Sephiroth vs. Superman

Seriously, the majority of you guys are always giving Sephiroth kryptonite out of nowhere to kill Superman. Where does it say that Seph gets kryptonite to begin with? Read the Crystal's latest post to understand. Anyways, I give up and say that Chuck Norris comes in and beats them both. Why? He's Chuck Norris.
 
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Why everyone is talking about Materia? Sephiroth don't need to use it. In AC, Kadaj drinks the J-cells in the box and Seph use it to shapeshift in his own image. His body is made of J-cells in the movie. Remember the fights that we have with Jenova in the game? Her cells have the power to use magic, meaning that Seph can do it too.

And the source of Materia is the Lifestream. Why Sephiroth would use Materia, when he have controll over the source itself?

And if you guys are talking about Pre-Nibel Sephiroth, he could use Materia if he wanted. But he doesn't do it frequently. He used it in FFVII(Cloud's flashback), but it was retconed in the Compilation. During Before Crisis and Last Order, Sephiroth never used Materia. He prefer to rely in his natural strength, and in his spiritual power(ki/chi).
 
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The Crystal said:
Why everyone is talking about Materia? Sephiroth don't need to use it. In AC, Kadaj drinks the J-cells in the box and Seph use it to shapeshift in his own image. His body is made of J-cells in the movie. Remember the fights that we have with Jenova in the game? Her cells have the power to use magic, meaning that Seph can do it too.

And the source of Materia is the Lifestream. Why Sephiroth would use Materia, when he have controll over the source itself?

And if you guys are talking about Pre-Nibel Sephiroth, he could use Materia if he wanted. But he doesn't do it frequently. He used it in FFVII(Cloud's flashback), but it was retconed in the Compilation. During Before Crisis and Last Order, Sephiroth never used Materia. He prefer to rely in his natural strength, and in his spiritual power(ki/chi).
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Oh, come on! I understand retconning things to fill in plot holes, but they did that to make Seph stronger?! How much more will SE wank Sephiroth? If they keep this up, he'll be the Square-Enix equivalent of Wolverine (or Godverine, take your pick).
 
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- super-strenght(can cut buildings): Um, his sword did the work.
- can use his chi/ki to attack(destroyed a military helicopter): I seriously don't remember this.
- have a body made of J-cells that don't need to eat or breathe or sleep, don't feel fatigue, and have reflexes beyong normal humans: Reflexes, maybe. The former has yet to be proven.
- can fly: To a limited extent.
- become intangible: Never seen that.
- create illusions: So far, the only illusion he showed was when he stabbed Tseng.
- have all magic in FFVII universe because of his control over the Tainted Lifestream(barrier, Death, Super Nova, and MANY others.): Supernova was a game mechanic, and therefore null and void.
- super-speed(so fast that can disappear): Maybe KH Seph can do that, but not AC Sephiroth. AC Sephiroth isn't that fast.
- telekinesis: No.
- can create life: Seriously, show me proof that this happened!
- have the most powerfull will in FF series: And that's involved in a fight, how?
- can create objects/weapons out of nowhere
- with a wave of his hand, send people and objects to "another dimension"(like Nero), where they die: What? Hell no!
- cover the sky with Tainted Lifestream and attack his enemies(or attack the planet itself and "destroy" it, like he wanted to do in AC): I don' remember that doing anything, it was mostly just for show.

Also, I seems I make a mistake. In the time it'd take for Sephiroth to blink, he'd already be dead. Also, here are some speed feats for Pre-Crisis Superman:

Covering a asteroid-like enemy with its own covering within thousandsth of a second.
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Here's him traveling trillions of miles in seconds without breaking a sweat.
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Moves so fast that he becomes invisible.
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Superman traveling so fast he breaks through the time barrier.
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LordofInfinity said:
- super-strenght(can cut buildings): Um, his sword did the work.
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Dude... Look at everything he did during the series. Do you really thing he have the same strength than us? Hell, do you belive that you are as strong as a SOLDIER? He have super strength, please don't argue against that.

- can use his chi/ki to attack(destroyed a military helicopter): I seriously don't remember this.
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Happened in Before Crisis. The old Avalanche's group/army kidnaped Hojo and flied away in a helicopter. But then, Sephiroth(that was in the ground) destroyed it.

- have a body made of J-cells that don't need to eat or breathe or sleep, don't feel fatigue, and have reflexes beyond normal humans: Reflexes, maybe. The former has yet to be proven.
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Jenova is a colony of cells that was travelling in space before crashing in Gaia. It can survive in space, and each of it's cells can give power to others(but no weakness) or even kill them(with a virus).
Jenova is just a colony of alien cells, without any human weakness, but with many diferent abilities.

- can fly: To a limited extent.
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Well, in the movie and the game i don't remember of being limited. He just flied.

- become intangible: Never seen that
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Play the game again. He did that in the Shinra Ship, and Ancient Temple.

- create illusions: So far, the only illusion he showed was when he stabbed Tseng.
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That wasn't an illusion. How an illusion can hurt someone?
But he created an illusion of himself and Nibelheim, in the Northern Crater remember?

- have all magic in FFVII universe because of his control over the Tainted Lifestream(barrier, Death, Super Nova, and MANY others.): Supernova was a game mechanic, and therefore null and void.
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Every attack is used in game mechanics. Doesn't mean that the character cannot do that in the story. The comet destroying the solar system is an illusion, but the attack is real. When someone lose HP is not just game mechanics, but is someone being harmed/hurted in the story.

- super-speed(so fast that can disappear): Maybe KH Seph can do that, but not AC Sephiroth. AC Sephiroth isn't that fast.
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Because AC Seph didn't want to be. Omega Weiss IS that fast, because he was using the power of the Lifestream. Considering the fact that Seph can controll the Lifestream, and that SE said they will never create someone more powerful than him, i don't see why he couldn't use it to boost his speed like happened with Weiss.

- telekinesis: No.
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Play the game again. In the core of the world(before Bizarro), he picked Avalanche in the air and was crushing their bodies.

- can create life: Seriously, show me proof that this happened!
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In the translation of the UOG it's said that "Kadaj, Loz, and Yazoo are referred to as physical manifestations of Sephiroth's spirit and will three times in the English text, with the specific wording used in Japanese being something akin to "will bodies of Sephiroth's thoughts" on one of those occasions and "phantoms of Sephiroth" on another. Also, Kadaj is said to represent Sephiroth's cruelty, while Yazoo represents his allure and Loz represents his strength."
They are part of Sephiroth. If they can create the Shadow Creepers, then Sephiroth can do the same and probably much more. And depending of our interpretation we can even say that Sephiroth created KLY.


- have the most powerfull will in FF series: And that's involved in a fight, how?
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In a fight against Superman it isn't. But against a telepath it could help him. Controlling the mind of someone with a powerful will is very hard.

- with a wave of his hand, send people and objects to "another dimension"(like Nero), where they die: What? Hell no!
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Well, i'm not 100% sure about this, but is possible. Nero gained his power because of the Stagnant Lifestream. But even if S-Lifestream is diferent than the normal one, is still spirit energy. During FFVII, Seph was absorbing a great quantity of spirit energy indiscriminately. He probably absorbed S-Lifestream. And his Tainted Lifestream in AC was like a "viral" Lifestream, infecting the planet. So, he could have corrupted the S-L and gained its powers(like he did with the normal one).

- cover the sky with Tainted Lifestream and attack his enemies(or attack the planet itself and "destroy" it, like he wanted to do in AC): I don' remember that doing anything, it was mostly just for show.
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I never saw it, but many people i know(that know much more about FFVII than me) said that in the AC Director's Comentary, exist an interview(with Kitase i believe) where he said that what covered the sky was Tainted Lifestream.
Sephiroth was begining the process of transforming the planet in a vessel to "travel the darkness of the cosmos".

Also, I seems I make a mistake. In the time it'd take for Sephiroth to blink, he'd already be dead.
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Not dead, but he would be defeated. Another ability of Seph is regenaration. Each time you fight against Jenova, what you are fighting is a part of the body Seph is controlling. For example, he take off his arm and throw against the party(and it transform in a giant tentacle monster). But the next time you see him, he have both arms.
In the battle against Bizzarro, i remember that he could regenerate parts of his body too(it was so annoying).

I'm not saying that he wins, but i don't know if Super can kill him in the first attack.

And another ability of Sephiroth is shapeshift.
 
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SEPHIROTH CAN DEFEAT SUPERMAN!!!
Sephiroth has a strongggg body and superman has one too but it looks fake I don't know why....
Well but Sephiroth is stronger than that big body guy
 
Big Boss said:
I suppose I should have mentioned this. Superman is vulnerable to magic. He has absolutely no defense against it. He could easily be killed by a "Death" spell, put to "Sleep", "Petrified", transformed into "Mini" or a "Frog", and his speed could be cut in half by a "Slow" spell, or he could even be "Stopped" in his tracks. Even if he tried to pre-empt Sephiroth, Sephiroth would probably have "Sneak Attack" equipped to his armor in conjunction with some other magic materia to combat Superman.

About 3000 Superman comics I own say I know what I am talking about. In the comic series "Batman Return of the Dark Knight", Bruce Wayne beat the living hell out of Superman, with the help of Green Arrow and his Mecca armor. Batman, people come on. Did I forget to mention that Bruce Wayne was 65 years of age when he beat the hell out of Clark? He was. And Clark didn't even appear to have aged. He just doesn't know how to use his awesome powers. He needs to go back to Superhero academy and retake Superpowers 101, because he obviously received an F. Even MARVEL's Thor has beaten Superman. And if you saw Ultimate Avengers, Sephiroth moves a hell of a lot better than Thor in Advent Children. You know why Thor beat Superman? Because Thor's powers are magic based.

Having said all that... I think that Sephiroth stands a significant chance.
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A'yo, at first, I was going to come on here and say,"Against Superman??? Superman!?!?!?", but after reading that, Superman sorta sucks...
 
Okay, did everyone completely ignore my scans? Oh, and Big Boss, about him Superman losing to Batman, that's called jobbing. And I'm pretty sure that was Post-Crisis Superman.
 
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also to go back on sephiroth having the strongest will in the ff series didnt cloud beat him in a test of wills at the end of ff?
 
FFGuy said:
also to go back on sephiroth having the strongest will in the ff series didnt cloud beat him in a test of wills at the end of ff?
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He does in ff7 universe.

I am pretty sure nojima,nomura etc have stated that quite a lot of times.
 
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also to go back on sephiroth having the strongest will in the ff series didnt cloud beat him in a test of wills at the end of ff?
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Of what i understand, Sephiroth's will is his ambition, his controll over J-cells, the capacity to survive the Lifestream, etc. Resuming, it's his mental capability/power.
But in the end of FFVII, it was just a spiritual battle. Cloud's spirit/soul against Sephiroth. After Sephiroth's soul was "destroyed" his will became weaker, and freed Holly.

TyphoonThaReapa said:
A'yo, at first, I was going to come on here and say,"Against Superman??? Superman!?!?!?"
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This is very normal. For some reason, many people didn't pay atention to the story of the FFVII series, and believe that Sephiroth is just a guy with a sword. So, the idea of him fighting against Superman is absurd.
But anyone that have good knowledge about the Compilation and Sephiroth and that know what he/she is talking about(like me), wouldn't be surprised to see a fight between the two. Sephiroth have Jenova, and the plot-device called "Lifestream" on his side. The difference of power between Super and Seph is not THAT big, like some people believe.
Sephiroth is a god with a body completely formed of J-cells, that have controll over the source of life, magic, and power in general, of the FFVII world(the Lifestream). He is not just a guy with a sword.
 
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No. I didn't know it was Post-Crisis. I really wished which Superman had been stated.

EDIT: Wait a damn minute, you only said that because you were losing! :mad:
 
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The original post was making out that it was DKR Superman when fighting Mecha Batman was the SM firstly, you know the one who was shoot with the Kryponite arrow which you know is only his ultimate weakness so a crippled kitten could beat the crap out of him.

Also he was mentioning when Thor beat him. When this happened I haven't a bloody clue, the only Marvel Vs. DC matchup I know of involving SM was against the Hulk (who SM beat) and not Thor who actually faced Captain Marvel instead in the series.

Looking at the opening post is seems this was more about saying the reasons why Sephiroth would win in a bout as well as a glorified Superman bashing session rather than looking at this retarded notion of the two of them facing off in the first place in any sort of serious way.
 
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You understand that i'm talking about Post Crisis Superman right?
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oh oh i see...," Im a sephiroth fanboy sepiroth can make planets and kill a million trillion gods cuz hes sephiroth,"


ps..SARCASM

Okay whatever change the rules cuz ur LOSING this battle!

I know you just wanted to hate on the Supes and let everyone join in on messing with that one guy on the ff forum that knows for a FACT supes would PWN Sephiroth in A CHUCK NORRIS way

srry

PSS: Sentry pwns!!
 
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Um...any comic version of Superman could probably annihilate any version of Sephiroth before he knew he was dead.

Even Post-Crisis Supes took the force of a Sun Eater exploding (something akin to a "real" supernova I hear) and didn't die.

Seph loses. Accept it.
 
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