Alleged ongoing nuclear cover-up along indiana - michigan border

[Richard B Riddick]

Before you label me as a tin-foil hat wearer, consider the following:
Live records for multiple radiation monitoring stations near the border of Indiana and Michigan have shown radiation levels as high as 7,139 counts per minute (CPM). The level varied between 2,000 CPM and 7,000 CPM for several hours early this morning (EST).

Normal radiation levels are between 5 and 60 CPM, and any readings above 100 CPM should be considered unusual and trigger an alert, according to information listed on the RadNet website (at EPA.gov)

Digital Journal reported earlier today that near the Indiana & Michigan borders Geiger detectors from the EPA & Black Cat were showing insanely elevated radiation levels. They quickly changed their story fundamentally, but not before I went OCD on it (see also my username). I personally conversed with the NRC today as well as the Hazmat response Captain for the Indiana State Police.

Here is a quick pic, before it was redacted / "corrected". Notice it is NOT the EPA's RadNet open-air detector in Fort Wayne, but another privately run detector near South Bend, owned by Radiation Network:
RadiationNetwork

They then "made a correction" and called it a false alarm, claiming that their "false alarm" was also the same cause for Black Cat... but what about the EPA's federal detectors, the ones that don't use the same information streams as RadiationNetwork?

Read on:
EPA's "near-realtime" open-air geiger counter for Ft Wayne Indiana no longer shows live data but cuts off May 19th. This morning, it didn't (hence the basis for this comment), but by using the EPA.gov RADNET query tool, WE CAN STILL PULL THE DATA UP as in this screenshot <- For more cities and a breakdown of the wind spread, check here
Want more? The area of interest isn't very far away from this strange event that just happened the other day where no fault line is present.
More? The DOD owns about 130,000 acres of land right in that immediate area.
Also, I remind you that it was the EPA's federal detectors and privately owned / Internet enthusiast detectors FROM TWO DIFFERENT PLACES (BlackCat & the Radiation Network) reporting the same incident.
Tell me Reddit, am I paranoid?
EDIT 14 pwns EDIT 7: Redditor says:Central Ohio here. I work at a large public university (not hard to guess which) next to a small research reactor that's located near the back of campus. There's (normally) a large fleet of hazmat response trucks and trailers parked in the nearby lot. Most of them are NIMS early response vehicles funded by Homeland Security (says so right on them). Haven't seen them move once since I started working a few years ago. Tonight? All gone. edit: will try to get pictures tonight/tomorrow
EDIT 7 comes first: To those who say it was still a malfunction:

You miss a VERY elementary point: one detector was privately ran in South Bend. That one "malfunctioned". But then the data is corroborated by a federally ran detector in Ft Wayne, a good drive away. And then more data as time goes on from other detectors. Like here, where one can see the drifts over Little Rock, AR 12 hours later, which lines up with the wind maps. For those that don't seem to know, that's a long way away from Ft Wayne. And the "average" CPM level in Little Rock has been around 8 CPM for the past 12 months.
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and to those that point to the pinhole coolant leak in Dayton:

that pinhole leak couldn't possibly account for the levels seen here, and it was in hot standby mode (hot & pressurized, but no fission) because it was being refueled. And the workers would have triggered alarms if they were contaminated.
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EDIT 11 also jumps the line: On a tip, I called the Traverse City Fire Dept and asked them if they noticed anything unusual, muttered that I was with the "nuclear reddit board". They confirmed they had unusually high readings, and that they reported them to the NRC earlier today.
EDIT 1 It's spreading as you would expect
EDIT 2 More "human numbers":

The actual dose from other redditor / semi-pro opinion + myself is speculated to be... RE-EDIT: Guess you'll never know, because armchair-physicists want to argue too wildly for consensus.
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EDIT 3: high levels of Radon in the area??
EDIT 4 I heard from a semi-verified source that minot afb in north dakota, one of the largest nuclear bases, is running a nuclear response and containment "training exercise" right now with their b-52s. take this with a grain of salt, I'm not vouching for it EDIT: this redditor verifies
EDIT 5: some redditors keep talking about seeing gov't helicopters: here and here and here <- UPDATE: this one now has video
EDIT 6: Someone posted it to AskScience, but a mod deleted it and removed comments
>>>> EDIT 8: > Twes [+1] 11 minutes ago I mean, it is kind of interesting to speculate about... I will at the very least continue to watch this thread/ news stories. I don't know if someone in the 2000 comments has posted this, but before the spike, radiation levels were around 1 to 2 times normal. After the spike they are staying at a constant 5 to 7 times normal. https://twitter.com/#!/LongmontRadMon
EDIT 9: - Removed for being incorrect -
EDIT 10Battle Creek, MI helicopters & ac-130: https://p.twimg.com/Au1M2IjCMAABGNZ.jpg & sauce:https://twitter.com/#!/BeRONSON
EDIT 12: reliable source! says: > Got an email from friend at NMR lab at Eli Lilly in downtown Indianapolis. Said alarms just went off with equipment powered down; Indy HLS fusion teams responding; says NRC R3 not responding tonight.
EDIT 13: this will be where pictures are collected. Got pics? Send to OP. New helicopters (Indianapolis) to getstarted with, and some Chinooks, 20:30 EST West Branch, MI: http://imgur.com/pkmZZ
EDIT 14 now up top ^
EDIT 15: first verifiable statement from a redditor / security guard at Lily in Indianapolis >> "There's nothing dangerous going on at Lilly. Nobody is being evacuated and nothings leaking or on fire but a fucking TON of federales keep showing up. Don't know what the alarm was about but theres been a lot of radio traffic" Proof!

EDIT 16: Removed, was irrelevant
EDIT 17 AnnArbor.com tweeted on the 4th about the mysterious "earthquake" rumbling:https://twitter.com/AnnArborcom/status/209674582087569408 >> Shaking felt in our downtown ‪#AnnArbor‬ newsroom. Did anyone else feel the movement? ‪#earthquake‬
EDIT 18: 1:50AM EST: we're now doing it live (FUCK IT! WE'LL DO IT LIVE!!): http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=<remove> Way to kill it Reddit! This is why we can't have nice things - 2:18AM EST - 3:45AM ESTEDIT 19 Interesting Twitter account. Claims to be owner of the other Twitter account (in Edit #8)... Verified by the Internet at large: https://twitter.com/joey_stanford/status/210967691115245568https://twitter.com/#!/joey_stanford
EDIT 20 This was posted up by a Redditor in the comments, purportedly from Florida, based on wind map is possibly connected & is definitely elevated to a mildly disconcerting level: http://i.imgur.com/77pPn.jpg
EDIT 21 Joey Stanford has said video proof is coming! Keep an eye on his twitter page! he is a dev for Canonical, and in charge of the Longmont Rad Monitoring Station in Longmont, Colorado: https://twitter.com/#!/joey_stanford
EDIT 22 3:30 AM, OP doesn't sleep. Apparently neither does GabeN, with his first comment in two months (Hi Gabe! Hope you were up all night working on something that ends in "3")... still got my ear out for real news, stay tuned.editception : looks like I was trolled by a fake GabeN account.
EDIT 23, 9:30 AM. This forum for cops had this statement by someone with over 5,000 posts on that site: > We've been encountering some high readings at the labs here. < note: this was posted well before this was submitted to Reddit, at noon yesterday

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/uqlq9/reddit_i_think_there_is_a_giant_nuclear_coverup/

page 2

EDIT 24, 10:30 AM: Contacted by several media, with the domain name in the reply email listed being "proof" of their identity. Lining up a couple interviews. EDIT: missed the 96.5 interview offer because I was too busy... so many inbox messages 0.o
EDIT 25, 11AM EST: Joey Stanford, dev for Canonical (Ubuntu) & Launchpad + the guy who runs the Longmont Radiation Monitor in Longmont, CO has posted up proof of high radiation .... see also his twitter feed
EDIT 26: I never once said it was dangerous or that it was NOT dangerous. BUT, for those who want to take preventative measures / keep flooding my inbox EDIT: removed medical advice regarding potassium iodide due to mod request.
EDIT 27: Media blackout / suppression? Points out another commenter: http://i.imgur.com/Dstqz.png @11:15AM EST I verified this to be an accurate screenshot and lots of folks have been checking it all night and there were no results. EDIT 27b, 20 minutes later: now there is one result but it is the "official" malfunction story (a literal copy/paste of what's on Digital Journal) that's already been debunked by the fact it's more than just a single detector. @ Journal Gazette: your copy/paste article sucks, and you should feel bad.
EDIT 27C, 11:45 AM EST: Now I have tons of results that are not exactly relevant but still listed. See also comments section for the others who no doubt SAW it before it was called out... http://i.imgur.com/xKf9y.jpg | Update: other redditors verify / international redditors tell us what you see please (don't forget your ISP if you post, please)?
EDIT 28: Not good, and I'm calling an expert for a second opinion on this. EDIT28a: I tried to debunk 28, but all I ended up with the chance that a professional (from #25) called it without considering the calibration of his equipment. Very unlikely, but not impossible. EDIT 28b: See #33
EDIT 29, noon EST: Hearing in some of the science circles that it might have been solar in origin, sideburner "theory" until someone gives concrete proof. Someone ask phys.org plz
EDIT 30, 12:40: just a note, the top comments in the other thread where I was supposedly "proven wrong, it was just a SINGLE malfunctioning sensor" were posted prior to any updates, including the addition of other sensors in other parts of the country, videos, pics, twitter feeds, strange helicopters & explosions, wind dispersion patterns, lack of MSM coverage, etc etc. And most of the top comments are simply arguing over how much radiation it is in terms of mSv, which isn't the point. It hit well over 350x "normal" and 70x the "alert level" and clearly spread from there, so why isn't the gov't saying anything? Why pull the EPA's own datasets?
EDIT 31: after nearly 20 hours, someone FINALLY actually uses the public tool like I've encouraged since the start of this. Go flood the query tool, see for yourself before they get pulled / all the data gets removed (like the other data sets the EPA pulled, and some of the cities now don't return anything but zeros (like nashville))
EDIT 32 UPDATED: Unrelated video is unrelated, military convoy just took a wrong turn
EDIT 33: The handheld detector in Edit 25 may have a bad germanium resistor, says the guy who posted the video:https://twitter.com/joey_stanford/status/211154420417826816
EDIT 34: More data, interesting to the spike: http://radmon.stan4d.net/ (scroll down for graphs)
EDIT 35, 2:30 EST. nobody will see this, says random redditor <- that's what it looks like in Brazil, btw
EDIT 36 Regarding possible solar activity, this was issued as an alert for the 7th of June:http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/lnms/Special_Notice_to_Mariners_NGA_NAVAREA_IV_293_2012.pdf, USCG Special Notice to Mariners, Subj: SOLAR ACTIVITY – COMMUNICATIONS/ELECTRONIC NAVIGATION

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Hopefully, it turns out to be a false alarm.

 

[Abstract Debauchery]

Reddit is leaking again.

 

[Richard B Riddick]

Updated, btw.

Looks like this is real, wonder what the implications are.

 

[The Witch]

No offense, but the post is a bit of a mess and as I got to the third paragraph I had to stop because it was so messy. However, this is an interesting story and I'm glad I got to see this. However, my very first thought was "I'll check Infowars and see what Alex Jones says about this".

EDIT:
http://www.infowars.com/nuclear-cov...pters-filmed-near-blacked-out-radiation-zone/

and now I can read it.

These are four Boeing CH-47 Chinooks and a blackhawk(military) helicopter and they were seen flying towards the area, mind you.

This site is the very first site it appeared on:
http://naturalsociety.com/explosions-military-helicopters-filmed-radiation-zone/

strange

 

[Richard B Riddick]

No offense, but the post is a bit of a mess and as I got to the third paragraph I had to stop because it was so messy. However, this is an interesting story and I'm glad I got to see this. However, my very first thought was "I'll check Infowars and see what Alex Jones says about this".

EDIT:
http://www.infowars.com/nuclear-cov...pters-filmed-near-blacked-out-radiation-zone/

and now I can read it.

These are four Boeing CH-47 Chinooks and a blackhawk(military) helicopter and they were seen flying towards the area, mind you.

This site is the very first site it appeared on:
http://naturalsociety.com/explosions-military-helicopters-filmed-radiation-zone/

strange

The original reddit link I posted is the first site it appeared on.

Its dated June 7th. Everything else is June 8th.

Call me crazy, I like some of Alex Jones stuff. Not all of it, but some.

Two things I haven't seen anyone mention come to mind.

1) Not long ago, North Carolina considered banning accurate measurements of rising sea levels. If they can get away with it without public outcry or outrage, it may well be a ripe environment for things like cover ups and misinformation to occur.

Arguably, unemployment and economic growth statistics are already heavily prone towards misinformation and revisionism.

2) Previously-Secret 1955 Government Report Concluded that Ocean May Not Adequately Dilute Radiation from Nuclear Accidents. Could be some type of fallout, who knows. Blah, blah.

 

[The Witch]

I don't really care for other stuff. I'm just thinking this is like the chernobyl disaster... but for us. For the first few hours the russian government didn't tell the citizens of Prypiat what had happened until people were checking into hospitals, and then the general population of the Soviet Union wasn't informed of the disaster until April 28th, 2 days after the explosion.

So, yeah, I wouldn't put it past any government to keep it under wraps IF something went wrong.

I just don't know what could have gone wrong.

Even if this is all blown out of proportion or whatever, I just want to know. If this isn't anything to worry about I want the government to tell me about it. But acting as if it's not going on at all is the scary part.

The strangest part is, reports say that this is nothing to worry about--but that's hard to believe when I see Chinooks going towards the area that supposedly is nothing to worry about.

I was half expecting other people on the forum to come in here and dispel this whole thing but the lack of opinions is strange.

 

[Steve-O]

i'm going to be a huge dumb ass here but....... can someone explain this in simple plain easy to understand english like what going on

 

[Gaige]

Radiation levels are higher than they should be along the Indiana-Michigan border. People are suspecting a nuclear cover up.

 

[The Witch]

i'm going to be a huge dumb ass here but....... can someone explain this in simple plain easy to understand english like what going on

It was first reported by naturalsociety that radiation levels near the Indiana-Michigan border were high enough to call Haz-mat out to the area. Shortly after the publishing of the article it was taken down, as you can see for yourself if you click the link.


Explosions were then later reported by multiple people heard coming from the radiation zone, followed by reports and pictures of what looks to be four Boeing CH-47 Chinooks and a AC-130 flying towards the Blacked Out Radiation Zone.


For more details please click read more

READ MORE
You can hear a video recording of the explosions that occurred during the blackout by clicking HERE.

 

[Steve-O]

Radiation levels are higher than they should be along the Indiana-Michigan border. People are suspecting a nuclear cover up.

arrr that better xD so in simple terms the government could be doring their normal stuff and cover up when they have made a huge screw-up.... that will be about a normal day in the us government

 

[Naoto Shirogane]

Uh.....

Okay To be honest I hope this is fake. Dear god i hope this is small. We don't need another chernobyl, or whatever. We do not need a nuclear crysis right now.

I hope, beyond all belief this is just scare propaganda. (like the atom smasher.) I'm not one to be worried by news like this but..wow. i may not live in America, but this could effect a shit-ton of people and my heart goes out to those who are possibly affected by this.

./Worry Wart~~

 

[Steve-O]

I got to admit, jokes aside this is pretty bad if this is true, i remember about japan last year and the other place as well let's hope it just internet rumor and it doesn't turn out to be true. If it is well my heart goes out to all the people affected by it

 

[The Witch]

I can't be an internet rumor. There's photos of military units flying to the area. Something is definitely up. And since the radiation levels were documented as rising by multiple sources then I guess it is like chernobyl.

It can't be a rumor though, that's for sure.

 

[Naoto Shirogane]

Question, How big was the radius of the radiation of Chernobyl when it was first spotted. Bigger, Smaller, or the same of this?

That could help us figure out if this really is another Chernobyl or if it will be more manageable.

 

[Steve-O]

according to wikipedia it was about 100,000 KM2 soooo...... alot

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster

 

[The Witch]

Oh lol I'm not saying it's the same SIZE disaster. I'm just saying it's the same as the chernobyl disaster because both governments are/have refused to talk about what's going on.

But this site said this:

Some 150,000 square kilometres in Belarus, Russia and Ukraine are contaminated and stretch northward of the plant site as far as 500 kilometres. An area spanning 30 kilometres around the plant is considered the “exclusion zone” and is essentially uninhabited. Radioactive fallout scattered over much of the northern hemisphere via wind and storm patterns, but the amounts dispersed were in many instances insignificant.

We don't know the radius of the Michigan-Indiana-Ohio radius yet. But lemme get the county names.

this video says the counties from Michigan:

this guy was the one to take the images of the aircraft
https://twitter.com/#!/BeRONSON
he lives in Battle Creek, MI.

I can't find any about the Indiana and ohio counties

 

[Naoto Shirogane]

Not sure of this means anything but...

Elliott Freeman

Digital Journal
June 7, 2012UPDATE: The article linked to has been updated.
According to radiationnetwork.com, the website for the United States’ radiation monitoring network, a false alarm caused high radiation levels to be reported in South Bend, Indiana last night. Equipment malfunction is being noted as the cause.Last night, live records for a radiation monitoring station near the border of Indiana and Michigan have shown radiation levels as high as 7,139 counts per minute (CPM). At 1:55 a.m., Eastern time, the radiation level was at 2,558 CPM. The level varied between 2,000 CPM and 7,000 CPM for several hours.But the same website notes it was a false alarm due to an equipment malfunction: “The uninterruptable power supply UPS had lost power and had died – a tripped GFI.”​

Read full article

I don't know if things changed, but it was pegged as a false alarm yesterday. opinions?

 

[The Witch]

Not sure of this means anything but...



I don't know if things changed, but it was pegged as a false alarm yesterday. opinions?

Doesn't matter.

More than ONE source reported that the levels got higher, so it can't be an error. It's highly unlikely that two different sources all reported the same level from the same area.

Anyway, supposedly they were doing something in the Davis-Besse Nuclear Power Station.

This guy is very helpful too, btw. he shows where it all happened and what occurred.

 

[Naoto Shirogane]

Has this made National headlines? Ive talked this over with my mom and she's why the hell this isn't national news or something. Granted, my research wasn't on if it was national news. But still.

I'm more surprized Canada hasn't picked up on this, Michigan is close to Canada. (and by extension, me.) and radiation coming from a powerplant explosion/leakage would surely be showcased.

 

[Will Graham]

More than ONE source reported that the levels got higher, so it can't be an error. It's highly unlikely that two different sources all reported the same level from the same area.

I am not sure what is going on with the whole nuclear thing, I would just like to say that multiple sources can all be wrong. Obviously the more sources that something has, the better backed up it is. I am reminded of that hoax "Cambodian Death Match: 40 midgest vs lion" story that took in a lot of reputable news outlets. Also I am reminded of The Simpsons '50 million cigarette smokers can't be wrong' image