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Alright, another theory/question thread... I've bulleted the neccessary knowledge needed to participated in this thread.

*Yunalesca created a "dream Zanarkand" after the real one was destroyed to preserve its image. That is where the Fayth reside.

*Tidus was a "dream of the Fayth".

*Sin is Jecht, Tidus's father.

*Auron is dead.

When you start the game, Tidus is where? Is that the "real" Tidus way back before Zanarkand was destroyed? Was there actually a "real" Tidus way back before Zanarkand was destroyed? Or was it the "dream of the Fayth" Tidus? If so, was he in the "dream Zanarkand" Yunalesca created? Because if he was, how was he where the Fayth were... unless he too was a fayth (ie - inhabitant of Zanakand 1,000 years ago)? Or was he in a dream of the dream Zanarkand, which would make sense because Auron visited him there and he isn't a fayth?

Secondly, if Tidus is only a "dream of the Fayth" and was never real, does that mean his relationship with his "father" isn't real either. In other words, if Tidus was solely the creation of the Fayth's imagination, does that his relationship to Jecht is merely imagined as well? For that to be true, it does not matter if Tidus became real after contacting Sin, because it happened after he was "created".

Thirdly, when did "dream of the Fayth" Tidus become real? Is it when Auron met him in "Zanarkand" and Sin pulled him through to Spira? Or was it when Tidus encountered Sin on Riku's boat near Baaj Temple?
 
Aztec Triogal said:
Alright, another theory/question thread... I've bulleted the neccessary knowledge needed to participated in this thread.

*Yunalesca created a "dream Zanarkand" after the real one was destroyed to preserve its image. That is where the Fayth reside.

*Tidus was a "dream of the Fayth".

*Sin is Jecht, Tidus's father.

*Auron is dead.

When you start the game, Tidus is where? Is that the "real" Tidus way back before Zanarkand was destroyed? Was there actually a "real" Tidus way back before Zanarkand was destroyed? Or was it the "dream of the Fayth" Tidus? If so, was he in the "dream Zanarkand" Yunalesca created? Because if he was, how was he where the Fayth were... unless he too was a fayth (ie - inhabitant of Zanakand 1,000 years ago)? Or was he in a dream of the dream Zanarkand, which would make sense because Auron visited him there and he isn't a fayth?

Secondly, if Tidus is only a "dream of the Fayth" and was never real, does that mean his relationship with his "father" isn't real either. In other words, if Tidus was solely the creation of the Fayth's imagination, does that his relationship to Jecht is merely imagined as well? For that to be true, it does not matter if Tidus became real after contacting Sin, because it happened after he was "created".

Thirdly, when did "dream of the Fayth" Tidus become real? Is it when Auron met him in "Zanarkand" and Sin pulled him through to Spira? Or was it when Tidus encountered Sin on Riku's boat near Baaj Temple?
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You start out the game in the dream Zanarkand.

There never was a real Tidus, he is just the dream version of the remembered person Shuuyin (FF X-2 explains).

Tidus is just an inhabitant of the dream of the Fayth, but is not a Fayth himself.

He technically isn't where the Fayth were because he is in the dream of the Fayth.

Auron was able to visit him because he
was an unsent
, and can pass into the dream
as he is just spiritual NRG
.

Tidus' relationship with Jecht was very real...or as real as the dream was.

Tidus became real, for lack of better term, when he encountered Sin in the dream Zanarkand. For him to become real only after contacting Sin near Baaj temple wouldn't really make sense as that would mean that Rikku and Brother and the entire thing didn't happen, which is shown that it did when you can go back to that Temple and you can fight the big fish-thing that tried to eat Tidus before he met Rikku, and when you encounter Rikku right before Guadosalam when she's lying on the river bank.

ok my brain hurts now. but i think i might have answered the question.
 
lol I didn't remember the Shuuyin part but for the rest of it, you're just fact stating. The problem is... is that some of those "facts" are kinda contradictory. You're not wrong... but its why I make these discussion threads. I guess I should have separated things I actually didn't know... like the Shuuyin and when did Tidus become real parts... with the parts that were purely theoretical.

I did know that the game starts in dream Zanarkand but it doesn't make sense. You're following two statements do contradict. It is what the game explains... but I like taking things one step beyond the game to see if you can "discover truths" that weren't ever actually written into the games. My bad on poorly phrasing it.

Tidus is just an inhabitant of the dream of the Fayth, but is not a Fayth himself.

He technically isn't where the Fayth were because he is in the dream of the Fayth.
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lol I didn't remember the Shuuyin part but for the rest of it, you're just fact stating. The problem is... is that some of those "facts" are kinda contradictory. You're not wrong... but its why I make these discussion threads. I guess I should have separated things I actually didn't know... like the Shuuyin and when did Tidus become real parts... with the parts that were purely theoretical.

I did know that the game starts in dream Zanarkand but it doesn't make sense. You're following two statements do contradict. It is what the game explains... but I like taking things one step beyond the game to see if you can "discover truths" that weren't ever actually written into the games. My bad on poorly phrasing it.
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i actually thought you phrased it rather well, confusing as all hell, but well.lol.

anyways,
those two statements are contradictory on some level, but together they make a little sense, what i was trying to say was (and i probably should have put this instead): that Tidus is not a Fayth but a product of the dream of the Fayth so he is not where they are since he didnt really exist.

a lot of the game is confusing anyways, and the story is great, but it just runs circles around my mind.
 
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That Fayth do not live in Dream Zanarkand. The live in the temples of Spira, where they join with the summoners.

Dream Zanarkand is a dream of the Fayths, the people living in this dream are not Fayths themselves, just creations of the dream which mirror reality. Shuyin was the "base model" if you want to call it that for the way Tidus looks. But without counting X-2, I always thought that Tidus looks like Chappu for the same reason, Chappu was the base model in this case.

Tidus and Jecht in my mind, never lived in the real Zanarkand. If they did, the surely they'd have known of summoners, fayths and the other parts of Spira. Tidus and Jecht only know of Zanarkand, because Zanarkand is the only place in the dream. It's their "world."

Think of the Dream Zanarkand as a parallel world to Spira. Even though Tidus was not real, he was born, and grew up, the fayth were dreaming everyone's life, you can think of this as "The Sims" people are created and live out their lives, but are not real. Jecht dissapeared 10 years prior to X, where he went to the real world, then met Braska and Auron. He wasn't brought from the real Zanarkand through time, 1000 years into the future. Dream Zanarkand's events are working in parallel to Spira's. The same with Tidus when he goes to Spira.

Bahamut's fayth you see in the dream Zanarkand, which is perfectly possible, how many times have you been in your own dream? That does not mean the population of Dream Zanarkand are ALL fayths. Notice Bahamut's Fayth is sort've ghost like, you can see-through him slightly, but the rest of the people there are opaque.

If Tidus had lived in the Real Zanarkand and died, when you visit the Farplane, he would not of been able to leave, this is why Auron stays outside and doesn't go in. Notice Tidus fades away, rathar than just turn into a bunch of Pyreflies straight away.

Tidus became "real" after Auron and Jecht brought him to Spira. Jecht became a fayth for Braska, which means he is now also dreaming of Zanarkand even though he is Sin. Thus, being able to travel between reality and the dream. Auron can go back and forth via "riding" Sin because he is dead.
 
In the beginning, you are in Dream Zanarkand. You are Dream Tidus, created by the Fayth of present day (the Fayth being the inhabitants of the 1000-year old Zanarkand). We can assume that real Tidus (if there ever was one) is dead and rotting his 1000-year old ass off.

Now, Sin can travel back and forth between the Dream Zanarkand and the real world Spira. Since Jecht misses his son (as we find out after beating him) he decides to transport him to the real world via contact in case some douche summoner happens to do what Yuna will eventually do: Find a way to rid of Yu Yevon and let the Fayth stop dreaming.

We can assume that the relation between Jecht and Tidus was real, because both Jecht and Tidus came to the real world and became 'real'.

Then again maybe these endless questions aren't meant to have an answer, only clues, leading you through a psychological labyrinth of the great unknown.
 
What DLFlux has stated is true. Most of these facts are based on what Square have said in the Ultimania guide. I can also add that Sin isn't supposed to travel between Dream Zanarkand and Spira - its the reason why the Fayth dreamed of this Zanarkand. Jecht chose to overstep these boundries, and you can see what happened when he did - Sin auto targets Cities with machina, and since Dream Zanarkand is a machina city, Sin destroyed it.

The Ultimania guide even shows you where Dream Zanarkand is located in Spira. You might find a map on Google or something.

Here's a thread on Gamefaqs that explains everything:http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=2000008&topic=21477330
 
The dream zanarkand was created for those the summoners failed to protect during the war WITH Bevelle rather than give up and surrender they established the laws of yevon in order preserve the honour of yu yevon first started by yunalesca and zaon when sin was created to destroy the the machina cities.

The summoners felt they had failed the peo[ple of zanarkand so rather than let them die they created the dream world in which they could live forever......thats whaty them folks on Mt Gagazet were doing they sacrificed themselves for this cuase so that from a collective memory a =dream zanarkand could be created.

think of the logistics of such a thing man when did they start thre dreaming at, by that I mean how many years into the past did they make the dream zanarkand a 1000 years befor itwas destroyed a 100 years, the most likly scenario is the dreaming started from the earliest memories of the fayths on Gagazet but surely theycould not have lived a 1000 years so how the hell do you generate 1000 years of history.

Do you think the people in the dream world lived out there lives over and over again.....But remember yu yevon was a summoner in the real zanarkand in order to save the lives of his people they created the dream zanarkand they could only do this by having the survivers of the war sacrifice themselves and become fayths and Yu yevon Summoned the Dream Zanarkand from the memoies of the fayth and sin was created to be armor to protect yu yevon during the summoning for 1000 years.

I think that about sums it up . Hey nice thread dude
 
If tidus was a dream

hey, dont know if this has been posted elsewhere, if it is then by all means close this thread or merge them.

now we all know that tidus is a dream (if you didnt and didnt want to know you should noit read a thread with its description "warning ss spoilers")

but wouldnt that therefore mean that Jecht was a dream? and if so, if the fayth all stopped dreaming wouldnt he himself disapear and thus destroy sin and yu yevon and leaving him with no new aeon to control? and therefore save alot of lives (kilika)

anyone have any ideas
 
The Fayth were dreaming because of sin. basically look at it this way they are being forced to dream by the eternal agreement to vanquish sin. So with that thought if they quit dreaming then sin yea might die completely, but Yu Yeven would still exist and he could go to the farplane and be reborn with no hope of being killed.
 
Go to page 3 i think of the FFX section the thread is titled Tidus.

Will do vayne:)
 
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What I've posted in another thread:
DLFlux said:
That's why you have to take out Yu Yevon, because he's using the Fayth to summon Dream Zanarkand (hense why Tidus ends up in that dream when he touches the Fayth on the top of Mt Gagazet) The dreams of the Fayth are what is keeping Zanarkand alive, so aslong as Yu Yevon is using the power of these Fayths, they'll continue to dream.
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DLFlux said:
Think of Dream Zanarkand the same way as Aeons. If you Summoned, say Bahamut and kept him with you for the whole time, you'll be constantly using the Fayth.

With Dream Zanarkand, it's the same, because Yu Yevon has summoned the Dream Zanarkand, which exists in parrarel time to Spira, the summoning is never ending, meaning the Fayth are being used every second of every day, with Yu Yevon gone, the Dream Zanarkand is no longer being summoned because noone is using the Fayth anymore, so the Fayth are free.
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So in short, Yu Yevon is responsible for both Sin and the dream Zanarkand. With him gone, Sin is gone, the Fayth's power is no longer being used and they are free, and stop dreaming. Yu Yevon is the source.
 
Thanks to laguna's dream for pointing out this other thread - however, I'd appreciate it more, next time, if you reported the thread directly. It's a much more efficient way of getting things done.

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