N o t . I n t e r e s t e d - A Cloud Strife Club

[Saints&Storms]

Whoa! Don't take it too seriously clubmate. We all love Cloud anyways, what's a little extra love hurt? I honestly didn't think I was bringing in any LTD llamas, so I apologize if that's how you saw it. :\ I figured, shit, more love for Cloud in a Cloud FC what the hell, why not? Sorry if you took it as hostile action. D: Now that I know, I can avoid any repetitions! And any newcomers can take warning, as well.

I'm not taking it too seriously

Well, for one I disagree on your stance and you are saying it like its fact; while I had already clearly said Tifa's love was debatable -- like I said people might have differing opinions.

Bringing up Tifa's love, Aeriths love or Cloud love -- LTD related. Its not how I took it, its how it was.

Other Cloud fans may disagree with that point of view and see it not being addressed and be scared away from the Club because of it. I don't want the Club having less members, I want it having more -- lets just try and take into account people will have different opinions on matters that are left up to opinion -- such as Tifa's "love".

I've always held the Ultimania Guide in suspicion, though. It also says that Tifa got cut across the back in the Nibel reactor... and that Cloud did it. I cannot help but doubt it.

A~nd Aerith had her ribbon as a child in Final Fantasy VII the original but Crisis Core showed Zack giving it to her instead -- does that make Crisis Core less canon? No.

The Ultimanias are Canon -- SE can ret-con whatever they want, sadly its their story.

But even if you choose to disregard the Ultimania's there is still inner Cloud from the Lifestream event whom describes the real Cloud as a guy who held all others in an immature light, believed them to be stupid and got himself into fights a lot no matter who it was with.

But since the Ultimania's are Canon -- and are not only filled with information on the game story but interviews with SE and Final Fantasy Team members as well -- we have to go with them. There is also this to take into context, the origin of saying "Not interested" I mentioned a few posts back.

"The origin of the saying "not interested".

In the scene when the young Cloud explains his mental state by saying "I used to think people around me were foolish", surprisingly, he shows the posture of shrugging his shoulders.
If we consider this, the part of his coolness that keeps him away from the surroundings and the part of his asserting "not interested" all have nothing to do with the influence of Jenova cells, They belong to the real Cloud's personality.
(FFVII Ultimania Omega, p. 180)

And I haven't even brought up Dissidia Cloud, Because he's unaffected by the persona difference whether its Zack he's acting like or not -- basic fact is...Dissidia Cloud is post-Lifestream event Cloud and Dissidia!Cloud is as cold as stone in that game as well. Telling people who ask if they can fight together as a team again that he's "not interested" and many other things like that.


Also its confirmed at the beginning of Final Fantasy VII when Tifa see's Cloud after the AVALANCHE mission, the scene is optional but no matter what you say Tifa confirms that Cloud used to get into fights for no reason.

Tifa "Hmm. You've grown up."
"When you were little you used to get into fights at the drop of a hat."

And then in the Lifestream Event REAL inner Cloud also confirms this. So, again real Cloud has always leaked through the illusion, and the cold distant part of Cloud in FFVII was REAL Cloud.

Now, just cause Cloud is cold and an ass doesn't mean he is emo, because they are two different things.

I was rather surprised that he actually talked quite a bit as well.

Me too, but at least it wasn't OOC all the time -- save for "Looks like its...time to save the world..." bah

I forgot to add that Cloud would LOVE Indiana Jones movies. He'd probably get a hat for his b-day, lol

Wow, I totally agree

 

[Dragon Mage]

Well, for one I disagree on your stance and you are saying it like its fact; while I had already clearly said Tifa's love was debatable -- like I said people might have differing opinions.

Bringing up Tifa's love, Aeriths love or Cloud love -- LTD related. Its not how I took it, its how it was.

Yes I know, but you have to understand -- I really didn't think I was bringing any drama in until you spoke up. So it was really out of the blue for me, I had no idea. I thought it was like a given that Tifa liked Cloud -- it didn't even cross my mind that it was debatable. That was a bad call on my part, but you gotta understand (and I'll say it again just to underscore the meaning) -- it really just never occurred to me that it would be seen as a debatable thing. I was poleaxed when you said it was, lol.

So yeah, it was totally my mistake there. I really wasn't expecting it, so I kinda fell on my proverbial ass. And since I just tossed it off rather lightly for a joke, I never expected it to make such an impact.

But since the Ultimania's are Canon -- and are not only filled with information on the game story but interviews with SE and Final Fantasy Team members as well -- we have to go with them. There also this to take into context, the origin of saying "Not interested" I mentioned a few posts back.

Still, I distrust something that totally contradicts the blatant events of the game. I hope you don't hold it against me, but if they got that one thing so terribly wrong, just imagine what else they screwed up!

I can totally sympathize with Cloud viewing his peers as being foolish idiots throughout his childhood, and not giving a damn about them very much. (As weird as this may sound....) I was practically the same way going through school, so I know where the guy is coming from. It isn't all that unusual of a personality, really.

TBQH, a lot of my classmates still disgust me, but at least they weren't as bad as they were in high school. :S

And since I haven't played Dissidia, I can't really say anything about it. :\

Me too, but at least it wasn't OOC all the time -- save for "Looks like its...time to save the world..." bah

Yeah..... I try to forget that part.

Wow, I totally agree

Cloud's next Halloween costume: Indiana Jones!

 

[The Witch]

I'm just gonna be bold and jump in and say... I completely am going GAGA for the sexy image of Cloud dresses as Indiana Jones.

DM, Dissidia is boring. Skip it my man. I'm still getting back to the other stuff, btw, Waitress Girl. You brought up a lot of good points and I want to discuss 'em

 

[Dragon Mage]

I know, right? Indiana Cloud is smexy. He'd have the hat, the boots, the gun......

The whip.


Okay, I guess I'll be skipping Dissidia then! I've been hearing a lot of mixed reviews about it anyway. I'll just snoop over my friend's shoulder as he plays it.

 

[Saints&Storms]

Yes I know, but you have to understand -- I really didn't think I was bringing any drama in until you spoke up. So it was really out of the blue for me, I had no idea. I thought it was like a given that Tifa liked Cloud -- it didn't even cross my mind that it was debatable. That was a bad call on my part, but you gotta understand -- it really just never occurred to me that it would be seen as a debatable thing. I was poleaxed when you said it was, lol.

Well, okay then. From now on lets just make sure none of us bring up any characters love interest issues -- even if its a given or anything like that. Cause even that doesn't stop people from debating it.

Because people always have different opinions

Still, I distrust something that totally contradicts the blatant events of the game. I hope you don't hold it against me, but if they got that one thing so terribly wrong, just imagine what else they screwed up!

I can totally sympathize with Cloud viewing his peers as being foolish idiots throughout his childhood, and not giving a damn about them very much. (As weird as this may sound....) I was practically the same way going through school, so I know where the guy is coming from. It isn't all that unusual of a personality, really.

TBQH, a lot of my classmates still disgust me, but at least they weren't as bad as they were in high school. :S

And since I haven't played Dissidia, I can't really say anything about it. :\

But Like I said, does that mean Crisis Core isn't canon? Since the ribbon Aerith had since she was a kiD in FFVII was retconed? No, they didn't get it wrong, its their story they retconed it. And like I have said many many time, the ultimania's are also filled with interviews and the like. You can't hold the ultimania's in contempt because you don't like what SE is doing with their own story. The Ultimania's are canon.

Tseng died in FFVII, but Advent Children retconed that, does that make Advent Children any less canon? No. Because its SE's story.

His peers? What? No, no, no, Cloud thought the other KIDS were immature and stupid, not the adults of the town or his peers. Tifa even harps in their defense that they were "Just kids." and Cloud says he knows and that he's the stupid one.

Cloud was speaking about the other kids, and how he believed that they were stupid and immature for laughing at every little thing, not the adult or "peers". He probably just hated them, unlike the other kids who he just thought of as immature and stupid.

(Young Cloud turns away.)
"I used to think... they were all stupid."
(Tifa spins to face him.) Tifa "What?"
(He turns back to face Tifa.)

"You were all childish, laughing at every little stupid thing."
(She turns to look at her former self and friends, then back to Young Cloud.)
Tifa "But we were children, back then."


And on top of that, he got into fights with other kids, for no appearant reason. He was an anti-social kinda kid and it built him into a hard, cold, and distant adult. This is proven by Advent Children Cloud still saying "Not interested" that cool distant part of him was REAL Cloud, its also proven by Tifa in the CoT scene of ACC when she says "Cloud? You never call" and in Advent Children when she says he never answers the phone.

And about Dissidia!Cloud he is described as reserved.

"A reserved young man who brandishes a large sword with ease. He leads his other warriors with his rational decision-making befitting a leader, but internally he has difficulty being confident in his actions." —Dissidia 012 Description (Museum)

"A former SOLDIER 1st Class. A young swordsman with antisocial tendencies and arrogant words to match his famous title, Cloud gives out precise orders based on rational decisions. While at time inspiring ill-will, he most certainly earned the trust of his comrades." ~ Cloud Strife, FFVII, Museum for Dissidia 012

(Yes, I notice it says he's a First Class SOLDIER, but all of his profiles say he was childhood friends with Tifa as well...when he actually wasn't.)


Also there's a scene where everyone BUT Cloud laughs at what a character says about Cloud. And a lot of others too from both Dissidia games. And that Cloud is AFTER FFVII/The Lifestream Event.

Cloud's next Halloween costume: Indiana Jones!

I can't see Cloud doing Halloween...willingly Unless a friend forced him, Yuffie would probably do that xD Since she did get him to take a day off once.

I'm just gonna be bold and jump in and say... I completely am going GAGA for the sexy image of Cloud dresses as Indiana Jones.

DM, Dissidia is boring. Skip it my man. I'm still getting back to the other stuff, btw, Waitress Girl. You brought up a lot of good points and I want to discuss 'em

I agree, Indiana Strife FTW

 

[Dragon Mage]

Well, okay then. From now on lets just make sure none of us bring up any characters love interest issues -- even if its a given or anything like that. Cause even that doesn't stop people from debating it.

Because people always have different opinions

Agreed, 100%!

Tseng died in FFVII, but Advent Children retconed that, does that make Advent Children any less canon? No. Because its SE's story.

He didn't die in the game. He was wounded by Sephiroth, but the last time you see him in the temple he says, "I'm... still alive...." One can assume that he got out of the temple and to help in time or something. We never actually see him die -- kinda like how we assumed Rufus had died, but it turns out he actually managed to get out and survived.

There's a lot of hidden stuff in 7, dead drops and concealed truths that makes the plot so hard to navigate. :\

I'm not holding Ultimania in contempt I'm just holding it in suspicion. In one, I've already utterly dismissed it off hand. The other, I'm willing to hear what it has to say, but I'm very skeptical and wary about it.

His peers? What? No, no, no, Cloud thought the other KIDS were immature and stupid, not the adults of the town or his peers. Tifa even harps in their defense that they were "Just kids." and Cloud says he knows and that he's the stupid one.

Cloud was speaking about the other kids, and how he believed that they were stupid and immature for laughing at every little thing, not the adult or "peers". He probably just hated them, unlike the other kids who he just thought of as immature and stupid.

Um... well, peers also means people of the same age group.

I'm beginning to forget what we were even discussing in the first place, what with all these quotes and character descriptions xD Refresh my memory? I lost track of it somewhere.... Thus, most of the stuff you're saying is kinda flying over my head here.

I can't see Cloud doing Halloween...willingly Unless a friend forced him, Yuffie would probably do that xD Since she did get him to take a day off once.

Ah, very true. But Tifa would definitely be one to hand out candy on Halloween night at the bar. And even she can get tired or need a break or be called upon for some task and Cloud would have to take over. He'd need a costume if he were to do the job properly and in the spirit of things.


Tifa: Cloud come here and pass out candy for a minute. I need to help Yuffie put on her costume makeup.

Cloud: D: I dun't wanna.

Tifa: *gives him The Look*

Cloud: *mumble, mutter* Fine, let me get my hat...

Yuffie *snaps a picture of him on her phone, then sends it to Barret*


(Yuffie is like what? 18? I'd still be trick or treating if I were her. )


Or, he could always dress up as a chocobo. And we all know he'd have no say in wearing that whatsoever. The gang would force him to wear it. (potential c/t) Like so.

 

[The Witch]

just' saying to anyone that minds, it's a Cloud/tifa pic

EDIt:

and honestly, I think Tifa and Barret would be off busy taking Marlene and Denzel trick or treating, so Cloud would have the house all to himself So he wouldn't be forced to hand out candy or wear a costume

I'm sure it's safe to say the only time the man would dress up was when Aerith forced him too (damn you Aerith! Cloud shouldn't dress as woman )

 

[Dragon Mage]

Edited with warning. I just now realized that the picture is not situated at the bar in Edge. I R SITUATION AWARENESS FAIL. HERP DERP DERP.

Good point, Cali. I was kinda visualizing Barret with Marlene and Yuffie going trick-o-treating with Denzel. I was still going trick-o-treatin' when I was 18. If people hand you the candy freely, it isn't stealing! As long as they were willing to give me candy without question, I was willing to accept it without question.

And hush, you. Any excuse to get Cloud in an Indiana Jones costume will be exploited at the earliest opportunity. At least it would if I had it my way.

AND YOU SHUT YOUR DAMN MOUTH! Cloud cross-dressing was a beautiful moment of my childhood and I won't have you casting regrets over it! (Don't listen to her, Aerith, her mind has turned! Dressing Cloud as a woman was brilliant!)

 

[Saints&Storms]

He didn't die in the game. He was wounded by Sephiroth, but the last time you see him in the temple he says, "I'm... still alive...." One can assume that he got out of the temple and to help in time or something. We never actually see him die -- kinda like how we assumed Rufus had died, but it turns out he actually managed to get out and survived.

There's a lot of hidden stuff in 7, dead drops and concealed truths that makes the plot so hard to navigate. :\

I'm not holding Ultimania in contempt I'm just holding it in suspicion. In one, I've already utterly dismissed it off hand. The other, I'm willing to hear what it has to say, but I'm very skeptical and wary about it.

I'm not assuming anything, Elena mistakes that Cloud's the one who "did her boss in" an expression which here usually means "a guy rammed their unusually long sword right through a man and left him for dead" I believe its an old British expression. Unlike Rufus, who was not heard of from again after the incident in Midgar -- Tsengs death was confirmed by second party.

Elena;"It's a SE-CR-ET."
"It really doesn't matter! But you really got guts doin' my boss
in like that!"
Cloud ;"You mean Boss... Tseng? That wasn't us. Sephiroth did it."
Well, you can be suspicious of it all you want, I guess, but its canon as they get, SE officially releases them, there are interviews with the creators inside them and so on. The fact of the matter is -- SE and the Final Fantasy Team can retcon whatever they like however much they'd like to -- and we fans simply must deal.

And besides that, you still aren't addressing the quotes from Dissidia and the Original game itself. Which more than prove my point that Clouds an anti-social ass who is cold and distant.

Um... well, peers also means people of the same age group.

I'm beginning to forget what we were even discussing in the first place, what with all these quotes and character descriptions xD Refresh my memory? I lost track of it somewhere.... Thus, most of the stuff you're saying is kinda flying over my head here.

We are discussing that Clouds and ass, a stone-cold, an antisocial jerk, and lastly not a cuddle muffin, with the exception of being cuddly to a love interest...maybe.

It'd help if you addressed the parts from FFVII and Dissidia as well, since you haven't done that, I mean I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here by letting the Ultimanias be disregarded but you can't disregard Cloud appearances in other games and his very own words of FFVII.

Ah, very true. But Tifa would definitely be one to hand out candy on Halloween night at the bar. And even she can get tired or need a break or be called upon for some task and Cloud would have to take over. He'd need a costume if he were to do the job properly and in the spirit of things.

Meh, Yuffie's more the kinda girl who'd force Cloud to do that stuff. I mean she is the one who got the hard-ass to take a day off. Its kinda canon that she'd be the one to do that 'force Cloud to do this and that' stuff.

Yuffie's not really childish like that, I can't see her being all 'I wanna trick or treat!' She's a pretty mature gal.

Besides, Tifa would totally get annoyed by Halloween goers too, least of all would she be the one able to force Cloud to go Trick or Treating But I can see Tifa poking fun at Cloud if he actually wanted to go, that's for sure -- poor Cloud

I mean she had a hard time dealing with him dressing like a girl; I don't think she'd like seeing him in Halloween attire much.

just' saying to anyone that minds, it's a Cloud/tifa pic

Meh, that's hardly a Cloti fanart -- its a pretty ambiguous imo, though the artist is named "Cloti". But I have to say, I think Tifa would wear a much more revealing Costume, since she likes those kindsa clothes.

I'm sure it's safe to say the only time the man would dress up was when Aerith forced him too (damn you Aerith! Cloud shouldn't dress as woman )

She hardly had to force him JK
He shoulda just busted in there, it woulda gone faster and avoided an embarrassing dress up game, geez, for once Cloud didn't do one of his arrogant epic entrances, and took his sweet time

Edited with warning. I just now realized that the picture is not situated at the bar in Edge. I R SITUATION AWARENESS FAIL. HERP DERP DERP.

Meh, no worries, its hardly a CloTi art.

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So, whats everyone's favorite Cloud outfit?

I have to say mine is totally his KHI outfit, he looks so kick-ass. Some of the most awesome Cloud pics come from the KH manga, because he looks so sexy in those clothes, also hello! Dissidia KHI Cloud so totally hot! Not enough fanart of Cloud those clothes

 

[Dragon Mage]

I'm not assuming anything, Elena mistakes that Cloud's the one who "did her boss in" an expression which here usually means "a guy rammed their unusually long sword right through a man and left him for dead" I believe its an old British expression. Unlike Rufus, who was not heard of from again after the incident in Midgar -- Tsengs death was confirmed by second party.

Did she say that? My goodness I forgot all about that. Derp derp. I always thought that Elena was saying something like Tseng getting his ass beat so bad he couldn't return to duty, not that he was killed. The game carries such a silly tone about it sometimes, it makes it hard to take an implied line to such dire interpretations, I guess. Like you never get to actually see anyone DIE (well, with one exception) they always disappear in some bubbly light or something. It's that kind of PG-13 style that made me think that Tseng was simply out of commission, not actually killed.

We are discussing that Clouds and ass, a stone-cold, an antisocial jerk, and lastly not a cuddle muffin, with the exception of being cuddly to a love interest...maybe.

Well, of course he's a hardass, but he's a gooey cuddlemuffin on the inside. It shows up from time to time. Thank you for reminding me, I totally got lost there for a while.

And besides that, you still aren't addressing the quotes from Dissidia and the Original game itself. Which more than prove my point that Clouds an anti-social ass who is cold and distant.

It'd help if you addressed the parts from FFVII and Dissidia as well, since you haven't done that, I mean I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here by letting the Ultimanias be disregarded but you can't disregard Cloud appearances in other games and his very own words of FFVII.

Well, to be quite honest, I didn't want to start a brawl or anything. I'm actually terrified of stirring a heated debate in a fanclub that may bring about it's downfall and I just simply want to appreciate the character with others of the same mind, even if our interpretations are much different. That is why I've been so subtly (lol) evading your examples and quotes. But seeing as this is proving more discourteous than prudent, I will respond to you in full to the best of my ability.

I don't have a lot of love for characters that are cold, arrogant sonsofbitches, but I do like characters that strut like a rooster outwardly while being very confused and awkward internally. That speaks of a true character and makes me interested to know more about them. Why do they act one way when they feel another? Why is maintaining a facade so important? Etc., etc.,~

Also, due to my unfamiliarity with Dissidia, and since I like to stick with what I know, I cannot really argue or debate those quotes since:

1) I do not know any context.
2) Having not played the game(s) I cannot provide any contrasting examples to support my position.
3) I can't provide any contrasting examples that I know of that could not be construed as LTD drama.

So, that is why I'm trying to stick as closely as possible to the original game and have been avoiding responding to your quotes as I have been. You have an unfair advantage over me, as it were, in regards to the examples and quotes from Dissidia. Since you are familiar with the games you can quickly refute anything I might bring to bear, whereas I must simply rely upon your testimony and the unreliable guides on Gamefaqs to bolster my own position.

Furthermore (despite my misgivings, I will oblige you in a response as you requested) I would point out that -- in regards to the in-game descriptions of Cloud that you have provided -- there is a radical difference between "anti-social" and "reserved". No one can be both at the same time. I think the first description (from Dissidia) describes Cloud much better than the second -- Cloud is a weak character, he admits as much himself in the original game. His own weakness has defined him and yet has also allowed him to create friendships that ultimately made him much stronger.

We have seen plenty of evidence that Cloud is a very capable leader in combat. He is definitely a hardass in all regards except when the situation becomes personal. When something involves his own history, desires, or personal conflicts, we see a more vulnerable side of Cloud that is always quickly suppressed or hidden -- and that speaks of a more realistic character to me. Who wouldn't want to hide their personal turmoil which is so clearly a sensitive subject? It adds depth that would otherwise be missing from a cardboard cutout of "Cloud is a hardass misanthrope."

If I wanted a hardass misanthrope, I'd be cavorting about fanclubs for Leon Kennedy from Resident Evil. But I'm not. I'm here in this club for Cloud because his character offers true depth and realistic conflicts. Cloud has a persona that he projects -- namely, the image of him being a cold hardass -- which isn't bone-deep. Everyone projects an image they want to be perceived as to the world: Even Shakespeare said it -- that all the world's a stage.

So while I agree that Cloud is definitely a hardass and acts like one quite a bit of the time, there is also that part of his character which we don't get to see very often and I find much more fascinating. Cloud is singularly unique in the fact that he's a remarkable anti-hero; not because he acts immorally, but because he doesn't have any of the stereotypical traits that traditionally define a "hero". He is weak; he is unable to protect those most important to him; he failed to accomplish his childhood dream; he lived an illusion for five years because he was so ashamed of himself -- find me another anti-hero like this and I'll pay you in gold. And the truly remarkable thing is, that despite all these drawbacks, Cloud still comes out as a hero, against all odds. That is what I love about this character and the story of FF7.

It isn't the hardass shell that I find so endearing and enjoyable -- it is the Cloud that felt he wasn't worthy enough to protect even himself that interests me. Because when you get right down to it, I've only ever see one other case in which a weak and meek character triumphed over insurmountable evil (it isn't FF related). And that makes Cloud a very special character in my book. I like him for his downfalls, not for his attitude.

I realize this is probably not what you wanted or expected from me, but seeing as I cannot provide a fraction of the quotes and examples that you can -- since you can draw from several games whereas I have only the one -- I can only offer the above defense for how I prefer to view Cloud and how I think his nature truly stands. He is a conflicted character, with equal measure of deadly badass and weak, unconfident, untrained grunt. I do not choose which side to turn a blind eye too -- I like both equally.

To conclude, I must disagree with your statement that Cloud is irrevocably a cold and distant and antisocial hardass. Telling Wedge to "Blow off" is a player's choice, not Cloud's. It also is very suspect that a character with apparently so little use for others -- as a hardass antisocial character would be and one that you claim he is -- would find such strength and need for several friendships. It is because of his friends that he managed to pull through such dire and multiple crises; not because he turned away such relationships, but because he embraced them and drew strength from them. What makes Cloud so strong is the fact that he fights for what he loves, not that he fights for simple-minded hatred or revenge.

All this has led me to believe that while Cloud may be a hardass and cool to others at times, he is also a very humane and concerned person that will do anything to protect what he holds dear -- even if it takes his friends giving him a swift kick in the ass to get moving (AC). But because he is also a reserved and private character, we don't get to see that side of him often. Which makes the times we do see that side of him even more powerful. It is an aspect of his character which greatly defines his motivations and should not be lightly pushed aside or underestimated.

Please, do not be upset with me for this explanation or my stance. I fear this will turn into an unwanted and heated argument which I truly do not want to see come about, since I've been very much enjoying myself in this club. This is simply how I see Cloud and why I like him so -- I hope this will give you a clear idea of why and how I came to the idea that Cloud is a (lol) "gooey cuddlmuffin with a crunchy hardass crust." (Pardon my lack for a better analogy!) And I sincerely hope that this will not turn into a vehement argument because of what I've said here.

Meh, no worries, its hardly a CloTi art.

*phew* I'm glad!

So, whats everyone's favorite Cloud outfit?

Advent Children outfit, hands down. He looks edible.

 

[Saints&Storms]

@Dragon Mage, Don't be silly, its a Cloud fanclub thats what its for; Cloud related debates, discussions, talks, topics and the like avoiding of-course any anti-Cloud discussions or Love Triangle Debate related discussion, which has seemed more than impossible to have kept done or rather undone. I don't think a debate is a brawl, just a debate and its not even a debate just a discussion really, its all simple good clean fun. But to be fair I haven't interpreted anything; I have posted and link actual Dissidia profile descriptions, interviews and excerpts from the Ultimanias and well as profile descriptions to boot -- but they weren't good enough for you. Even though they are indeed Canon, written by Square Enix, produced by Square Enix, and Released by Square Enix. Yet a retcon has you debating their relevancy. Even though I have more than shown several retcons and story edits to you such as Tsengs Death and many, many, many things in Crisis Core (Aerith's Ribbon, how Aerith and Zack meet each-other, the fact that there was no hole in the Church roof in FFVII when Cloud fell through it etc. etc.)

But as we can see Tseng did die, Aerith had her ribbon before she met Zack, originally met Zack whilst selling flowers, and there was no hole in the roof before Cloud made one. All these things things are retcons by SE, from SE for the sole purpose of milking Final Fantasy VIIs compliation.

So let me get on the the rest of your post here then; anyway I just wanted to make clear that yes; Tseng was dead, and yes; there are more than one retcons in the games and such -- none of them make the games less canon, but one could argue that since these games, manuals and Ultinamias supersede the older information and that they are indeed more canon and accurate, since they are more recent.

Facade? No, no, no clubmate -- Nomura himself said that the part of Cloud that is cool, cold and distant and that says "not interested" is the real Cloud; while yes Cloud is simplistic and awkward on the inside as well -- we know this as Canon thanks to Maiden of the Planet and because of Aeriths words -- I however don't see how both of these very Canon descriptions of Cloud contradict one another, because quite honestly they do not whatsoever. I'm sorry your question doesn't answer mine; why if you think Cloud is one way are the Final Fantasy team, SQUARE ENIX, Nojima and Nomura saying he IS another way? Because with all due respect; I take those guys - manufacturing and making - the game's words much more into count than a fans words.

You don't have to play Dissidia to see that the description that comes within the game itself that is set for Cloud says he is "Reserved", "Antisocial" and "Arrogant" I even provided them for you -- since I have played both Dissidia's. And again the game takes place with a Cloud set after Final Fantasy VII. Liek I said you don't have to play Dissidia to see and read what I am posting here, unless you are questioning their reliability and my honesty; because I could probably get like screencaps or something if need be. But like I said; you don't rely on the Ultimania's because of inconsistency or retcons -- but I have said several times now does that make Crisis Core just as "suspicious" to you? Or any less Canon? Or Advent Children since ELena confirmed that Tseng had been "done in"? No, of-course not because those newer and more recent additions to the Compilation supercede older. I mean yeah it sucks, I agree but that's really SQUARE ENIX's decision and choice; You and I have no say on the matter -- sadly.

Well, I say "reserved" and "anti-social" go hand in hand; and its pretty obvious that Square ENix agrees, it doesn't really matter if you or I disagree with them because its their game and we play with their rules; the tables been set by SQUARE ENIX and they say he's both "Antisocial" and "Reserved" and has a coolness that keeps him away from the surroundings. So since there are two of them and both are describing Cloud I think its pretty obvious both are who Cloud is as a Character. I don't see how Cloud accepting his weakness means he can't be a jackass, or cold and distant, and Antisocial? They really don't contradict either one of his other descriptions. Cloud is and can be all; reserved, antisocial, cold, distant, and accepting of his weakness and vulnerability, with out and contradictions or misconceptions. Whether you or I -- and I don't -- disagree it doesn't matter because SQUARE ENIX says this is Cloud. I'm sorry your opinion of Cloud was different but this is who Cloud is.

Everyone can be and does get vulnerable, and I never said they couldn't; again this doesn't prove that Cloud isn't antisocial or disprove the very words of the creators of Final Fantasy or Nomura himself; the guy who created Cloud. I disagree, this character you have built is a complete opposite of Cloud and I think Cloud is a realistic character, because honestly I am just like him, and I am as real as they get. So, I don't know where this has come from but Cloud can be everything SQUARE ENIX and Nomura/Nojima say he is without debate or mistakes or contradictory conflict.

Well, Dragon Mage, thats all well and good but; thats all YOUR opinion, what you wanted, what you see, and "if you wanted it" doesn't really change the fact that SE and Nomura completely disagree with you, and its what they say that matter. I don't the that what Shakespeare said has if any at all impact on a fictional character from a video game. Least of all it likely not what SE and Nomura had in mind while creating Cloud. (But Dismantled did say Cloud was a good actor)

Again, that's all well and good DM but, there's nothing to your words but opinion and personal view; I am only interested in the official and fact proven descriptions of Cloud. Because quite bluntly; they are the people who control what goes on in FFVII and what goes on with and inside of Cloud mind and Character. Cloud doesn't want to be a hero, so the words Anti-Hero sound stereotypical in and of themselves, I never said Cloud didn't accept his inner weakness and physical; all I said is he's a cold, distant, antisocial ass, and that's because SQUARE ENIX said it first. No databook has ever said he wasn't the hero, because he is, and original still; they only say what his attribute and persona consist of.

I don't know why you are saying other true things about Cloud, because Cloud is accepting of his weakness, blames himself for most everything -- all these things that have made him who he is. The lack of Childhood friends has made him see others as immature and stupid, failure and weakness have made him distant and cold, lack of kindness shown to him has made him antisocial and reserved This is who Cloud Strife is.

I too like Cloud for his downfalls, and underdog status, but all this doesn't change his personality, and I accept and enjoy his personality too because while he is Cold and Distant, Anti-Social and Reserved -- he'd still help a person in need, dress up like a woman, and remain the "spiky-headed jerk" that everyone knows him as. Because even inwardly the game characters know Cloud as a jerk, as well as the creators. Cloud has downfalls but he's also cocky and cold. This is why we all like him; Tifa has called him "cocky", Yuffie and Tifa have called him a "spiky headed jerk" and Aerith called him "simplistic and awkward" all these things make up who Cloud is; nothing more, nothing less.

But Dragon Mage; you are turning a blind eye to many things; the Ultimanias, Dissidia, Kingdom Hearts, FFVII & the Lifestream Event, and SQUARE ENIX itself. There are many resources from which to withdraw all of the characteristics that make Cloud, Cloud. And while I appreciate you taking you time to write such a long and opinionated post; nothing of it answers or adresses what I posted and link in my other posts, and still only adressed you opinion and thoughts on Cloud; while the creators themselves have told us who Cloud is and what kind of character; just incase some people missed it throughout the Compilation -- I however know Cloud as a "Cocky" and "Spikey-headed Jerk", from our original story of Final Fantasy VII.

I agree being ale to tell Wedge to BLow off is optional; but so are many other scenes that people use and facts and proof, but Cloud telling wedge he doesn't care what his name or his friends names are is not optional however, and neither is him taking money from a little girls school funds or the Lifestream Event, and neither are the creators statements or game profiles. What Cloud is and what he needs don't contradict each other either; Cloud does need friends but that fact doesn't affect his personality and characteristics at all. Yes, it was after much struggle and hardship that Cloud finally realized he wasn't alone and that he needed to lean on friends and it was so hard and filled with struggle because he's reserved and antisocial.

I never said Cloud was hateful or vengeful. I said and the SE and FF team simply said he's an antisocial, distant, cold, awkward, simplistic and Cocky -- but never said he was hateful or vengeful. You are taking the facts that Cloud is cold, distant, and antisocial and making it analogous with things that were never mentioned and that they are not naturally assumed to be related to.

I never said Cloud doesn't need his friends, nor that he doesn't end up accepting this fact, but it took him awhile because he reserved, introverted, and cold/distant and most importantly antisocial. So, yes, I completely agree Cloud needs his friends -- but he's kinda like Gregory House, antisocial, cold and distant but still in need of his pals and friends.

Exactly why he needed a kick, because otherwise a Character like himself wouldn't bother, even if he knew it was the right or wrong thing to do; because like when Cloud does CPR on Precilla; he knew it was right but had to be pushed to do it. Just cause he's cold and distant doesn't mean he's evil or maniacal. Not in the slightest. Agian you personally think these characteristics (Cold, distant, antisocial, and a spiky-headed jerk) are synonymous with "Evil" or "heartless" when they are not. You can believe Cloud to be however you want but the fact and official statements on Cloud have been stated, its up to you to accept it or not; but I don't think its right to tell me Cloud is how you say when he's not and the facts and creators disagree.

Debates are all good and fun, it won't become heated because you have a different opinion, surely not I just want everyone to know what Cloud really all about; and that is Anti-social, cold, distant yet simplistic, awkward and cocky -- but however not in anyway evil or vengeful. Its just who he is. However I don't want things to get heated either; I can see you want to keep you opinion on Cloud so lets just let sleeping dogs lie and leave it here.

But I will however endorse the official statements to the fullest, so that the view on Cloud that's official and fact can be heard and everyone can know of it.

DISSIDIA
"A reserved young man who brandishes a large sword with ease. He leads his other warriors with his rational decision-making befitting a leader, but internally he has difficulty being confident in his actions." —Dissidia 012 Description (Museum)

"A former SOLDIER 1st Class. A young swordsman with antisocial tendencies and arrogant words to match his famous title, Cloud gives out precise orders based on rational decisions. While at time inspiring ill-will, he most certainly earned the trust of his comrades." ~ Cloud Strife, FFVII, Museum for Dissidia 012


Final Fantasy VII
(Young Cloud turns away.)
"I used to think... they were all stupid."
(Tifa spins to face him.) Tifa "What?"
(He turns back to face Tifa.)

"You were all childish, laughing at every little stupid thing."
(She turns to look at her former self and friends, then back to Young Cloud.)
Tifa "But we were children, back then."

ULTIMANIA OMEGA
"The origin of the saying "not interested".

In the scene when the young Cloud explains his mental state by saying "I used to think people around me were foolish", surprisingly, he shows the posture of shrugging his shoulders.
If we consider this, the part of his coolness that keeps him away from the surroundings and the part of his asserting "not interested" all have nothing to do with the influence of Jenova cells, They belong to the real Cloud's personality.
(FFVII Ultimania Omega, p. 180)

FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania
Despite his cold behavior in several scenes, Cloud is essentially popular with members of the opposite sex. Cloud's character profile

But to be fair you did say it was your opinion and view on Cloud and I can't argue or make you think another way, and I wouldn't want to either; that's just wrong; but I guess we can just move on to more fun subjects or matters; since I would also hate to see this club ruined by getting too serious

Advent Children outfit, hands down. He looks edible.

Well, I really like that one too, but KHI wins for me hands down, its so cute that Cloud would imitate Vincents out-fit, kinda give me the idea that he looked up to Vincent a little or admired him somewhat

So~ lets start more fun topics and stuff; since I forced Cali to do the last one I'll do another I guess How about...

Whats everyone's favorite scene of Clouds from each entry to the Compilation?(Crisis Core, FFVII, DoC, AC, ACC, KH I & II, and Tactics etc. etc.)​

 

[Dragon Mage]

Don't be silly, its a Cloud fanclub thats what its for; Cloud related debates, discussions, talks, topics and the like avoiding of-course any anti-Cloud discussions or Love Triangle Debate related discussion, which has seemed more than impossible to have kept done or rather undone. I don't think a debate is a brawl, just a debate and its not even a debate just a discussion really, its all simple good clean fun.

*phew* I'm glad.

But to be fair I haven't interpreted anything; I have posted and link actual Dissidia profile descriptions, interviews and excerpts from the Ultimanias and well as profile descriptions to boot -- but they weren't good enough for you. Even though they are indeed Canon, written by Square Enix, produced by Square Enix, and Released by Square Enix. Yet a retcon has you debating their relevancy. Even though I have more than shown several retcons and story edits to you such as Tsengs Death and many, many, many things in Crisis Core (Aerith's Ribbon, how Aerith and Zack meet each-other, the fact that there was no hole in the Church roof in FFVII when Cloud fell through it etc. etc.)

I don't doubt your testimony, I simply doubt my own understanding of it. You have a wide range of context to operate in -- I have only the (piecey) script and your quotes. I did address the profile descriptions, but we still differ on Cloud's behavior. So there must be some kind of room for interpretation, otherwise we would not be disagreeing.

why if you think Cloud is one way are the Final Fantasy team, SQUARE ENIX, Nojima and Nomura saying he IS another way? Because with all due respect; I take those guys - manufacturing and making - the game's words much more into count than a fans words.

I don't see where me and the FF7 team are disagreeing, however. I know he's a reserved person, I know he's distant and introverted, but I don't see them saying he's an absolute asshole either. "Not Interested" may fully describe Cloud in his attitude, but that doesn't sum up his entire personality either.

SE may choose to emphasize his badass attitude to milk the compilation, but I like to appreciate the underplayed, endearing side just as much. The evidence is all there for us to see, which side you choose to focus on entirely depends upon the individual. Cloud is a Jerkass with a heart of gold -- and that's the truth of it.

And he does have a facade -- everyone does, and I think Cloud was trying more than most. Can I blame him for being "not interested" in a seemingly cold way considering all the shit he's been through?

You don't have to play Dissidia to see that the description that comes within the game itself that is set for Cloud says he is "Reserved", "Antisocial" and "Arrogant" I even provided them for you -- since I have played both Dissidia's. And again the game takes place with a Cloud set after Final Fantasy VII. Liek I said you don't have to play Dissidia to see and read what I am posting here, unless you are questioning their reliability and my honesty; because I could probably get like screencaps or something if need be. But like I said; you don't rely on the Ultimania's because of inconsistency or retcons -- but I have said several times now does that make Crisis Core just as "suspicious" to you? Or any less Canon? Or Advent Children since ELena confirmed that Tseng had been "done in"? No, of-course not because those newer and more recent additions to the Compilation supercede older. I mean yeah it sucks, I agree but that's really SQUARE ENIX's decision and choice; You and I have no say on the matter -- sadly.

See this is exactly what I wanted to avoid. I like this character in my own way. You have conceded that there is more to Cloud than being a cold hardass. I like Cloud in his his full scope, appreciating both sides that contrast but do not undermine each other. What are you trying to prove? That the reasons I like this character are all wrong and that I don't actually like the real Cloud? Because that's all I'm seeing here. I don't understand what is to be gained from this. D:

As I said earlier, I know that Crisis Core has holes in it, but I think they did it on purpose for when they finally remake the original, to add depth and consistency to the major story arc of all the games. I know that -- with all long-running things -- there are some things that do not compute. But that's to be expected when Part A was made in 1997, and Part B was made in 2008. I trust that SE will patch up all holes in the remake.

And like I said, I only doubt my own ability to fully understand without a full grasp of the situation and context of what goes on in Dissidia.

Well, I say "reserved" and "anti-social" go hand in hand; and its pretty obvious that Square ENix agrees, it doesn't really matter if you or I disagree with them because its their game and we play with their rules; the tables been set by SQUARE ENIX and they say he's both "Antisocial" and "Reserved" and has a coolness that keeps him away from the surroundings. So since there are two of them and both are describing Cloud I think its pretty obvious both are who Cloud is as a Character. I don't see how Cloud accepting his weakness means he can't be a jackass, or cold and distant, and Antisocial? They really don't contradict either one of his other descriptions. Cloud is and can be all; reserved, antisocial, cold, distant, and accepting of his weakness and vulnerability, with out and contradictions or misconceptions. Whether you or I -- and I don't -- disagree it doesn't matter because SQUARE ENIX says this is Cloud. I'm sorry your opinion of Cloud was different but this is who Cloud is.

Reserved and anti-social are incredibly different. One is just being kept to oneself. The other actively shuns companionship of anyone else.

I never said that Cloud accepting his weakness meant that he also couldn't be a jackass. He's an independent person, always trying to do things on his own -- coming off as cool and non-talkative is to be expected. But that's fine, that is what I like about him, but that isn't ALL I like about him. What I like about him most is his very character, the fact that though he is weak, he still manages to win. As I said, I've only seen one other character do that, and Cloud is the only one that is like that in any video game I know of.

If there is nothing more to Cloud than being a cold, distant, anti-social asshole, then I guess I'm in the wrong club.

Everyone can be and does get vulnerable, and I never said they couldn't; again this doesn't prove that Cloud isn't antisocial or disprove the very words of the creators of Final Fantasy or Nomura himself; the guy who created Cloud. I disagree, this character you have built is a complete opposite of Cloud and I think Cloud is a realistic character, because honestly I am just like him, and I am as real as they get. So, I don't know where this has come from but Cloud can be everything SQUARE ENIX and Nomura/Nojima say he is without debate or mistakes or contradictory conflict.

Complete opposite? Really? So you mean that there truly is nothing more to Cloud than being a jackass? He is incapable of being sympathetic, he is incapable of wanting to cheer up his friends, he is incapable of doing something good just for the good of it, and he is incapable of caring about anyone aside from a grudging acknowledgment that he owes those WE call his "friends"?

Sorry, but I don't agree. And about a half-million other fans don't agree. Considering on how consistent and analytical TVTropes folks are (and I know quite a few of them in RL) they couldn't all be wrong. Not that many. Either a LOT of people are wrong, or you're image of him is too narrow.

And if I'm just a hallucinating fangirl, then what would you have me do? Cling to YOUR vision of Cloud because instead? Cast away any redeeming qualities of this character so he can be the proven cold asshole instead? I've never denied that he is a reserved person, that he is cool toward others -- I just disagree that he's an asshole, nothing more. I don't see Cloud being mean on purpose for no reason.

What gives you the right to say that the things I appreciate about a character are any less valid than your own? I'm looking at the big picture here. I'm appreciating the outside-the-box fact that he's an anti-hero of weakness not an anti-hero of immorality. Why are you attacking the subtleties that I enjoy about this character? What is to be gained? There is a saying: A man convinced against his will is of his own opinion still.

Well, Dragon Mage, thats all well and good but; thats all YOUR opinion, what you wanted, what you see, and "if you wanted it" doesn't really change the fact that SE and Nomura completely disagree with you, and its what they say that matter. I don't the that what Shakespeare said has if any at all impact on a fictional character from a video game. Least of all it likely not what SE and Nomura had in mind while creating Cloud. (But Dismantled did say Cloud was a good actor)

Nothing here is MY opinion and MY construction -- it is just as valid as yours is. When have I ever denied that Cloud is a hardass? When have I ever denied that he's an introvert? Nowhere. I get that about his character and it's nice and all, but I know that isn't the end all and be all of the character.

Cloud reminds me a great deal of Haplo (and trust me, there is a LOT more material to get into Haplo's head than there is for Cloud). They are both tough, cold, and badass, but they each have their soft spot which doesn't show very much, especially not if they can help it. It would be odd to say I like a character that is little more than a anti-social killing machine. Which seems to be EXACTLY what you are saying Cloud is. And I don't believe that's true.

Again, that's all well and good DM but, there's nothing to your words but opinion and personal view; I am only interested in the official and fact proven descriptions of Cloud. Because quite bluntly; they are the people who control what goes on in FFVII and what goes on with and inside of Cloud mind and Character. Cloud doesn't want to be a hero, so the words Anti-Hero sound stereotypical in and of themselves, I never said Cloud didn't accept his inner weakness and physical; all I said is he's a cold, distant, antisocial ass, and that's because SQUARE ENIX said it first. No databook has ever said he wasn't the hero, because he is, and original still; they only say what his attribute and persona consist of.

I'm getting a headache from all this dark text. >.<

See, there is very little that can be more insulting and dismissive and demeaning than saying, "You're just opinionated and I have facts, therefore I'm going to ignore everything you say."

This is why I wanted to avoid this conversation, because I knew this would inevitably happen. I don't see the point of grinding another person's likes and dislikes in the mud, either.

Do you know what an anti-hero is? An anti-hero is a character that acts like anything but what the stereotypical image of a hero is. Cloud does not fit that image. He is weak. He has no special powers. He has no remarkable lineage. He has no ancient weapon. He is unsure and not confident of himself. He gets motion sickness!

He is the antithesis of what a hero is typically believed should be. Commonly, the anti-hero is "anti" because they do bad things. They enjoy killing, they swear, they sacrifice innocents. Cloud doesn't do that, but he is still an anti-hero because of his weakness. I've rarely seen an anti-hero that is such because of being weak not because of being evil. Cloud is a Classic Anti-hero. Text book case, really.

You're basically saying that Cloud is an evil sonofabitch and we're just lucky that his self-serving goals happened to include destroying a madman that wanted to kill the world. Other than that, he has no use for the world, no use for humanity, and no use for anyone in general.

Are you really going to say that and then say that he wasn't motivated to try and meet Aerith at the Promised Land because he didn't care? That... that just doesn't compute with me.

I don't know why you are saying other true things about Cloud, because Cloud is accepting of his weakness, blames himself for most everything -- all these things that have made him who he is. The lack of Childhood friends has made him see others as immature and stupid, failure and weakness have made him distant and cold, lack of kindness shown to him has made him antisocial and reserved This is who Cloud Strife is.

No, you're stretching that out of proportion. When he was young, he saw his peers as being immature and stupid. But when he is older, he concedes that it was HIM that was being stupid. Failure and weakness has given him self-hate and self-doubt. Why would he EVER blame the world for his own weakness when in CC he mutters that he didn't keep his promise? That HE didn't keep HIS promise? If he blamed the world or fate or whatever, wouldn't he be blaming something else, anything else aside from himself?

I doubt Cloud ever lacked kindness in his childhood. He may not have been popular, but that does not equal having a hard, cruel life.

I too like Cloud for his downfalls, and underdog status, but all this doesn't change his personality, and I accept and enjoy his personality too because while he is Cold and Distant, Anti-Social and Reserved -- he'd still help a person in need, dress up like a woman, and remain the "spiky-headed jerk" that everyone knows him as. Because even inwardly the game characters know Cloud as a jerk, as well as the creators. Cloud has downfalls but he's also cocky and cold. This is why we all like him; Tifa has called him "cocky", Yuffie and Tifa have called him a "spiky headed jerk" and Aerith called him "simplistic and awkward" all these things make up who Cloud is; nothing more, nothing less.

Yes, agreed, but I still don't agree with the image you are painting of Cloud here. I don't see him as an uncaring asshole. I just don't. His motivations are more than simplistic revenge.

And by the way, Tifa called him a jerk because he scared her badly and she was deeply worried, so she acted all awkward and firm to cover up her feelings.

Jerk may not be the ideal word I'd choose to describe Cloud, but it will do. He is a jerk, he's very pragmatic, and he doesn't fiddle around and beat around the bush. That can smack of being a jerk. I love it when he cuts the crap and beats the shit out of the Big Bad. I never denied that he was this way. He's a Jerkass With A Heart Of Gold. And he has a JerkAss Facade. When was that ever questioned? I mean, if the entire collective and analytical minds of TVTropes says as much, consistently, wherever Cloud is concerned, how can a half-million fans be wrong as you say they are?

I think you should try and reevaluate Cloud. Your image of him is a bit too..... stiff. A lot of people seem to be at odds with such a strict and unflinching image of him, so it can't just be me.

But Dragon Mage; you are turning a blind eye to many things; the Ultimanias, Dissidia, Kingdom Hearts, FFVII & the Lifestream Event, and SQUARE ENIX itself. There are many resources from which to withdraw all of the characteristics that make Cloud, Cloud. And while I appreciate you taking you time to write such a long and opinionated post; nothing of it answers or adresses what I posted and link in my other posts, and still only adressed you opinion and thoughts on Cloud; while the creators themselves have told us who Cloud is and what kind of character; just incase some people missed it throughout the Compilation -- I however know Cloud as a "Cocky" and "Spikey-headed Jerk", from our original story of Final Fantasy VII.

No, I'm taking this all into account. Since when has Nomura or SE officially said that Cloud is a selfish bastard that only cares about himself? I'm not turning Cloud into some dewy-eyed, helpless bishi here. Why do you seem to think I'm trying to deny any and all negative aspects of Cloud?

I mean, let me make it absolutely clear. I love Jerkass Characters. They are very dear to me. My own main character is an anti-hero and jerkass herself. I don't love Devil May Cry because Dante is a gooey character that likes to discuss his feelings. If I did like that crap, I'd be on the Twilight (ack! ick!) fanclub instead.

I agree being ale to tell Wedge to BLow off is optional; but so are many other scenes that people use and facts and proof, but Cloud telling wedge he doesn't care what his name or his friends names are is not optional however, and neither is him taking money from a little girls school funds or the Lifestream Event, and neither are the creators statements or game profiles. What Cloud is and what he needs don't contradict each other either; Cloud does need friends but that fact doesn't affect his personality and characteristics at all. Yes, it was after much struggle and hardship that Cloud finally realized he wasn't alone and that he needed to lean on friends and it was so hard and filled with struggle because he's reserved and antisocial.

Yes, and? Where is the disagreement here? I like the moral of the story, and how that plays out in the characters; especially Cloud. Did I not make this clear already? Cloud needs his friends and I think you underestimate how much of an impact they are to his character. Yes, after he realizes he doesn't have to go it alone, he changes, but that also means that his friends mean a great deal to him. Look at how much the impact of losing two friends did to him. The reactions speak for themselves.

I never said Cloud was hateful or vengeful. I said and the SE and FF team simply said he's an antisocial, distant, cold, awkward, simplistic and Cocky -- but never said he was hateful or vengeful. You are taking the facts that Cloud is cold, distant, and antisocial and making it analogous with things that were never mentioned and that they are not naturally assumed to be related to.

In the game, Cloud says that he's going after Sephiroth for revenge. By the end of the game, however, we know his motivation isn't all that simple anymore.

I never said Cloud doesn't need his friends, nor that he doesn't end up accepting this fact, but it took him awhile because he reserved, introverted, and cold/distant and most importantly antisocial. So, yes, I completely agree Cloud needs his friends -- but he's kinda like Gregory House, antisocial, cold and distant but still in need of his pals and friends.

You have to admit that Cloud treats his friends much better than House does, though.

Exactly why he needed a kick, because otherwise a Character like himself wouldn't bother, even if he knew it was the right or wrong thing to do; because like when Cloud does CPR on Precilla; he knew it was right but had to be pushed to do it. Just cause he's cold and distant doesn't mean he's evil or maniacal. Not in the slightest. Agian you personally think these characteristics (Cold, distant, antisocial, and a spiky-headed jerk) are synonymous with "Evil" or "heartless" when they are not. You can believe Cloud to be however you want but the fact and official statements on Cloud have been stated, its up to you to accept it or not; but I don't think its right to tell me Cloud is how you say when he's not and the facts and creators disagree.

I still don't see how I'm apparently radically differing from what the creators are saying. When you step back and take a look at it, Cloud is a lot like Dante -- just without the high level of snark and wisecracks; and, to be sure, Cloud is a lot more preoccupied. I like both characters for much the same reasons. Why would I ever deny the traits that define them?

However I don't want things to get heated either; I can see you want to keep you opinion on Cloud so lets just let sleeping dogs lie and leave it here.

THAT IS WHAT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND! We seem to be largely miscommunicating here. You seem to think I view Cloud as a squeezable plushy (not that I would object to such a thing, mind you!) and I keep hearing the words "hardass" and "asshole" used to describe Cloud, which I don't think fully apply to him. He CAN BE a hardass, but that isn't all he is. There's more there than just a badass persona. I am having trouble understanding why this seems to be so incompatible with whatever it is the creators say.


Let's just not come back to this ever again. Let's not mass-quote each other because this is not going to end up well if it keeps up. We'll just both be righteous and pissed off LOL. Let's make a compromise and say we'll each write a fanfic to vent steam about it. Sound kosher?

Whats everyone's favorite scene of Clouds from each entry to the Compilation?(Crisis Core, FFVII, DoC, AC, ACC, KH I & II, and Tactics etc. etc.)

In the original game.... Probably both times he's dealing with Don Corneo. Like I said, that one line will forever be close to my heart.

Don: My story is very sad you know.... You don't know how much I've suffered...

*sad harp music*

Cloud: Look, I don't really care. Just give us back Yuffie.

Me:

In AC.... probably the Bahamut fight and the moment when he is right on top of Sephiroth when Sephiroth appears and is like "AH FUCKS." Just an awesome shot right there.

Since I've only played KH1, I can only say I don't like ANY of his appearances there. Fucker kept killing me, the sadistic creep. What kind of man tries to kill an 11-year-old anyway!?

I thought he had only the one 2-second shot in DoC?

 

[The Witch]

You have to admit that Cloud treats his friends much better than House does, though.

I can't read all that yet T_T but House treats Wilson like how Cloud treats his friend. so they're the same.

*is confused why we're discussing House *

Don: My story is very sad you know.... You don't know how much I've suffered...

*sad harp music*

Cloud: Look, I don't really care. Just give us back Yuffie.

that's how i felt when i saw that scene

 

[Dragon Mage]

I can't read all that yet T_T but House treats Wilson like how Cloud treats his friend. so they're the same.

He does not! House actively tries to make life a living hell for his friends. Cloud does no such thing.

The furthest Cloud has ever gone is to... get them all involved in.... a dangerous quest to thwart an walking dead alien shape-shifted into the form of a.... dead guy....

Okay, so he might've gotten them in a little trouble, but... almost.... everyone came out okay, right!?

 

[Aeris]

Sign my butt up! I've always thought he was such an interesting, cool character. I can't understand where people got the 'emo' factor from. Considering everything he has been through and the choices he's had to make, I think he's a very brave and clever character.

 

[The Witch]

He does not! House actively tries to make life a living hell for his friends. Cloud does no such thing.

I watch House every day I know House. The rest of them just aren't his friends as much as Wilson/Cuddy, that's all.

Okay, so he might've gotten them in a little trouble, but... almost.... everyone came out okay, right!?

Spoiler

not the one that mattered

Whats everyone's favorite scene of Clouds from each entry to the Compilation?(Crisis Core, FFVII, DoC, AC, ACC, KH I & II, and Tactics etc. etc.)

CC:
When Cloud first meets Zack. Too adorable <3

FFVII:
Death scene. It was the first and only time we got to see him so open with emotion, in my opinion. I just love how he lets all his walls come down and let's his emotions pour out so vividly.

Tactics: The scene where Cloud saves the one chick, like spiderman.

KH:
When he says to Hades... "The God of the underworld is afraid of a kid?" and patronizes Hades like that, with not one ounce of fear in him. sucha bad ass.

KHII: When he's fighting along side Leon and Leon says "Think you can handle this many?" and all Cloud says is "Might be tough if one more shows up" like a total bad ass knowing he could handle all of them already.

AC:
The hand reach scene I love it. His expression is just amazing. I love how much emotion was portrayed in his eyes and his face that seriously looked like this:
at first he was all > then>then>

DoC: When Cloud and Vincent talk on the phone...
Cloud: I don't think we have to worry, though. Those two should be fine.
Vincent: Yeah. And what about you?
Cloud: What do you think?

It's like Cloud's ol' bad ass cocky self all over again. He knows he's bad to the bone.

Dissidia: When Cloud's standing in the flower field and Squall says something like "we should fight side by side again" and Cloud just says "NOT INTERESTED" he's such a jerkface... but oh so yummy

Dissidia012:

Spoiler

"Cloud: "Save her. Save my friend."

Um... when he asks Minerva to protect Tifa as he's fading.

<--spoiler in there

I have to say mine is totally his KHI outfit, he looks so kick-ass. Some of the most awesome Cloud pics come from the KH manga, because he looks so sexy in those clothes, also hello! Dissidia KHI Cloud so totally hot! Not enough fanart of Cloud those clothes

I so agree

So, whats everyone's favorite Cloud outfit?

Like you said, I LOVE LOVE LOVE his KHI outfit. He works a mysterious cape so damn well, I swear! *fans self* I just love how it combines his VII outfit but also does a lil somethin' somethin' new for all his fangirls.

Seriously... I'd have his babies T_T

Spoiler

and no... i do not care how creepy that sounds

Sign my butt up! I've always thought he was such an interesting, cool character. I can't understand where people got the 'emo' factor from. Considering everything he has been through and the choices he's had to make, I think he's a very brave and clever character.

I Agree! Welcome to the club!

Try answering these questions if you got time.

So, whats everyone's favorite Cloud outfit?
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Whats everyone's favorite scene of Clouds from each entry to the Compilation?(Crisis Core, FFVII, DoC, AC, ACC, KH I & II, and Tactics etc. etc.)

 

[Aeris]

So, whats everyone's favorite Cloud outfit?

Whats everyone's favorite scene of Clouds from each entry to the Compilation?(Crisis Core, FFVII, DoC, AC, ACC, KH I & II, and Tactics etc. etc.)

My favorite outfit for Cloud would have to be the first Kingdom Hearts game.
He just looks so kickass in it! It was really refreshing for me to see. :3

As for my favorite scene, it would have to be Crisis Core. He smiled, was friendly and showed that he was just an ordinary guy caught up in something that he shouldn't have been. Cloud even showed weakness when travel sick and admiration towards Zack. I fell in love with his character even more! WAAAH!! <3

 

[Tucker]

Welcome to the Club Aeris I like your username.

Favorite Cloud outfit is def AC's. Even though many don't like it, I find it verrrrrry good lookin on him

 

[Saints&Storms]

EDIT; Oops, I already typed out a reply by the time I saw you say we should end the discussion >.>

**I don't think a debate can piss me off, since its in all good ole clean fun like I said. But your right lets just drop it since neither of us seem to agree with the other I was personally enjoying this discussion but, Addio! I guess. Like you said lets just end this debate, let this be the last note, I guess >.>

Actually you didn't fully address the Dissidia profiles, you said you held one in more prospective than the other and that to you it matched Cloud more and contradicted the other profile where it calls him "Antisocial and Arrogant". That's not fully addressing something but rather holding one in more importance because you actually agree with it; it kinda seems like your taking and seeing what and only what you agree with and want to see. We are disagreeing because you are arguing the way you see Cloud, and how you take him to be, and picking and choosing what and which traits and example best describe Cloud. You have said more than a few time in your other posts as well that its what you see, using phrasing like "what I think" and the like a lot. So again I have no problem with your opinion, but it in no way conflicts the facts and official statements having been provided here.

You are doing it again, picking and choosing what to take into account and what not to take into account, no hard feelings but, you are lacking to see or refusing to see that Cloud has been called anti-social and cold as well. Both things used several times to describe the REAL and inner Cloud. Absolute asshole? Come on now, really? I never said he was an absolute asshole, I simply said he's a cold, distant, "spiky headed jerk" who is also antisocial, and actually I didn't say that the FF team and SQUARE ENIX did. You nand FF team disagree that while you have been saying this whole time that Cloud is rarely and ass or a jerk and such and that real Cloud is sweet and so on -- while I have provided interviews, Ultimania quotes and references, Dismantled quotes and profile descriptions as well/ :/ THAT is where your beliefs contradict SQUARE's word, Nomura's word and the FF teams word. I never said the words "Not Interested" summed up his WHOLE attitude and persona, Nomura and the FF team gave us description on his character and personality, so what I or you say doesn't make any impact whatsoever -- since THEY have told us whats what.

Well until SQUARE ENIX says there is also a mushy, cuddly, cutesy softy on the inside of Clouds personality, and until we have more to go on than your opinion and what you say is there; we honestly have to go by what we have been told and showed in Final Fantasy VII and any other Cloud appearances and descriptions, because you and I are alas fan alone and nothing more. Cloud can be endearing and still be his spiky headed jerky ole self, I think you seem to believe they contradict each other and they really don't at all. I whole-heartedly disagree there DM, because you can't just see one half of the equation and choose to see it and only it alone, Cloud is made up of two halves, and you need both to make the final product; who Cloud really is. Cloud is a jack-ass with a good heart, never said he wasn't, and they don't contradict one another either.

No, you can't really blame him; since that's what all the shit he's been through has made him and molded him into, but nothing proves or even insinuates that Clouds Coldness and distantness is a facade - quite the opposite actually -- since Nomura said the part of Cloud that says "Not interested" is the real cold and distant Cloud.

If we consider this, the part of his coolness that keeps him away from the surroundings and the part of his asserting "not interested" all have nothing to do with the influence of Jenova cells, They belong to the real Cloud's personality. (FFVII Ultimania Omega, p. 180)

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DM if you really like both parts of Cloud you accept both parts, but you've been doing the complete opposite in you posts just above you said this; "The evidence is all there for us to see, which side you choose to focus on entirely depends upon the individual." and you even chose which Dissidia profile you thought matched him more when there are two to take into account for a reason, you thought that being reserved and anti-social conflicted each other when they really don't. I'm not trying to say you don't really like Cloud, sorry if you got that, I just think, like you said you focus on only ONE part of it and deny the other part or think that its a miniscule part of who he is, and its not; its a big part of who he is, a huge part actually. I'm not trying to make this personal, sorry if you are taking it that way.

Well, then there you go, doesn't that make the Ultimania's on the same level as Crisis Core, simply retconed and not full of mistakes? Crisis Core retconed FFVII and the Ultimania's are doing thew same; that put them on equal footing, if you can accept the retcons of Crisis Core why not the Ultimanias, since like CC they too were made more recently. It just seems selective to not apply the same reasoning to the Ultimanias, right? Right.

There is not much to grasp, just simply to see and read whjat the listed attribute and features of Cloud personality are; and that is; a spiky-headed jerk, anti-social, cold, distant, reserved, yet awkward and simplistic as well. Thanks to the profiles the guessing games and opinionated parts have been extinguished, because SE told us who Cloud is.

Well, I disagree there, and obviously so does SE because they chose to write that as who Cloud is, and like I have been saying my opinion or your have no consolation in the matter; so while you think they are contradticting attributes or conflicting; SE must disagree. How, does anti-social mean they shun other people? It could mean they do it on purpose or that a characteristic of said person is simply unlikeable.

I also like that about Cloud; while he is weak he still manage to be the hero the story needed, but what this has to do with Cloud being a jerk or cold and distant guy or not is beyond me, so that's why I said it seemed as though you bringing that up was meant to be a combat for why you believed Cloud wasn't a cold/distant/antisocial/jerk. It really has no place in the discussion >.< Well, you have been denying that cold and distant are who Cloud really is or atleast a part of it and were in fact a made up facade of a 'hard ass hero' act; while that actually isn't true because a 'hard-ass hero act' doesn't exist, he was acting like Zack with exception of real Cloud (the cool distant guy) still seeping through.

There is more to Cloud, I have said it many times. I'll say it right now, Cloud is not only an ass but a simplistic and awkward ass. Being a jerk isn't JUST who he is, but a large part of it for sure.

Yes, I say "Complete opposite" beause earlier you denied him being anti-social at all, denied Distant/Cold/Anti-social Cloud having leaked through save for rarely pre-Lifestream event and that he was actually more himself after the Lifestream event -- a nice and cheery Cloud and that a ajckass wouldn't cheer a friend up (which is wrong...)

Never said any of that DM, I have continuously and numerously said the EXACT conflicting argument actually, you are the only one here who seems to be arguing in favor of there being merely ONE side to Cloud and refusing to acknowledge Ultimanias and Dissidia profiles to better this belief. I again wholeheartedly agree that there are two sides to Cloud.

So, SE and Nomura are wrong but TVTropes guys aren't? Sorry clubmate, that sounds silly to me I'll take the creators words over fan ideas and theories any day ;/ Especially since that's what we have Databooks for -- To eliminate any guessing games.

I never said you were a "hallucinating fangirl", I am just saying -- try and see both sides of Cloud, since there is more to him.
"My Version"? I have no 'version' of Cloud, there is Cloud and that's all, the Cloud SQUARE ENIX and Nomura have given me; and I quite like him. I haven't used my opinion once here, I like what Nomura made Cloud out to be so there's no need to stick to my "idea" of him, if ever there was one.

What gives me the right? Well, nothing -- 'specially since I am not saying that I am simply saying here is what SE, Nomura and the FF team says Cloud is and you are choosing to only see one side of him. What makes what you say less valid than what SQUARE ENIX says is that they make him while you play him in a video game. Nothing I say is more valid, but everything SQUARE ENIX and Nomura say are more valid. I never said CLoud was IMMORAL, you seem once again to think being a antisocial, cold, distant jerk makes you a bad guy and it doesn't. How am I attacking anything, I thought we agreed that this was a non-hostile debate/discussion...>.>

Again I though we were debating something, I could have sworn we both said it wouldn't get hostile and I still don't see how I was 'attacking' you.

Yes, actually it is. You have constantly said here 'I this and I that' You actually said 'rarely' saw the Jackass part of Cloud and that that was "role" he was playing and nothing more. I never said you denied any of those things, only that YOU said Cloud rarely was a Jackass and even disputed the Ultimania's and said Cloud was "Anti-social" even though his Dissidia profile said he IS. I also don't think a jackass is Clouds end all be all characteristic I said this a lot actually, just that its a VEYR large part of him.

Here are a few examples of you saying you'd stick with your opinion and continue to hold the Ultimania's and Databooks in "suspicion" < which is YOUR opinion and 'Choice'

• "I've always held the Ultimania Guide in suspicion, though. It also says that Tifa got cut across the back in the Nibel reactor... and that Cloud did it. I cannot help but doubt it."
• "I thought it was just Cloud playing the role he'd always wanted to be since he was young"
• "I think I'm going to stick with the idea that he was acting out a hard-ass hero character."
• "I'm going to be a strict interpretationist and stick with the THEORY"

I never said Cloud was simply an "Anti-social killing machine" I have continued to say the opposite, and insisting anything else would be putting words in my mouth I have simply said that since the creators and SE say Cloud is Anti-Social; then he is INDEED that. Since he is their product, and creation. And honestly again; saying Cloud reminds you of Haplo is again your opinion. Unless and until officially mentioned and stated elsewhere -- its opinion and nothing more.

I am not saying nothing you say counts DM, I never said that but I have posted been posting OFFICIAL references and quotes and interviews. And I am not trying to insult you but anything less is just opinion. When I say Cloud is anti-social -- its because SE produced those words first i.e. in the Dissidia profiles and Museum. I didn't mean to grind your likes and dislikes in the mud I wasn't aware that was even happening.

I was just saying it doesn't seem like Cloud is an Anti-Hero, its never been said officially that he is and I don't think Cloud really acknowledges he is A hero, nor is he the ONLY hero -- he is the MAIN protagonist though...but this is opinionated -- and him being or not being a Anti-hero doesn't have a part in this debate and it doesn't affect whether he's antisocial or not.

I never said Cloud was a "Self-serving sonuvabitch", I actually keep having to say he is not that in fact like I said and all I said is "he wouldn't slam the door in a friends face but he wouldn't wrangle a get-together either" he's just that kinda guy. I never said Cloud had no use for anyone else -- I never said anything you are saying I said actually

Here let me make clear my stance in the debate since you seem to have missed it; I think while Cloud is awkward and an eventually kind dude, he is also an anti-social, distant, and cold guy -- like its been said by the creators...

*Looks back*

I don't see where I said Cloud was an "uncaring asshole" -- I never said that once >.> I actualy have only been debating with you since you said the part of Cloud that was an ass was just Clouds "Hard-ass hero act" even though no such thing exists in the first place. I never said his motives were limited to just revenge either your the only one who keeps bringing that up, I haven't even discussed what drives Cloud or what his motives are...

Everyone in Final Fantasy VII calls Cloud and "spiky-headed jerk"; its another thing that told us he was indeed a "jerk" in the first place, as well as the databooks that followed the original game.

"Jerk" is the word SE made everyone in the game call him; so sorry, but whether or not YOU'D use it doesn't really apply in a debate -- no offense, I know how harsh that sounds but I don't mean it to be. >.< Since again it only matters what the creators say and what is officially stated about Clouds Character, that's all we can really use and rely on to prove what Cloud is or what Cloud isn't.

You didn't per se "question" it but dismiss it, you said that the asshole part of Cloud was an "act" that he put on since he thought that's what Hero's do :/ That kinda was you putting that part of Cloud on a dusty old shelf.

My idea of Cloud is "stiff"? Well, Stiffer than the stiffs back home, hun. And that can be taken to the bank But again where have I said "I think Cloud is so and so"? Never, nowhere -- I have only been discussing what you think Cloud is and what SQUARE ENIX said he is -- I think you need to read these official statements again because this is what Clouds creators say he is as opposed to what you or TVTropes say he is.

DISSIDIA
"A reserved young man who brandishes a large sword with ease. He leads his other warriors with his rational decision-making befitting a leader, but internally he has difficulty being confident in his actions." —Dissidia 012 Description (Museum)

"A former SOLDIER 1st Class. A young swordsman with antisocial tendencies and arrogant words to match his famous title, Cloud gives out precise orders based on rational decisions. While at time inspiring ill-will, he most certainly earned the trust of his comrades." ~ Cloud Strife, FFVII, Museum for Dissidia 012


Final Fantasy VII
(Young Cloud turns away.)
"I used to think... they were all stupid."
(Tifa spins to face him.) Tifa "What?"
(He turns back to face Tifa.)

"You were all childish, laughing at every little stupid thing."
(She turns to look at her former self and friends, then back to Young Cloud.)
Tifa "But we were children, back then."

ULTIMANIA OMEGA
"The origin of the saying "not interested".

In the scene when the young Cloud explains his mental state by saying "I used to think people around me were foolish", surprisingly, he shows the posture of shrugging his shoulders.
If we consider this, the part of his coolness that keeps him away from the surroundings and the part of his asserting "not interested" all have nothing to do with the influence of Jenova cells, They belong to the real Cloud's personality.
(FFVII Ultimania Omega, p. 180)

FFVII 10th Anniversary Ultimania
Despite his cold behavior in several scenes, Cloud is essentially popular with members of the opposite sex. Cloud's character profile
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Actually what Cloud completely says is; he was the stupid one, and that he only thinks that the others were dumb now because he truly only wanted into the others groups. He didn't simply say "Nah, I am the stupid one", Tifa defends the other kids by saying "We were kids" and Cloud says "I know...I was the stupid one". I never said he thought of them that way on account of his WEAKNESS -- he thought of them that way on account of them SHUNNING him from their groups.

I never said anything about him blaming other people and and the world, or any of that DM :/ He didn't have friends, the town ended up hating him for what Tifa did, Cloud himself says no one let him into their groups -- how did he NOT lack the kindness of others?

Since when did I say they said that? Since I never claimed so I'll continue with other things; I am only telling you that SE and Nomura have said Cloud is -- cold, distant, ant-social, and reserved -- I never said an asshole who cares only for himself -- however he did start out that way, but was generally changed after meeting Aerith. I don't think they are negative parts of Cloud, but I am saying this because YOU yourself said the hard-ass part of Cloud was an "ACT" he put on and that which stopped after the Lifestream Event.

So again; I didn't say any of what you said I said Cloud was; Evil, uncaring, selfish, maniacal etc. Never said none-of that.

How does needing his friends mean he's not an asshole? It really doesn't, I mean it does say a lot about who he is since it took him awhile to realize it -- but I never denied that he needed his friends -- since that's exactly what Aerith showed him in the end of Advent Children -- that he didn't have to suffer in loneliness anymore <

And when he turns around--- "she" is starting to leave. Together with the friend who had given Cloud his life. Cloud no longer has to suffer in loneliness... And so they too go back to where they belong. ~ FFVII 10th Anniversary Ult. AC Playback. (revised edition)

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*In the game, Cloud says that he's going after Sephiroth for revenge. By the end of the game, however, we know his motivation isn't all that simple anymore.

What are you trying to get at there DM? >.< I was saying that despite you trying to say I said Cloud was hateful and full of reveng kinda guy I never said that. I never said he didn't have revenge in him -- I simply defended myself when you accused me of watering Cloud down to a "hate filled, revenge filled monster" -- When I never said anything of the sort. You made that assumption based on me telling you what Nomura and SE said.

*You have to admit that Cloud treats his friends much better than House does, though.
Never said he didn't.
Because Dragon, you said the jackass, cold, antisocial part of Cloud was him putting on a "Hard-ass act" and that it wasn't real Cloud, and that we only saw real Cloud post-Lifestream. When in actuality that isn't even close to be true :/ And also said that being "antisocial" wasn't who he was or that it contradictory to being reserved -- as though he can't be both -- when he indeed is.

Because, dude; he's called arrogant, antisocial, distant, and cold -- all these things make a Jackass, but I never said that the creators said that's all there is to Cloud. Maybe you don't understand it because you simply said yourself; that one can choose to simply see ONE side of Cloud and be done with it, and that he can't logically be anti-social.

Even though SE says otherwise in the Dissidia profile and museum.

I don't think a debate can piss me off, since its in all good ole clean fun like I said. But your right lets just drop it since neither of us seem to agree with the other I was personally enjoying this discussion but, Addio! I guess.


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Whats everyone's favorite scene of Clouds from each entry to the Compilation?(Crisis Core, FFVII, DoC, AC, ACC, KH I & II, and Tactics etc. etc.)

FFVII: Definitely when he says to Aerith in the Shin-Ra jail, "I'm your body-guard right?" I like how he reassures her so confidently.

CC: "I'm a country boy too!" He is soo cute in this game, I love young Cloud, he is so precious

DoC: His whole fight with Rosso was awesome, but definitely his entrance to the game, when Barret and Tifa drop him out of that Van they are driving, he's just like -- "Who's bad? Cloud's bad."

AC: Probably when he beats Bahamut or when he and Vincent discuss sins in the Forgotten City, I can tell Clouds trying hard to sound just as intelligent as Vincent does and its so cute :3

ACC: Hrm, hard to say -- probably when he and Sephy fight and he does that super sexy new limit break, after being beat up a few times, I like how they added Cloud getting new injuries, serious ones too -- and yet he still comes out the tired and worn out victor.

KHI: When he tells Sora that he's searching for his own light as well, and gives him some fatherly advice; Don't lose sight of it! Such a cute discussion

KHII: When he and Aerith talk in front of Sora, I like how Cloud puffs his chest out all masculine-like. As well as how he seems so in-control of everything x3

Tactics: When he saves the Flower girl, He is so damn SEXEH!!!111 I love how he turns to her and says "Go...now..." what a Dark Knight

Flower Girl: Let...go of me! [The town knave examines the girl.] Knave: Hmm, pretty good looking! Oughta try sellin' your body instead of flowers. Hee, hee. [The knaves starts to laugh.] Cloud: Get your hands off her! [Cloud appears.] Knave: What did you say!? Cloud: Didn't you hear me? Get your filthy hands off her! [The town knave takes his hand from the girl's neck and grabs Cloud's shirt.] Knave: Who the hell are you? Dressed in funny clothes! [Cloud knocks the knave. The knave falls down on the ground. Clout turns around at the girl.] Cloud: Go...now...​

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Welcome to the Club Aeris, good to see more members, I hope you enjoy your time at the Club and all the discussions on Cloud.

I totally agree, definitely the KHI outfit for me, I actually chose the same one too x3

And I love Cloud motion sickness, hes so quirky *u*

I watch House every day I know House. The rest of them just aren't his friends as much as Wilson/Cuddy, that's all.

I totally agree, I am glad you think the same too *y* I think Cloud like house in the fact that he is weird and anti-social. House does all that stuff to Wilson/Cuddy cause he doesn't wanna lose them, and he can't help it. In that aspect Cloud and he are the same.

Favorite Cloud outfit is def AC's. Even though many don't like it, I find it verrrrrry good lookin on him

I love his AC outfit too, just not as much as his Batman cape

 

[Dragon Mage]

Well, I'm sorry to end this discussion when you've been enjoying it so much, WG, but if you want to continue it via PM I'd be happy to try and oblige.

I just really, really, really, really, really want to keep the club free of any bad air that might come up. >.< I don't see how it will get anything more than disgruntled huffiness at the others' stubbornness, lol.

But..... if you're REALLY, SERIOUSLY not upset in the slightest, I'll make a full quote & poke if you like. But only after you confirm you're really not moved in the slightest by the convo, WG.

Yes, I am paranoid beyond belief. I find paranoia very prudent at times.


Hmmm, now I'll provide a question.

Which hair style do you like better: FF7 or AC?

For me, it's AC all the way. It looks so much better, IMO.