~+~The Sanctuary of a the Guardians of Nosgoth~+~

If i think back. I am sure that my patron, Malek (from the first game), has the same voice as Raziel. Is his name Michael somebody? I will check it.

EDIT: Bell!!! I think. Michael Bell.
 
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The actor who voices Malek is named Neil Ross. He was uncredited as a cast member.
 
Mortanius said:
The actor who voices Malek is named Neil Ross. He was uncredited as a cast member.
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Yes you are right, i have also just seen it. The voice just sounded familiar.

Mortanius said:
Raziel broke no rules as such, and Kain did not 'punish' Raziel in any sense. Playing his hand at changing destiny, Kain knew what would become of Raziel should he cast him into the abyss. Furthermore, he knew what paths would be unlocked by Raziel being so different.
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Kind of. Kain himself got some sense shaken into him when he started playing with time. When he saved Raziel at the end from the Soul Reaver time got shuffled around, even Kain didn't see what was going to happen. So really he didn't see all of Raziels paths. It could have turned out a lot worse whilst waiting for that 'edge of the coin'.
 
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EdenSeed said:
Yes you are right, i have also just seen it. The voice just sounded familiar.



Kind of. Kain himself got some sense shaken into him when he started playing with time. When he saved Raziel at the end from the Soul Reaver time got shuffled around, even Kain didn't see what was going to happen. So really he didn't see all of Raziels paths. It could have turned out a lot worse whilst waiting for that 'edge of the coin'.
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Yes, in fact the only unpredictable being was Raziel, for he could either choose to play the path of the "pawn" or decide his own destiny, like he did in Defiance. Originally, Raziel was imprisoned against his will thus creating the angry ravenous spirit of the Reaver we knew, but now that he willingly accepted to enter the blade and also since he brought with him the purified wraith Reaver with the souls of the previous balance guardians, the new Soul Reaver is pure of all corruption that was supposed to be brought by Raziel's madness and rage.

God this story can get quite complicated, look what happened when Kain assassinated the young king William the Just, all of that caused by Mobius of course.
 
It truly is the legecy of Kain. Strange how its gone full circle. With Kain killing the guardians, was actually a guardian himself and then creating his progeny and then manipulating them into making a better world again. Of sorts. Do we know what the world of Nosgoth is like now after the Elder Gods temporary defeat?
 
EdenSeed said:
It truly is the legecy of Kain. Strange how its gone full circle. With Kain killing the guardians, was actually a guardian himself and then creating his progeny and then manipulating them into making a better world again. Of sorts. Do we know what the world of Nosgoth is like now after the Elder Gods temporary defeat?
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Well he was not truly defeated, so I don't think much will change. Kain was left in the timeline after his younger self decided to damn the pillars to an eternity of decay. Not much it's supposed to change, but now that Kain is armed with the purified reaver, I wonder what will happen.

Also, Kain killed Mobius in that citadel right? And they were in the timeline when Kain murdered the guardians of the pillars, right?
Wasn't Mobius supposed to be already dead? :confused:

But now that I think of it, he is the Time Guardian and he has the Time Streaming Device at his disposal...
 
and he would know about it beforehand, so i think he is still alive in some space of time
 
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Also, Kain killed Mobius in that citadel right? And they were in the timeline when Kain murdered the guardians of the pillars, right?
Wasn't Mobius supposed to be already dead? :confused:

But now that I think of it, he is the Time Guardian and he has the Time Streaming Device at his disposal...
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Yeah its a weird one. When Kain kills Mobius in BO he does so shortly after he slays Vorador in a town somewhere. Anytime you see Mobius after that its back in time, he appears as a ghost to Raziel after this event. Or do you mean at the end when Raziel possesses him, ah i see what you mean. I wonder if When Raziel was saved from the Reaver time changed and Mobius didn't die at the hands of Kain after Voradors butchering? Umm, know what i mean?

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and he would know about it beforehand, so i think he is still alive in some space of time
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He said he had a certain level of omniscience but he was destined to die. Or did the Elder God help in this event? I think Mobius might be resurrected by him.
 
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Do you think? :) I found him to be the most honest one in the game Lol

He always hated and wanted to kill Kain, and he always wanted Raziel to kill Kain and do his bidding. The only thing i didn't see was him covorting with Mobius.

Does the Elder God have a connection to the Hylden or is he a seperate entity?
 
EdenSeed said:
Yeah its a weird one. When Kain kills Mobius in BO he does so shortly after he slays Vorador in a town somewhere. Anytime you see Mobius after that its back in time, he appears as a ghost to Raziel after this event. Or do you mean at the end when Raziel possesses him, ah i see what you mean. I wonder if When Raziel was saved from the Reaver time changed and Mobius didn't die at the hands of Kain after Voradors butchering? Umm, know what i mean?
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This means that the next LOK game has a lot of explaining to do :monster:
 
time is too complex for us lesser beings!

we need someone to be mobius so he/she can explain!
 
Yes we are still waiting for the Guardian if Mind. Someone really clever.

I have a question though. Do you think that with all the things that have happened, do you think that if the Guardians were not corrupted and were actually fighting the Hylden and the Elder God, do you think that stood a chance?
 
EdenSeed said:
Yes we are still waiting for the Guardian if Mind. Someone really clever.

I have a question though. Do you think that with all the things that have happened, do you think that if the Guardians were not corrupted and were actually fighting the Hylden and the Elder God, do you think that stood a chance?
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If the Guardians were not 'corrupted' in the first place, the killing of Ariel would not have taken place; meaning Kain would not have been forced to make his decision for preservation or sacrifice, ultimately destroying the Pillars and allowing Hash'ak'gik to appear in Nosgoth.


So yes, they would have stood a chance, because the Hylden wouldn't have gained a footing. :monster:
 
Yes but Vorador and Janos said that with every vampire that the Sarafan killed they were killing themselves. But i the end it was vampires that killed the Guardians.

I meant though as a battle of sorts, if there was a defined battleground. I feel the Guardians fell a bit too quickly. But then saying that, Kain failed to kill Malek himself.
 
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Yes but Vorador and Janos said that with every vampire that the Sarafan killed they were killing themselves. But i the end it was vampires that killed the Guardians.
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The Sarafan were formed from the corrupted Guardians Moebius and Mortanius. If neither were corrupt, there would be no Sarafan to slaughter the vampire race.

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I meant though as a battle of sorts, if there was a defined battleground. I feel the Guardians fell a bit too quickly. But then saying that, Kain failed to kill Malek himself.
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If they combined forces into one battle, then yes, they would overwhelm an adversary. However they were not being constructed for direct battle, so individually they could be considered weak. As for Malek, being Guardian of the Pillar of Conflict, he received powers which granted him excessive skills and capabilities beyond that of any standard warrior. Kain was... too young to have gained sufficient skill to combat Malek directly. Vorador was far older and more attuned to Vampire lore and power, and was thus able to.. well, pwn him. :monster:
 
I wonder how Mobius and Mortanius came under dark influence if the Guardians of Mind and Balance were still alive?

In wikipedia (ta FFGuy) it mentions Janos being appointed to protect the Reaver but after that it doesn't really mention anything about him. He seems to have dissappeared up until he was slain. I wondered what stories he had, thats assuming he tried to help protect the Pillars, cus at that time all the Guardians were already human and no Vampires were being born.
 
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