Another Future

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2020
Security has become a standard in all homes. Some countries make for this by taxes, and others by way of mandatory insurance laws.

2025
Criminal activity saturates in the daily public, and so non-lethal weapons become prominent. The rubber bullet gun is introduced into mainstream society, having more stopping power for multiple transgressors and at greater distances. Mandatory curfews are submitted to high risk areas.

2029
Criminal activity moves into medium and low risk areas. Curfews start to become common universally as crimes begin to show a pattern of organization.

2030
To counteract the growing threat of criminal organization, governments enact universal security measures which disbands any and all personal banding. Police monitor society in a way similar to militia law. By this time, government has complete power.



I figured I would put together a possible future if anti-gun society actually went forward instead of backward. Continuing to say over and over that guns kill people is not sufficient enough, and yet it is the only thing that anti-gun advocates can seem to simmer up as a defense.

This thread is intended to discuss the future, not the obvious fact that bullets penetrate. Pun intended, fire away :neomon:
 
You know, I'm not doubting that any of this would happen. I just think that this would be more an extreme case scenario. Should governments try to overexert their power, there are always gonna be those who will find a way to topple them. Banning guns doesn't necessarily mean that governments are gonna crack down on everyone like a vice.
 
The Welsh Paddy said:
You know, I'm not doubting that any of this would happen. I just think that this would be more an extreme case scenario. Should governments try to overexert their power, there are always gonna be those who will find a way to topple them. Banning guns doesn't necessarily mean that governments are gonna crack down on everyone like a vice.
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The main thing to take into account when theorizing the future is looking back to the past. Because human nature never changes, you see. When it is unbounded, it resembles anarchy, and when it is bounded, there is a growing potential for abuse and revolution. These themes will never leave mankind. Man can build and build on a moral palette, but eventually the weight crushes the palette. Conservative philosophy is about maintaining a certain weight for as long as it can, so that neither anarchy or revolution occur.

This is why 'progress', as the liberal term goes, carries with it a bit of irony. It is more likely, in any notion which coincides with progress, is simply progression into a repeat of history.
There are some things which must be diminished, such as racism and misogyny, because it is centrifugal to the state of mankind. Those things caused revolution, you see. However, in the same way, concentrating weapons into a single object will cause revolution as well. It happened when white men were superior, and it will happen with central authorities being superior.
 
Correlation does not imply causation. Totalitarian and fascist regimes have the proclivity to institute strict gun control laws. Gun control laws do not necessarily lead to nor are they solely the characteristics of totalitarian and fascist regimes. There are various states around the world today that have instituted gun control laws that have not descended into a dystopian Orwellian state. The underlying rationale behind current gun control legislation in the United States, as well as the extent of the restriction, is very different from the states you refer to in the past. There is no doubt that your fear is one to consider, but the extent of its emphasis is quite over exaggerated.

Additionally, it’s a bit unfair to categorize certain states of “progress” by liberal ideas as being coincidental with the state of mankind (racism, women’s suffrage, etc…) while others to be the workings of ignorant liberal hippies who failed to read history 101 (gun control). It appears like you’re making more of an arbitrary choice based off of your own idiosyncratic ideas of what is to be termed as good "progress" rather than making positive statements backed by evidence or reasoned argument. But then again you may have omitted all that since you find the conclusion self-evident, but it’d be nice if you elaborated on your viewpoints a bit more so we can see the real foundation of your reasoning.
 
coffeecup said:
Correlation does not imply causation.
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Which is something I take into account. But when a domino tumbles, the others follow. If you look at the OP, you see precisely that at work.

Totalitarian and fascist regimes have the proclivity to institute strict gun control laws. Gun control laws do not necessarily lead to nor are they solely the characteristics of totalitarian and fascist regimes. There are various states around the world today that have instituted gun control laws that have not descended into a dystopian Orwellian state. The underlying rationale behind current gun control legislation in the United States, as well as the extent of the restriction, is very different from the states you refer to in the past. There is no doubt that your fear is one to consider, but the extent of its emphasis is quite over exaggerated.
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Over the course of a decade, of course you are not going to see a traumatic change in power. But time runs exponentially. The next decade is going to double in it's changes in 'anti-gun land'. If you notice, my timeline is between 2020 and 2030. I put that math to the theory. What you see in this next decade will be only half as potent as the decade to follow.

Guns aren't really even the start of it. The fact is that the declaration of a disarmed society is already a few steps in to an autocracy. America declared independence from Britain and quickly established the first two amendments solidifying manifest destiny. This includes the right to bear arms. There has been something wrong with Europe for a good long time now, and it's starting to become visible and relevant already.
 
The right to bear arms is one thing, but its the type or people that bears them that concerns me. It seems to me some people are psychologically unstable and just plain psychotic yet they bear arms or can aquire one so easily and thats the real issue.

They need to be crossexamined or something like that beforehand. Stricter policy etc. Sharpened policy. Not only rightfully gunowners but also their close family members. Guns should be locked up away from other family members....


Guns make profit dont they? Arms trade is big business.
http://www.globalissues.org/article/74/the-arms-trade-is-big-business
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-07-27/un-arms-trade-treaty/56546258/1
 
Ohri-Jin said:
The right to bear arms is one thing, but its the type or people that bears them that concerns me. It seems to me some people are psychologically unstable and just plain psychotic yet they bear arms or can aquire one so easily and thats the real issue.

They need to be crossexamined or something like that beforehand. Stricter policy etc. Sharpened policy. Not only rightfully gunowners but also their close family members. Guns should be locked up away from other family members....
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That would count as 'discrimination', you see. Liberals have dug their own grave, yet declare a victory. That is the state of the world for you.
You see, a lunatic having the same rights as me trumps my right to being armed. Same with people with down syndrome, murderers, and anyone who, precisely, knows how to *bitch* a lot. Like rich women. Yes, look it up. It's actually a real statistic.
 
I have also theorised a future timeline after doing some research, mine involves a pro-gun future.

2020
Grenades are legalised for home use, after a particularly crafty bunch of criminals train swarms of rats to steal all of your valuables. This is widely regarded as a super neat idea.

2030
A citizen converts their entire house into a large gun, to lure in foolish thieves and then erase them from this plane of existence. This becomes the norm for all homes within 8 years, and generates loads of jobs. Single handedly saving the economy.

2050
People realise the government regulating guns at all is clearly fringing on their constitutional rights to bear arms, therefore lockheed release the first commercially available hydrogen bomb. Lockheed's CEO went on record as saying "I can't see how this will end poorly".

About twenty minutes later (some time around teatime)
Mrs. Flenderby of Wyoming ends all life in the USA by accidentally detonating her "A Ladies first H-bomb" while attempting to shoo her cat Commodore Snifflybottom off the kitchen counter. Still better off than those crime-ridden bastards in Europe at least
 
It seems you think all threads should just consist of people agreeing then

The OP asked for people's thoughts on the future so I gave mine, my deepest sympathies that they were not to your liking. What are your thoughts on the future?
 
Emmy the Great said:
It seems you think all threads should just consist of people agreeing then

The OP asked for people's thoughts on the future so I gave mine, my deepest sympathies that they were not to your liking. What are your thoughts on the future?
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What are your thoughts of the future? Have you ever considered that in some way, you adulterate your perception of the future with your hopes and desires of it rather then what it will actually be?

When I look at anti-gun advocates, that exactly what I see in them. I see them positing a blissful future which, in reality, is more probable to NOT happen.
 
i like guns. they are cool because they make cool noises and are guns. when i grow up i want to be a gun. i wish i could see the future.

the end.
 
Living in the country which is the knife capital of the world im glad wer behind in the times. By 2020 india will be a powerhouse of the world America will have picked war with Iran and hopefully Britain or Scotland if its independant has nothing to do with it. Wel just carry on regardless catching haggis and bagipipes in the glens.
 
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