[13/06] SE “considering the possibilities of bringing Final Fantasy” to Wii U

[Gingerbread Lesbian]

One, I would imagine, considering that the Wii-U is considerably more powerful than either the 360 or the PS3.

Until the Sony/Microsoft release their new console in the future rendering the Wii-U redundant and third party developers abandon it... again, like they more or less did with the Wii.

Nor does a powerful console mean it's only going to take one disk, the main reason Sony has a step up on Microsoft is because of the Blu-ray storage advantage over the DVD. There'd be little between the 360/PS3 if it weren't for that. I somewhat doubt the Wii-U will be using Blu-Ray or any significant storage disk so regardless of how powerful it is, it's going to be hindered. As much as Nintendo hype this thing up, it's still 6/7 years behind the times.

 

[Ohri-Jin]

Until the Sony/Microsoft release their new console in the future rendering the Wii-U redundant and third party developers abandon it... again, like they more or less did with the Wii.

Nor does a powerful console mean it's only going to take one disk, the main reason Sony has a step up on Microsoft is because of the Blu-ray storage advantage over the DVD. There'd be little between the 360/PS3 if it weren't for that. I somewhat doubt the Wii-U will be using Blu-Ray or any significant storage disk so regardless of how powerful it is, it's going to be hindered. As much as Nintendo hype this thing up, it's still 6/7 years behind the times.

AMEN.....

Makes me wonder what kind of innovative disc Nintendo will come up with. Imagine cartridges back with freeking 100gb on it muwhahaha...They better come up with an awesome type of disc or its a major nuisance...the touch screen controller interests me but only 1 can be hooked on...

Line of games: I swear if they even dare to put remakes from no matter what former consoles , handhelds or other nintendo products it will suckkkkkkkkkkkk...HD my ass...

If they make original IP's especially RPG's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will totally buy the console. Untill then I am very skeptical...I hate childish games.....

 

[Stoic Hero]

I'm okay with this as long as it's not a new game. They've got so many projects they're working on. That's why all of the recent games have been so shitty.

Just focus on Versus XIII and KH3.

 

[JWick]

Until the Sony/Microsoft release their new console in the future rendering the Wii-U redundant and third party developers abandon it... again, like they more or less did with the Wii.

Nor does a powerful console mean it's only going to take one disk, the main reason Sony has a step up on Microsoft is because of the Blu-ray storage advantage over the DVD. There'd be little between the 360/PS3 if it weren't for that. I somewhat doubt the Wii-U will be using Blu-Ray or any significant storage disk so regardless of how powerful it is, it's going to be hindered. As much as Nintendo hype this thing up, it's still 6/7 years behind the times.

But Mass Effect was released on Xbox 360 on 1 dual layer DVD rom, and even the original Wii's optical discs match that in terms of capacity at around 8.5gb. The Wii-U is set to build on that with proprietary optical discs reaching 25gbs, which is on par with single layer Blu-Ray, and if industry rumours are anything to go by, Nintendo may even surpass that. Even if Nintendo don't bother using dual layer, their discs could still fit Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 on a single disc easily. This isn't a question about capacity, there is no way that the next gen console from either Sony or Microsoft is going to use a format more advanced than Blu-Ray seeing as Sony were instrumental in creating that technology in the first place.

So if anything, Nintendo are ahead of the competition, certainly not 5/6 years behind it. Perhaps this explains Yoshinori Kitase's sudden change of heart towards developing Final Fantasy games for the Wii-U? Or perhaps it is because at this rate Wii-U is going to be the most advanced console on the market in 2012, and probably throughout much of 2013 too.

 

[Gingerbread Lesbian]

This isn't a question about capacity, there is no way that the next gen console from either Sony or Microsoft is going to use a format more advanced than Blu-Ray seeing as Sony were instrumental in creating that technology in the first place.

Of course they will, at the very least they'll significantly up the capacity of the storage on the blu-ray so the developers for both the PS4 and Xbox 720 (w/e it'll be called) to use. You can't dismiss storage capacity, it's the reason Final Fantasy XIII used 3 disks for the 360 and still had to be downgraded from FLAC audio and 576p just to fit on the disks.

So if anything, Nintendo are ahead of the competition, certainly not 5/6 years behind it.

Yes they are, it will have taken Nintendo 6/7 years to even come close to rivaling the PS3/360 since they've been released. Being the most advanced console for a max of 2/3 years at most is nothing. It's like people raving about how much more advanced the 3DS was, and then the PSVita comes along and wipes the floor with it.

Perhaps this explains Yoshinori Kitase's sudden change of heart towards developing Final Fantasy games for the Wii-U?

Or perhaps because Square-Enix care for nothing more than making as much money as possible and providing little substance.

Or perhaps it is because at this rate Wii-U is going to be the most advanced console on the market in 2012, and probably throughout much of 2013 too.

Even IF (and I'm very doubtful) it's the most advanced, it'll only be a matter of time until the PS4 and the next Xbox are released and they'll both wipe the floor with the Wii-U and then Nintendo will have to wait another 5/6/7 years to try and compete again and the same will happen, as soon as Nintendo try to enter the "hardcore" market they'll be destroyed.

 

[JWick]

Of course they will, at the very least they'll significantly up the capacity of the storage on the blu-ray so the developers for both the PS4 and Xbox 720 (w/e it'll be called) to use. You can't dismiss storage capacity, it's the reason Final Fantasy XIII used 3 disks for the 360 and still had to be downgraded from FLAC audio and 576p just to fit on the disks.

You can't just simply 'up' the capacity on any given disc, they wouldn't be able to change the diode's capacity without creating an entirely new format, which would be ridiculous seeing as they've invested so much into promoting this in the first place. They could invest in BDXL formatted Blu-Ray, not that any games currently around would need that much capacity, but then Nintendo are in a position to do the same exact thing to accommodate for the same software, since the technology in optical discs and blu-ray is very similar.

Yes they are, it will have taken Nintendo 6/7 years to even come close to rivaling the PS3/360 since they've been released. Being the most advanced console for a max of 2/3 years at most is nothing. It's like people raving about how much more advanced the 3DS was, and then the PSVita comes along and wipes the floor with it.

So you admit they're ahead for 2/3 years? Then in what way are they 6/7 years behind considering almost half that time they have the most advanced console on the market, and will presumably undercut the competition once again on the next cycle? Not to mention that console power is fairly irrelevant regarding where FF and other big games end up; thinking back to the Saturn/N64/PS1 generation, the weakest console out of those three, the PS1, sold the best and attracted the attention of Square, who developed games that were on the whole better received than any FF games since on PS2/PS3/360.

Or perhaps because Square-Enix care for nothing more than making as much money as possible and providing little substance.

Well, yes, the primary concern for a business is to make money. Having said that, the Wii outsold the 360 and the PS3 combined, but SE targeted the latter two because their perceived audience had those consoles. There is no reason that should have changed, so it suggests they see some sort of potential to make good games on the console that wasn't present in it's predecessor, no?

 

[Ohri-Jin]

The reason the wii outsold ps3 and xbox is due to the fact it was the cheapest console and the most innovative and targeted the casual gamers ... What about hardcore gamers? There is a reason why many wii's are collecting dust... Its nothing special anymore.. If nintendo comes with original material and no remakes and innovative new tech then perhaps it will sell big time, but they should focus on hardcore gamers then and not only focusing on casual gamers with kiddy games or it'll be another wii in hd...

 

[Gingerbread Lesbian]

You can't just simply 'up' the capacity on any given disc, they wouldn't be able to change the diode's capacity without creating an entirely new format, which would be ridiculous seeing as they've invested so much into promoting this in the first place. They could invest in BDXL formatted Blu-Ray, not that any games currently around would need that much capacity, but then Nintendo are in a position to do the same exact thing to accommodate for the same software, since the technology in optical discs and blu-ray is very similar.

Then they'll just make a new format then, I have no doubt Microsoft are already working on it Digital will eventually take over Blu-Ray anyway.

So you admit they're ahead for 2/3 years? Then in what way are they 6/7 years behind considering almost half that time they have the most advanced console on the market, and will presumably undercut the competition once again on the next cycle?

No I do not. They have taken 6/7 years to even come close to rivaling the PS3/360 in terms of power, the only reason the Wii-U has done that is because the hardware of the PS3/360 is dated. No where did I say they are 2/3 years ahead either, I said they may dominate the market for 2/3 years (solely, because it's a new console) but once Sony and Microsoft release their new consoles which will undoubtedly be far more powerful than the Wii-U then it will be abandoned by third party developers for new, more powerful hardware.

Not to mention that console power is fairly irrelevant regarding where FF and other big games end up; thinking back to the Saturn/N64/PS1 generation, the weakest console out of those three, the PS1, sold the best and attracted the attention of Square, who developed games that were on the whole better received than any FF games since on PS2/PS3/360.

It's not really, is it. Back then graphics weren't the massive rave they are nowadays so they didn't need anywhere near the power consoles now. Nor can you blame the PS2/PS3/360 for Square going down the shitter since their merger with Enix, that's the companies fault, not the consoles.

Well, yes, the primary concern for a business is to make money. Having said that, the Wii outsold the 360 and the PS3 combined, but SE targeted the latter two because their perceived audience had those consoles. There is no reason that should have changed, so it suggests they see some sort of potential to make good games on the console that wasn't present in it's predecessor, no?

However, the Wii-U is focusing more on power rather than doing something "different" like the Wii did. The way was a huge success because it was something most people had never seen before, cheap and because it solely targeted the casual market which, until recently, Microsoft and Sony had no interest in. There was no reason for Square-Enix to make many games for the Wii because they, as a business, are not massively into the casual market either.

 

[JWick]

Then they'll just make a new format then, I have no doubt Microsoft are already working on it Digital will eventually take over Blu-Ray anyway.

It would be ridiculous for Sony to do so, there isn't a single game out there that is even nearly pushing the boundaries of Blu-Ray's dual layer capacity, or Wii-U's optical discs and I doubt there will be for a long time. Therefore as you said, the only smart move forward is to digital, for convenience, costs, load times etc. Your claim was that the Wii-U would be unable to fit large titles such as Mass Effect on to a single disc, which is simply untrue, by quite a large margin.

No I do not. They have taken 6/7 years to even come close to rivaling the PS3/360 in terms of power, the only reason the Wii-U has done that is because the hardware of the PS3/360 is dated. No where did I say they are 2/3 years ahead either, I said they may dominate the market for 2/3 years (solely, because it's a new console) but once Sony and Microsoft release their new consoles which will undoubtedly be far more powerful than the Wii-U then it will be abandoned by third party developers for new, more powerful hardware.

But that argument could easily be turned around the other way. Assuming Sony's whole grand idea about the 10 year lifespan of the PS3 holds true, Nintendo will have a new console on the horizon within a small number of years of the PS4 being released. That leaves Microsoft, and they're focused heavily on the Kinnect and the mass market now, at the very least for the short term, so I don't blame SE for thinking the Wii-U looks attractive in the face of the competition. Let's not forget that the announcement in question came right after E3.

It's not really, is it. Back then graphics weren't the massive rave they are nowadays so they didn't need anywhere near the power consoles now. Nor can you blame the PS2/PS3/360 for Square going down the shitter since their merger with Enix, that's the companies fault, not the consoles.

Oh I remember graphics being all the rage back then Partly why games like VII or OoT did so well to be honest. In all seriousness though, of course I blame SE rather than consoles for the FF games going down hill since that era. My point was more to illustrate that having better console power relative to competitors doesn't mean better game potential.

What about hardcore gamers?

They bought PCs.

 

[Ohri-Jin]

Good God PC gamers are such rich nerds... I wish I was rich to buy a super pc like that...cause I love MMO's and I love RTS's I love PC GAMES! but alas

Anyways :

As far as internal storage goes, it's still unclear whether or not the Wii U will come packed with an HDD, but the specs sheet does amorphously detail "internal flash storage," as well as an SD slot and the ability to use USB storage. Notably, the list points out that the USB storage will allow for external HDDs. And while the disc slot gives us the impression that Wii U games will be disc-based, Nintendo has yet to reveal its medium of choice.

No SPECS on the FLASH STORAGE its no HDD so how much GB can a flash (drive?) cary? If its high GB it must be like sound-proof (HDD's make too much noise)...nice but we'll wait for more info..

Also specs on Optical discs hasnt been described either..Im curious...

 

[Linnaete]

As a reminder, this thread isn't really to discuss the Wii U VS the PS3 and the Xbox 360 in terms of hardware and all that, so heads up people, it's getting a bit derailed and I'd rather it goes back on-topic.

 

[Ohri-Jin]

The Wii U controller would be perfect for an FF game. Inventory and map when in the world, and ATB bars in battle! Sign me up, please!

I overlooked your comment but that is freeking interesting , but how would that work? Moving and selecting items at the same time.....oh wait touchscreen That would be nifty indeed..

Changing gears and equipment with your finger and then on your way to the next stage..also map zoom in and out...haha