The Madonna Effect

Also saying effective parenting would negate the influence is extremely naive as well. There is no way to negate the effect society and pop-culture has on people without locking your child in their room and not letting them read the any current ,newspapers,magazines, literature, use the internet, or watch tv and movies.

Oh, yes, my friend there is. It's called active parenting, and it's how I was raised, so don't tell me it isn't possible. No one says that being a parent is easy. It's a hard thing to do, but it is their responsblity.

It's really sad that it's as simple to get away with something as to say that I did because I saw it on tv. I never did anything I saw on TV, because my parents made sure to parent. Madonna, or a game maker or a model or a teenager, are not your children's parent. It's not her responsablity to censor herself or the real world for your children, that's their parent's job.

You seem naive to me. I don't believe a single person here is saying that a celebrity should be able to do anything. Madonna's sexual, oh boy that's evil, you say. She's not murdering anyone, doing drugs, or even telling children to behave a certain way. She's just being who she wants to be, and that's something that is not actively hurting anyone.

So, now sex is allowed, but evil? The elephant in the room. I've known everything there is to know about it, but I've never done it, have I? I've seen it on TV since I was a child, but I didn't do it at nine, did I?

But you know what, sex is not something to be ashamed, not something that should be hidden and not talked about. IF anything, that's what makes people do it, because it's the "bad" thing to do.

Sex is not "dirty", it's part of life. The real world is not censored.

Parents should not be allowing their children to listen to sexual music, should they? That's their job, it's what they're there to do. When I was a kid, I didn't watch movies that were rated over pg-13, and then sometimes not them. Most parents just don't care anymore.

Research, this a message board, I wasn't aware that I was wrtting a thesis. If that's the case, let's see MLA citation of your sources.
 
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Your points are mute because we are talking about youths. They are easily influenced. So saying "they choose to idolize who they want to" or whatever is just ridiculous. They are youths so it doesn't mean they are mindless. Society and friends have a bigger effect on who teens become then parents. That isn't my opinion but a widely believed idea.

The problem is the penalty it comes with isn't her own to carry. She doesnt even have to feel it's sting, but honestly it doesn't sound like you are even looking at what I'm saying past level 1.

If you think that people don't have to care about the effect they have on others you are extremely selfish. If you think celerities don't have a bigger effect so they should be even more weary of it then you are naive. You should care how you effect others, because it's your responsibility. Rights are given out as freely as responsibility, and both should be paid attention to.

You can't simply do whatever you want. You just can't, and people who do whatever they want without thinking of it's effect on others are not good people. If they don't care about being good people then that's fine. I just assume most people find that to be important if not the most important thing.

Just because something is allowed doesn't make it ok. It's legal for me to cheat on my wife if I am married but is that really better for me to do then smoke weed? Something being allowed doesn't in ANY WAY AT ALL make it ok or the right thing to do.

Also saying effective parenting would negate the influence is extremely naive as well. There is no way to negate the effect society and pop-culture has on people without locking your child in their room and not letting them read the any current ,newspapers,magazines, literature, use the internet, or watch tv and movies.

Everyone can go ahead and be blind to that fact the celebrities have an effect on society whether people want them to or not. It's not a conscious decision people make, and it's a fact they have an effect. People don't go "OMG I'm going to let THAT celebrity effect me". That's simply not how it works. People Don't CHOOSE to let someone effect them. That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. It's probably pointless to even point that out because I'm sure it will be ignored by the type of people who believe people choose what effects them. So if your opinion disagrees and you don't plan on doing research on the effect the society has on children then whatever we agree to disagree.
You seem to be undermining our youth. As padmelover said, corrective parenting is what's needed. Any parent worth their salt will be able to spot if their child is being influenced by someone they shouldn't (celebrity or otherwise) and take disciplinary action. You can't shelter the youth and some things will be presented to them anyways, but this is when the youth uses their own knowledge and common sense. A person under 18 years old has common sense. The youth won't be influenced by the wrong people with good parenting.

With over 6 billion people in the world, you expect me to care about all of them? Sorry, I have my own life and my own problems I have to worry about. The ones I care about will get my attention if they have a problem, but everyone else in the world is not my concern. That doesn't make me selfish, that makes me realistic. I can't solve the worlds problems because I don't have the resources for such, so they have to fight their own battles. If someone decides to follow my footsteps without my knowledge or guidance, then that does NOT make me responsible for them. Once they choose to follow me and I never influenced them to, it now becomes their responsibility.

Actually, cheating on your wife is illegal, an act called adultry. Even though it's hard to pin evidence for conviction, the divorce procedings acts as their penalty. I would love for the world to consist of people who never did wrong. But as you know, this world is far from perfect and it's not my responsibilty, nor is it Madonna's for all the wrong that happens. Should she act the way she does? It's debatable, as we are currently debating it. But if the way she acts is so criminal, it's not her responsibility, she's just being herself or trying to get ahead in her life. She could care and maybe she does care, but either way, it's not her problem and it shouldn't be.
 
She can do whatever she wants.Non of my bussiness and I don't really care,although her attitude gets on my nerves cause she has a really big idea about herself.I think she has the appropriate body to dress the way she does and no one has discouraged her from doing so,actually she's getting lots of encouragement.Also it's not the same to compare Madonna and an everyday 50 year old woman,one is a performer the other is not.The performer is supposed to be eccentric,that's her job,that's the only way her career is gonna keep going.If now you see an everyday person dressed like that and behave like that,you'll propably think of him/her as immature.And you'll be right,I believe outside of show-bussiness we should behave what it's appropriate about age.I saw once a pic saying Twilight-moms and it really didn't make me all that happy.
 
And you'll be right,I believe outside of show-bussiness we should behave what it's appropriate about age.I saw once a pic saying Twilight-moms and it really didn't make me all that happy.

I had to respond to this, I just had to. I absolutely agree with the Twilight moms thing. There's nothing wrong with liking the books or even talking about a book, no matter what age you are. There is something wrong with acting less mature than your children over something. Obession isn't really ever a good thing, but it's almost always a part of teenagers, and adults should know better.

I agree with your post as well, but would like to add that half the reason I started this thread is because I noticed that older woman are starting to act like Madonna. My grandmother starting acting like her, even though she has clue who she is. I don't like to think about what she does, but I can't say that it's really wrong until she crosses a legal or moral line. And I don't consider sex that line.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that sex is great and everyone, no matter age, should have, but I don't think it's dirty. It's part of life. But I've never had sex and aren't planning to because of anything but myself, because it's my decison, not someone else's.

People who blame society for their actions don't acknowledge that we all have free will. They're doing the human thing and blaming someone else.
 
Murdurner....number one hates to be called that. Let me explain life to you people. Would you...lets use logic here....would you really want to wear the SAME shit over and over and over for 20 goddamn years? She is forced to.....forced TO....as all celebrities commissioned at gun point by topmen are forced to because they get whats called pigeon holed to push political agenda. Let me show you all something. When you are an asshole top ranking general with an agenda, and you want to catch they eye and ear of masses, what do you do? You get celebrities under a threat to continue in the same shit, same theme, same genre, same costume....in order to capture and keep the attention of masses. Its more simple than we would like for it to be. You tack their face/name/cause to a product and people purchase the product...which gives a huge ass surplus for war support. Madonna...I am not a fan....but I do give a healthy shit about everyone on the globe enough to pop their heads out of their ass so they can see the operation. If Madonnas topman would read my Tavistock post, he would quit his job, as every topman does. And she would be free. ( text it the guy above you) And she would be free to be the shit kicker she has wanted to be since 1991. Don't fuck with me, kid. There ya go...."get to finding all post"...

Everyone needs to understand, Michael Jacksons favorite song was Garth Brooks- Friends in low places. He did not want his uniform. Don't you change your apparel like every couple of months? You add to your own look, don't you. WHY don't they as humans do the same. Ask this question, and then step into my world. And something else fuggled, find me a 50 year old man with the voice Michael Jackson had when he was just speaking, not singing. You talk about some pain. Throat surgery....Why do they not off themselves, you ask? Simple.

" You kill your self, kid, I will have your wife and kids raped, tortured and murdered and tell them I warned you not to do it. " Old fuckin line....its ok, I understand. Just text the tavistock post and you too are free....
 
Murdurner....number one hates to be called that. Let me explain life to you people. Would you...lets use logic here....would you really want to wear the SAME shit over and over and over for 20 goddamn years? She is forced to.....forced TO....as all celebrities commissioned at gun point by topmen are forced to because they get whats called pigeon holed to push political agenda. Let me show you all something. When you are an asshole top ranking general with an agenda, and you want to catch they eye and ear of masses, what do you do? You get celebrities under a threat to continue in the same shit, same theme, same genre, same costume....in order to capture and keep the attention of masses. Its more simple than we would like for it to be. You tack their face/name/cause to a product and people purchase the product...which gives a huge ass surplus for war support. Madonna...I am not a fan....but I do give a healthy shit about everyone on the globe enough to pop their heads out of their ass so they can see the operation. If Madonnas topman would read my Tavistock post, he would quit his job, as every topman does. And she would be free. ( text it the guy above you) And she would be free to be the shit kicker she has wanted to be since 1991. Don't fuck with me, kid. There ya go...."get to finding all post"...

Everyone needs to understand, Michael Jacksons favorite song was Garth Brooks- Friends in low places. He did not want his uniform. Don't you change your apparel like every couple of months? You add to your own look, don't you. WHY don't they as humans do the same. Ask this question, and then step into my world. And something else fuggled, find me a 50 year old man with the voice Michael Jackson had when he was just speaking, not singing. You talk about some pain. Throat surgery....Why do they not off themselves, you ask? Simple.

" You kill your self, kid, I will have your wife and kids raped, tortured and murdered and tell them I warned you not to do it. " Old fuckin line....its ok, I understand. Just text the tavistock post and you too are free....

You must be in a cult or something. It also sounds like you are probably one of those people big into conspiracy theories.

You claim to use logic but all I find are unsubstantiated conclusions.

Don't spout nonsense, be concise, try again.

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Murdurner....number one hates to be called that. Let me explain life to you people. Would you...lets use logic here....would you really want to wear the SAME shit over and over and over for 20 goddamn years? She is forced to.....forced TO....as all celebrities commissioned at gun point by topmen are forced to because they get whats called pigeon holed to push political agenda. Let me show you all something. When you are an asshole top ranking general with an agenda, and you want to catch they eye and ear of masses, what do you do? You get celebrities under a threat to continue in the same shit, same theme, same genre, same costume....in order to capture and keep the attention of masses. Its more simple than we would like for it to be. You tack their face/name/cause to a product and people purchase the product...which gives a huge ass surplus for war support. Madonna...I am not a fan....but I do give a healthy shit about everyone on the globe enough to pop their heads out of their ass so they can see the operation. If Madonnas topman would read my Tavistock post, he would quit his job, as every topman does. And she would be free. ( text it the guy above you) And she would be free to be the shit kicker she has wanted to be since 1991. Don't fuck with me, kid. There ya go...."get to finding all post"...

Everyone needs to understand, Michael Jacksons favorite song was Garth Brooks- Friends in low places. He did not want his uniform. Don't you change your apparel like every couple of months? You add to your own look, don't you. WHY don't they as humans do the same. Ask this question, and then step into my world. And something else fuggled, find me a 50 year old man with the voice Michael Jackson had when he was just speaking, not singing. You talk about some pain. Throat surgery....Why do they not off themselves, you ask? Simple.

" You kill your self, kid, I will have your wife and kids raped, tortured and murdered and tell them I warned you not to do it. " Old fuckin line....its ok, I understand. Just text the tavistock post and you too are free....

What in the world did you just say? I'm sorry but I couldn't understand even a single line of it, other than the whole change your clothes thing. I think I understood that.

Oh, and did MJ have throat surgery? I didn't know that.

So, please explain what you mean so that we can continue to have a meaningful conversation about this.
 
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