What's Cloud's Story

Ooooooooooooooooooooo, I love these questions. This will be a long read.

All right, first off, no he is NOT a clone. He does NOT have a # tatoo.

Allow me to clarify.

When Cloud was in Niblehiem, he did not reveal himself for who he was for certain reasons, but that's another story. He kept his identity secret until Sephiroth went mad and destroyed the town. Cloud followed him to the reactor where he saw Tifa attack Sephiroth and get badly injured. Cloud than attacked Sephiroth and stabbed him with Zacks sword. He than ran back to check on Tifa. Sephiroth walked out and Cloud follows him. Sephiroth stabs him through the shoulder, however Cloud manages to throw him off the edge into the reactor. Cloud than passes out from the wound.

Now, if you've read the letter in Tifa's 'room' than this will all be very clear. Shinra soon showed up after Sephiroth had destroyed the town. Hojo ordered to have all the survivors rounded up for experimentation. This includes Cloud and Zack. Tifa, however, was rescued by her instructor and was saved. Anyways, the 'experiment' involves submerging the subject in Mako, which is very deadly.

You probably know all this, but I'll continue for the sake of those that don't. The memories of past lives is forced into the persons mind, creating a confusing mixture of hundreds of different memorys from different lives. It becomes nearly impossible to sort out one's own memories from the myrid different others that don't belong. If a person likes their life (Zack) then remembering who they are is not much of a problem. If a person doesn't like their life (Cloud) it's very easy to let go of what you don't want to be. This is how Cloud managed to confuse himself as being Zack. He lost his own identity and so created one for himself as something that he had always wanted to be: a member of SOLDEIR. He used Zack in particular because Zack always told him stories of SOLDEIR life.

Cloud however was fortunate, so to speak, in this aspect. You see, he had something to become, something to latch onto and a story to back it up. The other Sephiroth 'clones' didn't have this and so completley lost themselves; they lost their identity. Their minds were broken and so they could easily be controlled by Sephiroth. I'll get back to this later.

The other part of the expeirement is injecting the subject with Jenova cells. Now keep in mind that Shinra wasn't trying to create a 'Sephiroth clone' but actually a clone of an Ancient. This is because the Shinra needed an Ancient to lead them to the promised land, which they thought was full of mako. Shinra injected them with Jenova cells because they thought that Jenova was an Ancient, which couldn't be more wrong. Anyways....The Jenova cells transform, if you will, the cells around them; a mutation. These mutations can incorporate some of Jenova's powers to a limited extent. One could call Cloud a mutant and that would be correct. The Mako submergtion is required to weaken the mind and thus the body's defense. With the defenses down, the cells can move in and 'attack' the normal cells. This is why Zack didn't change whereas Cloud did, because Zack was able to throw off the effects of the Mako and his body responded to the Jenova cells and killed them.

However, this experiement was interuppted, otherwise it would have been successful. Zack managed to break out and free Cloud as well. And as you know, Zack was killed but Cloud was left to die.

Now I'll get back to the part about the controlling the 'clones'. It must be made clear that Sephiroth is half-Jenova, so to speak. He is a half alien. There is a particular trait about this alien that must be brought up. This alien spieces can controll every single cell individually. Ever seen that movie 'The Thing'? Same situation. The alien can controll every cell. This also allows it to change shape at will. Since Sephiroth is a 'member' of this alien spieces, he retains the same trait of being able to controll all of his cells. Now, it must also be made clear that Jenova is [FONT=&quot]thoroughly [/FONT] dead. However, Sephiroth can controll the cells of his dead 'mother'. That includes the cells inside the 'clones'. So, Sephiroth was able to manipulate the cells inside the 'clones' and Cloud to make them do what he wants.
(the 'Sephiroth' you see in the game--it isn't actually THE Sephiroth. It's actually the body of Jenova that Sephiroth shape-changed to look like him. The real Sephiroth is actually diffused within the lifestream.)

With the clones it would be easy, just controll their minds. With Cloud it would be a little trickier. Sephiroth had to manipulate the already messed up memories Cloud has, to make him believe one thing or another. Namely, that he was nothing more than a clone and that he never had a name, etc. As you can imagine this would be a huge blow to Cloud and resulted in him giving the Black Materia to Sephiroth. However, the plunge into the Lifestream allowed Cloud, with Tifa's help, to find a memory of his own that would be susceptible to corruption. Basically it was the memory of why Cloud went to join SOLDEIR, but like I said, that's another story. The truth is revealed and Cloud finds himself in the end.

There. It's finished. I hope this helped.
 
Bloody hel Dragon Mage, that was fantastic.

But I still argue that you are interpreting based on your own opinion and what others have said. Look at Wikipedia, there are so many of us fans out here and there is very little on Cloud. Having said that, I think YOUR interpretation is very convincing.
 
Thank you! After uncounted hours of examining the few facts out there, I have come to this conclusion. But this is the first time I've written the whole thing out. I'm glad you liked it.
 
First of all, Brill post DM!

However theres afew things needing pointing out so I'll quickly disect and mention. Hope you don't mind, you really hit the head on most of it.

All right, first off, no he is NOT a clone. He does NOT have a # tatoo.
No he IS a clone, but doesn't have a tattoo. Reason for not having one is as I said earlier is due to escaping with Zack. Cloud was a successful experiment so was due to have one, but Zack was the failure due to the reasons you mentioned later in your post about being able to counter the Jenova cells.

You probably know all this, but I'll continue for the sake of those that don't. The memories of past lives is forced into the persons mind, creating a confusing mixture of hundreds of different memorys from different lives. It becomes nearly impossible to sort out one's own memories from the myrid different others that don't belong. If a person likes their life (Zack) then remembering who they are is not much of a problem. If a person doesn't like their life (Cloud) it's very easy to let go of what you don't want to be. This is how Cloud managed to confuse himself as being Zack. He lost his own identity and so created one for himself as something that he had always wanted to be: a member of SOLDEIR. He used Zack in particular because Zack always told him stories of SOLDEIR life.
Almost but no cigar. Due to the experiments Clouds mind was shatterd mentaly because of the Mako he was subjected too aswell as the Jenova Cells taking over his bodie. Because Zack was in SOLDIER, his mind was strong enough to fight back against these foreign conflicts to his bodie and stays fine (and thus failing as an experiment as a clone). Because Cloud isn't strong enough he easily falls victim to this, which was the intention of the experiment and thus Cloud becomes a 'Success''. Now After the escape Cloud is clearly suffering from what is known to them as Mako poisoning, basicly his mind in shambles and he hasn't got a clue whats going on. When Zack gets killed, the Jenova cells in Cloud mimic whats in Zacks mind to form Clouds fake past. Everything that Cloud wanted to be but wasn't, the things Zack went through with Tifa and Sephiroth at Nibelheim, everything that basicly turns out fake later to Cloud gets moulded with Clouds own memory's and thus creating an imaginary past and identidy.


Now I'll get back to the part about the controlling the 'clones'. It must be made clear that Sephiroth is half-Jenova, so to speak. He is a half alien. There is a particular trait about this alien that must be brought up. This alien spieces can controll every single cell individually. Ever seen that movie 'The Thing'? Same situation. The alien can controll every cell. This also allows it to change shape at will. Since Sephiroth is a 'member' of this alien spieces, he retains the same trait of being able to controll all of his cells. Now, it must also be made clear that Jenova is [FONT=&quot]thoroughly [/FONT]dead. However, Sephiroth can controll the cells of his dead 'mother'. That includes the cells inside the 'clones'. So, Sephiroth was able to manipulate the cells inside the 'clones' and Cloud to make them do what he wants.
Jenova is very much alive. When Sephiroth fell into the Lifestream he gained the Knowlage and Wisdom of the Ancients. Jenova is able to control its cells yes, but when Sephiroth gained the knowlage his 'will' became so strong that he couldn't be diffused into the Lifestream and managed to take control of Jenova itself instead of the otherway round. Sephiroth now pretty much takes on the role of Jenova. He manipulates Jenova to break out of the Shinra building and travel to the North Crater to 'reunite' with Sephiroth, along with the Sephiroth Clones that all hold Jenova cells including Cloud.

I hate to sound like a know it all but I've palyed this game so many times I know the story inside out and also read the Ultimania aswell as plot explainations from Square staff. Im a boff, sue me. :P
 
Moonchild, I hate to contradict but I think Dragon Mage is more accurate, at least in my view.

Both of you clearly know your stuff but I think it all comes down to what you feel is more accurate based on your own playing experiences.

Great posts though, very informative and enlightening.
 
Moonchild, I hate to contradict but I think Dragon Mage is more accurate, at least in my view.

Both of you clearly know your stuff but I think it all comes down to what you feel is more accurate based on your own playing experiences.

Great posts though, very informative and enlightening.
My knowlage in topics like these tend to have come from Ultimania and other difinitive resources. I might not explain them well but its canon. You cant answer these sorts of questions by merely playing the game cos it just doesnt give you all or even the right information, especially the English version.

Dragon Mage is on the right tracks, just afew things were off thats all.
 
Sooooooo anyone wanna tell me what happened to Cloud's REAL body?
 
Sooooooo anyone wanna tell me what happened to Cloud's REAL body?
Cloud's body is Clouds real body. Unless his misplaced it down the sofa oneday and quickly bodged up another one.

Hey if Cait Sith can do it, why not Cloud? :P
 
But I thought you said he was a clone...
OHHHHHHHHHHHmg brain fart. Nvm...

Jenova cells have the ability to change shape...
That was how hojo intended to make him into a clone...
 
But I thought you said he was a clone...
OHHHHHHHHHHHmg brain fart. Nvm...

Jenova cells have the ability to change shape...
That was how hojo intended to make him into a clone...
This is where the vast amount of confusion comes from. When we say 'Clone' we tend to think of a created copy of an original, maybe even an EXACT copy visual aswell. However this is not the case in the game, the writers terminology was abit off.

Shinra tried to copy Sephiroths ability's, not actually create a brand new Sephiroth.

So even tho Cloud is a 'Clone', he's not a Clone as we would normaly think of it when we hear the word. Thats where confusion lies lol
 
WOW, I've just been reading through all the posts since I last posted!!! You guys sure have been busy, especiall Dragon Mage and Moonchild! Thanks guys!
 
I don't even want to drag Advent Children into the picture...lol...but Kadaj and the others look a lot like sephiroth...this is because the Jenova cells allow you to change into a cetain form, right?
 
I don't even want to drag Advent Children into the picture...lol...but Kadaj and the others look a lot like sephiroth...this is because the Jenova cells allow you to change into a cetain form, right?
Yes don't drag AC or any of the others into it at the mo because it can contridict whats in the original game and thus making it more complicated. :P

Jenova cells don't allow you to change into a certain form, as far as I know anyways. The reason why those three look similar is because they are Sephiroths 'remenants'. ie individual parts to his personality have taken a somewhat physical form somehow. I try not dwell on this too much so I don't know much about it but i'll look into it when i get time.
 
Hmmm I thought perhaps that when a clone was created it would take on certain traits, and appear just as sephy does. =x
 
Hmmm I thought perhaps that when a clone was created it would take on certain traits, and appear just as sephy does. =x
Not necassarly. But the designers obviously wanted you to immediatly think theirs some sort of connection between them and Sephiroth so theres the genral reason for being all Sephy-like
 
Yes, of course you never get to see what any of the caped men look like...
Obviously they were all just defects trying to reuinite with their original body.
 
that whole story is confusing i dont care whether hes real or clone Cloud is Cloud and he kicks Butt
 
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