HOW the heck does Sin do it?

[Ghastly]

Okay, this may be a question that's been addressed 8,000 times, and I want to apologize in advance if it is. I went back a few pages and found things that related to it, but didn't directly address. HOWEVER. If I'm being an asshat and overlooking something, sorry, sorry, sorry, and if you could redirect me, that would be super.

My question is: How the heck does Sin, a physical being from the physical realm of Spira, manage to just bounce back and forth from there to the dream realm of Tidus's Zanarkand? Three times, even? Not why (though you have to wonder how it got in there to originally snatch Jecht--probably not on purpose, no doubt), but how?

Someone mentioned in another topic that it's very possible that Dream Zanarkand is an actual location in Spira, somewhere beyond the real Zanarkand, and it's composed of pyreflies as opposed to actual material. While this is interesting, this theory doesn't particularly satisfy me (within the past thousand years, you'd think someone had to have stumbled upon it at some point). The only other thing that it could be if not a physical place, would be a metaphysical, dynamic parallel universe. But this may not work either, because Sin as a vehicle to an alternate universe doesn't make much sense. It's a huge, clunky hunk of mass. EINSTEIN SAYS NO.

I know this is a stupid question to ask when the physics of the Final Fantasy X universe consists of magic and monsters and crap, but it's driving me nuts. I get that Yu Yevon has a connection to Dream Zanarkand, but that doesn't explain his power to enter it himself. He isn't a byproduct of that world like Jecht and Tidus are. He's a physical being in a physical world.

My first thought was that maybe the Sin that attacked Dream Zanarkand at the beginning of the game wasn't the real Sin from Spira, but a dream version caused by Jecht's control over Sin and his possible control over the inhuman Yu Yevon as well; i.e., he manipulated Yu Yevon's summon to introduce Dream Sin into Dream Zanarkand. But that doesn't explain how Sin originally drew Jecht himself into Spira, how Auron was able to hitch a ride, or how he transported Tidus from the metaphysical realm to the physical.

... thinking too much probableh. BUT HELP ME ANYWAY OR IMMA DIE 4 REALZ.

 

[TravisScott]

Well, I thought Sin didn't have any rules to fallow, therefor allowing him to do whatever he wants, like bouncing from real Zanarkand to the Dream Zanarkand. Sin is kind of, well, God in a way I guess you could say.

That's how I looked at it anyways. Sin does what Sin wants to do, and since Jecht is in most of control of Sin for the time being, He used his powers as Sin to go to Dream Zanarkand since he wanted Tidus to destroy him.

 

[Ghastly]

Well, I thought Sin didn't have any rules to fallow, therefor allowing him to do whatever he wants, like bouncing from real Zanarkand to the Dream Zanarkand. Sin is kind of, well, God in a way I guess you could say.

That's how I looked at it anyways. Sin does what Sin wants to do, and since Jecht is in most of control of Sin for the time being, He used his powers as Sin to go to Dream Zanarkand since he wanted Tidus to destroy him.

This was how I pretty much accepted it for the most part, because there was no other real expanation. "He just does it." And I think that's probably what the creators intended because nowhere do they suggest an alternative.

But that's so unsatisfying.

Sin is only a survival machine. Sure he's composed of magic, but that magic makes him a solid, physical being. He's never shown being broken down or capable of being manipulated into any form but a physical one (ACCEPT when he is destroyed). So that doesn't really explain it.

:wtf:

idk. I'm probably just thinking about this waaaay too much.

 

[TravisScott]

This was how I pretty much accepted it for the most part, because there was no other real expanation. "He just does it." And I think that's probably what the creators intended because nowhere do they suggest an alternative.

But that's so unsatisfying.

Sin is only a survival machine. Sure he's composed of magic, but that magic makes him a solid, physical being. He's never shown being broken down or capable of being manipulated into any form but a physical one (ACCEPT when he is destroyed). So that doesn't really explain it.

:wtf:

idk. I'm probably just thinking about this waaaay too much.

Well I figured if Sin can somehow transport people he should be able to do the same to himself as well.

And no way, you're not looking to far into it, that's what makes it great. Haha.

 

[Ghastly]

Well I figured if Sin can somehow transport people he should be able to do the same to himself as well.

And no way, you're not looking to far into it, that's what makes it great. Haha.

Yeah, I'm more interested in how Sin transports himself than how he transports others. Once we figure out the former, the latter will be probaly be explained, too.

And thanks for not thinking I'm crazy Travis. YOUR'E LOVELY.

 

[TravisScott]

Yeah, I'm more interested in how Sin transports himself than how he transports others. Once we figure out the former, the latter will be probaly be explained, too.

And thanks for not thinking I'm crazy Travis. YOUR'E LOVELY.

Yeah, I would like to know as well. But I guess it just wasn't something the developers thought needed to be looked into more. Oh well, imaginations key.

And thank you. (;

 

[King Sean]

Yeah, I am not sure Sin was bound to any constraits. I believe though, that since

Spoiler

Jecht was Sin

that his connection to Tidus was the reason why he could travel to Dream Zanarkand, although it could just be what I said before, that he is not bound by any natural laws.

 

[Gaige]

Dream Zanarkand is a dream of the fayth. It was made up of the people of Zanarkand's will to live on, at least from what I can see in the game. Sin, too, is a dream of Yu Yevon's will to repel Bevelle and save himself and Zanarkand. Perhaps he, too, was one of those who created the Dream Zanarkand, yet he took it that step further to become Sin. He actually used his will and manifested it. I suppose you can consider Sin as will given physical form, so he can experience both dream and reality... if that made any sense at all.

 

[Ghastly]

Yeah, I am not sure Sin was bound to any constraits. I believe though, that since

Spoiler

Jecht was Sin

that his connection to Tidus was the reason why he could travel to Dream Zanarkand, although it could just be what I said before, that he is not bound by any natural laws.

The initial attack on Dream Zanarkand explains the why, but not the how (and if all it took for Sin to enter the metaphysical realm was for its host [in this case,

Spoiler

Jecht

] to be a byproduct of the realm itself, it still doesn't explain how Sin appeared the first time, and transported Jecht to Spira). However, if we go with the idea that the natural laws of the world simply do not apply to Sin due to his unnatural origins, that's actually a reasonable response.

But I'm really effing conflicted with the idea that a solid being that can be physically encountered is able to transcend natural laws, but not use that very power when it would be most necessary (in the case of the Final Summoning, and when

Spoiler

the main characters confront it in the end

). You'd think that a survival trait that would convert a natural body that does obey natural laws (and in Spira, it does--Sin is capable of being attacked, capable of being wounded, and it is capable of being destroyed by physical means) into a body that can bypass them, you'd use it.

I don't give Sin's personal intelligence the benefit of this "trigger" (there's nothing in game that suggests Sin is anything more than a wild animal of sorts). I can't give it to Yu Yevon, because there's no evidence to suggest he has any control over Sin whatsoever. And I can't give it to

Spoiler

Jecht

, because again, that doesn't explain Sin's original incarnation in Dream Zanarkand.

... Unleeesssss every host within Sin disallowed it because he wanted to be destroyed. WHICH IS POSSIBLE AND COMPLETELY SATISFIES PART OF MY CURIOSITY. But again, it doesn't explain how Sin came to Dream Zanarkand the first time.

Dream Zanarkand is a dream of the fayth. It was made up of the people of Zanarkand's will to live on, at least from what I can see in the game. Sin, too, is a dream of Yu Yevon's will to repel Bevelle and save himself and Zanarkand. Perhaps he, too, was one of those who created the Dream Zanarkand, yet he took it that step further to become Sin. He actually used his will and manifested it. I suppose you can consider Sin as will given physical form, so he can experience both dream and reality... if that made any sense at all.

I know what Dream Zanarkand is, and I completely accept that aspect of the story (I don't think there was any actual mention of Yu Yevon himself taking part in the creation of Dream Zanarkand, though--isn't he only the summoner, calling on the Fayth? And didn't he create Sin as a survival machine, to protect him while he continues the summoning?)

I do, however, love your mention of Sin merely being Yu Yevon's will, incarnate. But you also mention that Yu Yevon's original will was to "repel Bevelle and save himself and Zanarkand". Do we know if the original Sin that first ever appeared in Spira made any show of this? I think I remember there being some mention that he appeared beyond the mountains of Gagazet, but I don't remember anyone saying he first struck Bevelle, or anything like that.

I actually really want to know, because this is a fascinating theory beyond the simple "survival machine" idea I've been going with. I'd be willing to accept that as Yu Yevon's complete humanity was lost and the original Sin was infested with sacrificed

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guardian after gaurdian

, that "pure will" would be watered down and Sin would become more wild, but I wouldn't accept that completely, in the very beginning.

If there's any evidence of this, I'd be more than willing to also accept the idea that Yu Yevon's creation of Sin included that "metaphysical trigger," that could be used subconsciously except in the case of the

Spoiler

sacrificed guardian

parasite, as part of its genetic/magical makeup.

Thank you, by the way. And if I misinterpreted anything, please say so.

 

[Dean Winchester]

This can be answered by going back to the original war between Bevelle and Zanarkand. When Yu Yevon saw himself on the brink of defeat and not wanting his beloved city to be lost to Bevelle, he gathered the remaining citizens to become a massive "Fayth" in order to grant him the power necessary for him to perform his final summon (This is the same colossal Fayth statue we see in Mt Gagazet). The summon however, was not of a weapon, but a recreation of a Zanarkand that would never sleep. The Dream Zanarkand city is NOT inside Sin, rather it is located in the a very distant area far away from the Spiran mainland (hence why most ships wouldn't make it far from Spira because they would be crushed by Sin in order to prevent its discovery).

He then gathered the pyreflies around the city and forged himself a monstrous magical armour that we would come to know as "SIN", with the sole objective of preventing anyone from the mainland to get in contact with Dream Zanarkand, as well as limiting the usage of Machina. The burden of the constant summoning of the city as well as sustaining his Magical Shell, Yu Yevon's mind and spirit was shattered, leaving only a creature acting on mere instinct. The only thing left in his mind is that he needs to summon both the city and Sin.

The reason why Sin is capable of freely entering and leaving Dream Zanarkand is because Yu Yevon is also inside of it, and also because SIN is the guardian of Dream Zanarkand. Of course, this was not part of its original functions, being something that simply happened because Jecht, not fully under Yu Yevon's influence, frequently visited what was once his home.

In theory, Tidus could have simply traveled to Dream Zanarkand if he somehow discovered its location, the only inconvenience would be that SIN would probably destroy any kind of ship that gets too close.

Also, notice that Dream Zanarkand is only a title, it does not represents a state of being. The city itself is a summoned, and like summons as Ifrit and Shiva, it can be touched and even entered. Still SIN was always there as an indestructible wall preventing entry. So no, Dream Zanarkand is not a dream as we know them, nor is inside SIN or Yu Yevon's consciousness. It exists and it has a location which is unknown because SIN prevents any kind of sea exploration.

 

[GalaxyFlare]

The relationship between the dimension that the Dream city of Zanarkand exists and the method Sin uses to puncture the Barrier that separates them, to truly dissect this conundrum we must first under stand the true nature of dreams, the energy emitted when they are conceived, and where that energy is diverted to.

Mental energy is a form energy not ye understood in terms of its vectors or quantum outcomes, the energy itself is not yet able to be measured in quantum states or even macroscopic terms.

Outside of the dream itself and any potential mental energy expended in its conception,
the only record of them existing down to the memory of the conceiver. The human conciousness is a form energy that manifest itself in the brain and thoughts,dreams and will products of its actions.

Human conciousness leaves the body when death occurs but it is a form of energy and energy cannot be truly destroyed it has to exist in some, the by-product of dreams is analogous to the fundamental interaction of the Photon in Electromagnetism.

ElectroMag is controlled on the quantum level by the boson Photon and when an interaction occurs with in its continuum boson of a lesser nature(W&Z bozon I think?)
and these are used in other fundamental interactions.

I'm not suggesting the existence of a concious force in the universe where energy from mental thought somehow exist and influences us all to some degree, with no real way to measure the Mental energy expended in dreaming and thought, it is naught but speculation.

But that is why we here.....to speculate, so if there is indeed a dream Force that Dream Zanarkand exists on it may be possible to puncture this field with Soliton burst from a being like Sin who as a temporal/Spacetime entity can wield.

Im not sure what kind of burst would be needed, But Sin is one big Mother.......so its probably Gravitic in nature......Im gonna assume its Gravity based on the fact that Sins greatest attacks are a Graviton Pulse.......how ever he also produces an Electromagntic barrier when he is ambushed at the Mushroom Rock/Djose Highroad.

So it could also be Electro Dynamic in nature, however this is a force more based on
rotation and charge and has very little spectrum for Space/Time manipulation beyond being effected as a part of the Continuum.

It may also be that Dreams are a human construct and are only effected by the presence of a massive entity like Sin.....as in humans are to small to individually to effect it so the Dream Zanarkand could only be constructed by the Summoned energy of many individuals?

It most likely the latter than the former, based on the Fantasy nature of the concept.

I do like the Idea of a universal Force that controls Dreams and influences us all at some point in our lives. Another point to consider is the real nature of Summoning Practises, and what they require, Zanarkand is Summoned so is Sin the 2 things may connected beyond our comprehension given no one here is a Summoner......

 

[Dean Winchester]

Yes, but Dream Zanarkand is not a "dream" per se, but just another massive summoning. If we were to consider Dream Zanarkand as a conventional "dream", then we would be forced to do the same with the Aeons. The Dream of the Fayth fuels the existence of this summons, but the Aeons do not reside in their dreams itself. The summoning consists of manipulating the pyreflies by using the energy of the Fayth, thus making the summon manifest in the shape and form from the Fayth from which is summoned. Each Stone of Fayth contains the shape, abilities, power and behavior of the Aeon it represents, hence why you can only summon the Aeon that is strictly related to the Chamber of Fayth you visit.

Again, Dream Zanarkand is a summon, not a dream. It was named Dream Zanarkand because it is like an "ideal" Zanarkand, perfect in the sense Yu Yevon wanted to preserve it.

 

[GalaxyFlare]

I believe the Op wants to discuss the nature of how sin is able to transport to and from Zanarkand.......not the State of Mind of a bunch of dead guys.

And thats what my post was about, different ways Temporal, AstroPhysical, Mental, and others that people postulate.

It may be a Summon but not in the traditional sense it is based on the momorries of the faith on Mt.Gagazet.....as i stated mental energy is a form energy not yet understood so the concepts of traditional Summoning only apply in the loses sense.

By the way I thought the Fayth Stones were not of a manifested entity but the being the person who sacrificed would become when they were encased in the stone, and not really there abilities or power or whatever/

Case in point: Bahamut, a Massive Dragon/Humanoid Aeon manifested from a small child
not representative of his individual power as a human but the power unleashed when he was sacrificed.......

 

[Kurughi]

though i've yet to finnish the game (gonna start working on all the aeons and ultimate weapons soon) i have a small theory about this Sin has to ability to transport people from one place to another as seen with tidus and since dream zanarkand seems to be a form off summoning it has a physical form and can be entered if found but like one said before sin will stop anyone who tries to enter the city out of instinct since sin seems to have the power to teleport other he can easily teleport himself from one place to another so which allows him to teleport himself to the dream zanarkand and back when ever he chooses since it seems he has no form of boundaries to what he can do

 

[Saix]

I don't think anyone's mentioned this particular factor, but did nobody notice that massive portal in the sky of Dream Zanarkand? This certainly explains how Auron "hitched a ride" with Sin to Dream Zanarkand, though how Auron knew of Sin's alternate means of transport is (I think) so far unexplained.

You've noted yourself that trying to pin down any actual method with physics, as we understand it, is a bit much considering the [non]reality of FFX, so I agree that perhaps you are just looking into a bit much. :dave: I do believe Dream Zanarkand exists though, just in some alternate dimension-esque kind of way.

Either way, Sin is inextricably linked to Dream Zanarkand. As for inter-dimensional travel though...

 

[Dean Winchester]

This doesn't need any deep discussion because:
1) Dream Zanarkand is a physical manifestation which exists in Spira, far away in the ocean in an unknown location religiously guarded by Sin. The reason why no one knows where it is located is because SIN would kill anyone who got too near.
2)If it exists in a physical location, it means it can be reached.
3) If it couldn't be reached, then having SIN to protect Dream Zanarkand would be pointless. Why would Yevon create a Massive Magical armour to protect something no living thing could reach? Hence why Yu Yevon is inside SIN to protect himself inside the shell and then with his shell protect Dream Zanarkand.
4) SIN was create to protect Dream Zanarkand in order to prevent any interference from the outside world (this world being the rest of Spira).
5) If the farplane could be reached by living beings (FFX-2), I don't see why Dream Zanarkand couldn't be reached as well.
6) Dream Zanarkand is just ONE massive Aeon who does nothing except recreating the original Zanarkand.
7)If Sin is meant to be the guardian of Dream Zanarkand, then it would only be natural that he could freely come and leave as he pleased. :dave:
8) SIN also served as a fail safe to prevent anyone from leaving Dream Zanarkand. Sadly, the fail safe....failed with Jecht and he somehow survived. I suppose his body was washed a shore or he was found the same way as Tidus.
9) Yes, there was something that it looked like a portal when Auron lifted Tidus, but then again, Jecht disappeared in the sea. SIN only sucked up Tidus to take him outside. Jecht leaving Zanarkand was an accident. Tidus was not.


Also, SIN doesn't make anyone real or not. If Dream Zanarkand is a massive Aeon, then Tidus and Jecht are aeons themselves, hence why Tidus began to fade when Yu Yevon was destroyed. No summoner, no Aeon.

Also, Yuna's aeons didn't disappear because Yu Yevon was defeated, they disappeared because their Fayths, having completed their mission, realized it wouldn't be necessary to keep sustaining them. The Fayths still exist, as proven in FFX-2. If all the aeons were destroyed along with Yu Yevon, then FFX-2 wouldn't make much sense. :dave:

The only Fayths that were released were the Fayths in Mt Gagazet. The others are still...stuck in the stone.

 

[Saix]

I've got to respond to this post, because quite frankly... well:

This doesn't need any deep discussion because:
1) Dream Zanarkand is a physical manifestation which exists in Spira, far away in the ocean in an unknown location religiously guarded by Sin. The reason why no one knows where it is located is because SIN would kill anyone who got too near.

Never does it say that Dream Zanarkand physically exists in Spira itself, nor stated that Sin guards it religiously. I'm curious as to your source for this actually, because I don't remember any dialogue in the game about that.

3) If it couldn't be reached, then having SIN to protect Dream Zanarkand would be pointless. Why would Yevon create a Massive Magical armour to protect something no living thing could reach? Hence why Yu Yevon is inside SIN to protect himself inside the shell and then with his shell protect Dream Zanarkand.

Sin was created to protect Yu Yevon whilst he continued the summoning, not so it could protect anything else in, or outside of, Spira. Bahamut's Fayth says as much in-game.

5) If the farplane could be reached by living beings (FFX-2), I don't see why Dream Zanarkand couldn't be reached as well.

Dream Zanarkand and the Farplane serve completely different purposes, and are not linked in the least. I don't know how you came to this conclusion...

6) Dream Zanarkand is just ONE massive Aeon who does nothing except recreating the original Zanarkand.

8) SIN also served as a fail safe to prevent anyone from leaving Dream Zanarkand. Sadly, the fail safe....failed with Jecht and he somehow survived. I suppose his body was washed a shore or he was found the same way as Tidus.

Whoa. Source(s)?

9) Yes, there was something that it looked like a portal when Auron lifted Tidus, but then again, Jecht disappeared in the sea. SIN only sucked up Tidus to take him outside. Jecht leaving Zanarkand was an accident. Tidus was not.

Jecht was "touched by Sin" the day he was taken from Dream Zanarkand, so I imagine the same method of transportation applies there. Can't say for sure though.

Also, SIN doesn't make anyone real or not. If Dream Zanarkand is a massive Aeon, then Tidus and Jecht are aeons themselves, hence why Tidus began to fade when Yu Yevon was destroyed. No summoner, no Aeon.

Also, Yuna's aeons didn't disappear because Yu Yevon was defeated, they disappeared because their Fayths, having completed their mission, realized it wouldn't be necessary to keep sustaining them. The Fayths still exist, as proven in FFX-2. If all the aeons were destroyed along with Yu Yevon, then FFX-2 wouldn't make much sense. :dave:

The only Fayths that were released were the Fayths in Mt Gagazet. The others are still...stuck in the stone.

I don't get what you're responding to with this bit...




I know picking apart posts is a bit cheap, but really, all of that seems to be speculation on your part.

 

[Dean Winchester]

I've got to respond to this post, because quite frankly... well:

Never does it say that Dream Zanarkand physically exists in Spira itself, nor stated that Sin guards it religiously. I'm curious as to your source for this actually, because I don't remember any dialogue in the game about that.

But it also never contradicts this. I am basing myself on how other aeons are summoned. Once an aeon is summoned, it becomes a physical manifestation of the Dream of the Fayth (so it can touched, it can be seen, and it can kill). Since Dream Zanarkand was summoned by Yu Yevon, then it would only be natural that this giant summon were located in an specific location, not inside some imaginary dimension. Also it is stated in the game that SIN was created as a punishment, but its true purpose was to protect both Yevon and Dream Zanarkand. Now, why protect something that could be beyond the reach of anyone in Spira or that it could only be reach through a portal, inside Sin? A summoner can create anything as long as his power allows it, hence why only Yu Yevon was able to create a summon shaped like Zanarkand.

When Yu Yevon summoned Dream Zanarkand, he also summoned Sin as a means to protect both the city and himself while he sustained the summoning.

Sin was created to protect Yu Yevon whilst he continued the summoning, not so it could protect anything else in, or outside of, Spira. Bahamut's Fayth says as much in-game.

Agreed. To protect himself and his city.The only scraps of information we get are from people who didn't knew the whole truth. Mikka once stated that Yevon was the summoner who "crafts the souls of the dead into unholy armor" because everyone thought (himself included) that Sin was created to destroy Zanarkand as a punishment for machina abuse. People were always on the impression that the greatest machina city was Zanarkand when in fact, it was Bevelle.

Jecht was "touched by Sin" the day he was taken from Dream Zanarkand, so I imagine the same method of transportation applies there. Can't say for sure though.

Ok, we all agree that Sin is the only method of transportation that can reach Sin. Still, Sin is not a portal.

Auron: Don't make that face. Being dead has its advantages.
I was able to ride Sin and go to your Zanarkand. (Taken from the original script)

I know picking apart posts is a bit cheap, but really, all of that seems to be speculation on your part.

Like the different dimension theory. But in the end, they are just that, theories. So unless anyone here who knows Japanese can get the FF X-Ultimania Omega and post it here, all our discussions are mere speculations. :dave:

 

[Gaige]

Don't forget Sin corrupts. Jecht didn't want to become what he did, but I dare say all that power corrupted Yu Yevon just like it would the guardians who became its shell. He probably had good intentions at the beginning, but was corrupted by all that power. But he may have had that connection remaining to Zanarkand, dream or not, just like Jecht did and Tidus did. And this is possibly why Yu Yevon is able to travel back and forth. He felt that connection.

 

[Saix]

But it also never contradicts this. I am basing myself on how other aeons are summoned. Once an aeon is summoned, it becomes a physical manifestation of the Dream of the Fayth (so it can touched, it can be seen, and it can kill). Since Dream Zanarkand was summoned by Yu Yevon, then it would only be natural that this giant summon were located in an specific location, not inside some imaginary dimension. Also it is stated in the game that SIN was created as a punishment, but its true purpose was to protect both Yevon and Dream Zanarkand. Now, why protect something that could be beyond the reach of anyone in Spira or that it could only be reach through a portal, inside Sin? A summoner can create anything as long as his power allows it, hence why only Yu Yevon was able to create a summon shaped like Zanarkand.

When Yu Yevon summoned Dream Zanarkand, he also summoned Sin as a means to protect both the city and himself while he sustained the summoning.

But why are you treating Dream Zanarkand like an Aeon? There's absolutely no foundation for that way of thought at all, and that's what I'm saying. Guesswork that you're arguing as fact, which is nonsense.

Agreed. To protect himself and his city.The only scraps of information we get are from people who didn't knew the whole truth. Mikka once stated that Yevon was the summoner who "crafts the souls of the dead into unholy armor" because everyone thought (himself included) that Sin was created to destroy Zanarkand as a punishment for machina abuse. People were always on the impression that the greatest machina city was Zanarkand when in fact, it was Bevelle.

Not agreed then, lol. So the Fayth themselves don't know the whole truth behind Yu Yevon and the purpose of Sin? Golly, who told you?

Ok, we all agree that Sin is the only method of transportation that can reach Sin. Still, Sin is not a portal.

Auron: Don't make that face. Being dead has its advantages.
I was able to ride Sin and go to your Zanarkand. (Taken from the original script)

I didn't say Sin was the portal I made reference to, and that particular quote doesn't justify what you're saying at all lol.

Like the different dimension theory. But in the end, they are just that, theories. So unless anyone here who knows Japanese can get the FF X-Ultimania Omega and post it here, all our discussions are mere speculations. :dave:

I'm hardly arguing a point that it's in another dimension - that was a fleeting comment as an after-thought. Much unlike your thoughts on the matter however.