Go ahead and take your boobs out and feed your kid, but don't try to stand on both sides of the fence.
I just don't care to be a part of it, and as is, it isn't the norm. If they stopped complaining about one another/guys looking, I wouldn't care. Go ahead and take your boobs out and feed your kid, but don't try to stand on both sides of the fence.
Please edit your post you expand on the original topic. Thanks.
Regardless of what you think about this debate, I think we can agree the descriptions of breastfeeding are getting out of hand. Flapping, throwing, flopping, flinging tits about do not seem like very accurate depictions of breastfeeding. People are making it sound like a woman opens one button and two cannonballs explode from her blouse, decapitating nearby pedestrians.
While pregnant and after your boobs usually grow rather huge so I think flopping or whatever is a pretty accurate description of it haha
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I wanted to also add that in middle eastern countries the entire female body is viewed as a sexual-thing that should be kept hidden, so--by this logic of "boobs are strictly sexual and should only be seen in porn and definitely not when she needs to feed her baby!1!!" then we should all start wearing burkas, too!
If a man cannot whip out his wang and pee into a bottle mid-walking down the isle of a grocery store, then a woman cannot have her boob out.
That's just the way it is.
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Breastfeeding in public is all showbiz. It is not practical and can be easily avoided. In fact, a woman has to try to do it. I mean you take the baby out the car, put them in a shoulder sack, walk around with the baby right there sucking on your nipple while your shopping and shit.
It's a lot easier to just put the milk in a bottle and roll the baby in a stroller, like a normal human being.
Splitting hairs about what and what isn't a sexual organ is stupid, bringing up fucking sharia law is stupid, and walking around with your nipple out is stupid.
Men aren't allowed to walk around shirtless inside shops, malls, restaurants, etc. These are the places that people have a problem with women breastfeeding without anything. If you are eating your food, do you want to look across and suddenly see a boob? Don't even get me started if the lady is a big fat lady. You'd probably choke!
It's courtesy. If a woman is breastfeeding with just her breast out nobody's gonna call the police and get her arrested. However it's when the owner comes over and asks her to stop and she makes a huge fit about rights and bla and causes a huge scene that the police might be involved. (blech bad sentence) But if walking around with no top on isn't even allowed, I don't see why breastfeeding anywhere with nothing is suddenly deemed as nothing. As many people have said, it's courtesy.
It's courtesy. If a woman is breastfeeding with just her breast out nobody's gonna call the police and get her arrested. However it's when the owner comes over and asks her to stop and she makes a huge fit about rights and bla and causes a huge scene that the police might be involved. (blech bad sentence) But if walking around with no top on isn't even allowed, I don't see why breastfeeding anywhere with nothing is suddenly deemed as nothing. As many people have said, it's courtesy.