Is it Pedophilia When someone is attracted to an Anime Character?

Squid I have to agree with Toni. Even the thought of it is disturbing...

I think in this day and age where the internet is SO big, the term 'pedophilia' should be broadened to mean more than just the act of doing it... It's watching it and/or enjoying the act of it happening, whether it be in cartoon/anime form or not. It's the representation of a minor. THATS why it's wrong and is considered pedophilia in not only MY eyes, but many others eyes...
 
Jolly Boots of Doom said:
I completely agree with you two.

It's the representation of it. It's supposed to be a child, and that's what's wrong with it. :/ It might not be "real" but it's still supposed to be a child that's being objectified sexually.

For me, I have a hard time seeing where the line is drawn from "fantasy" and reality. If you like to watch/look at it when it's an anime/cartoon form, what's stopping your mind from being attracted to it in real life? I'm not saying that most people who like lollis are pedophiles that act on their urges in the real world, but I'm just genuinely curious how one can separate the two. :huh:
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I think that's the problem.

People try to separate the two, one being a form of art and one being an actual occurrence and think that there is no cause for concern if it's in the art form. That's not the case. Art comes from emotion and feeling. Why else would you be drawing it? For the shits and giggles? Not likely, considering most of them are drawn well (Yes, I have seen them and they are sick)... I used to draw very obscene things (people being killed and morbid occurrences) because I was distressed and I didn't know how else to deal with my emotions (because I most CERTAINLY WASN'T going to kill someone or something) but it called forth concern from my teachers because they KNEW something was wrong.

There is clearly something wrong with someone drawing these things. It's either A.) You get a sick pleasure out of it. B.) You have hidden feelings for such things. C.) You are in distress or have a mental problem. OR D.) You do it for the shits and giggles. (even though it clearly isn't funny)

Sorry to any of you reading this who actually DO draw/get pleasure from this sort of thing. I'm just going to be polite and say you need help. I mean that in the most concerning and helpful way possible...
 
First of all, the word 'pedophilia/paedophilia' has always meant that that person has an attraction to per-pubescent children. There doesn't have to be any act. People are arrested for child molestation, and not necessarily for being attracted to children.

If you like to watch/look at it when it's an anime/cartoon form, what's stopping your mind from being attracted to it in real life? I'm not saying that most people who like lollis are pedophiles that act on their urges in the real world, but I'm just genuinely curious how one can separate the two. :huh:
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You can extend this argument to other things. If you like playing video games where you kill other people what's stopping you from wanting to kill other people in real life? How do people separate the two? The thing is, a lot of people are good at separating fantasy from reality. If doing such a thing were so difficult, there would probably be way more shootings going on. Just look at how many people play Call of Duty.

Also, there are people that do have rape fantasies. There are women who have fantasies about being raped. It's actually not that uncommon. Does that mean that they want to be raped? Heck no.

Do you think that people who are attracted to anime children creeps? That's really up to other people to decide. Should they be arrested for looking at pictures of fictional children? I don't think so. Real life child porn is wrong and anyone having to do with it should be punished. In order to make it, a real child has to be harmed and exploited. Being punished for possession of 2D porn is a victimless crime. No one is hurt in it's production. Being into something that people find disgusting if it isn't hurting anyone isn't reason enough to be punished.
 
Squid said:
Because most porn is of two consenting adults having sex. Gay porn is of two consenting adults. Child porn is of a child who is innocent and shouldn't be abused like that, Anime child porn is still a representation of a child having sex with an adult. It represents it. Who cares if it's not real. The fact that the person even gets off on the idea of a child, that alone is disgusting.
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99% of all humans are heterosexual with no inclination to the kiddie porn. The other 1% are made of homosexuals, pedophiles, transsexuals, etc.
The 1% are abnormal, and separating them is a poor excuse in making homosexuality and transsexualism not disgusting as you say pedophiles are. That is the flaw in today's perception of sexuality.

If no harm is done, then there is nothing more wrong with pedophile desires then there is homosexuality. That is the point.

The world is bored and finds things to prescribe fault to, not realizing it has to point the finger at itself as a whole. It is what drives everything from the laughable construct of political correctness all the way to the general hypocrisy of society.

I find pedophilia to be as deviant as any other corrupt sexuality, not any more or less, because part of the problem these days are children being infantilized and thus being even bigger victims then they have to be. All of a sudden, a pedophile is on the same teir as a murderer. And that, my friend, is a logical fallacy.
 
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Shinra Executive said:
99% of all humans are heterosexual with no inclination to the kiddie porn. The other 1% are made of homosexuals, pedophiles, transsexuals, etc.
The 1% are abnormal, and separating them is a poor excuse in making homosexuality and transsexualism not disgusting as you say pedophiles are. That is the flaw in today's perception of sexuality.

If no harm is done, then there is nothing more wrong with pedophile desires then there is homosexuality. That is the point.

The world is bored and finds things to prescribe fault to, not realizing it has to point the finger at itself as a whole. It is what drives everything from the laughable construct of political correctness all the way to the general hypocrisy of society.
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Theres a difference between consenting adults (two MEN, two WOMEN, or one MAN and one WOMAN) and a MAN or WOMAN having sex with a CHILD...

I don't see the argument you are trying to make... There's a BIG difference between homosexuality and pedophilia...

But we are getting WAY off topic.
 
Hayley Williams said:
Theres a difference between consenting adults (two MEN, two WOMEN, or one MAN and one WOMAN) and a MAN or WOMAN having sex with a CHILD...

I don't see the argument you are trying to make... There's a BIG difference between homosexuality and pedophilia...
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As opposed to what? They all involve mutilation and desecration of the body. Transsexuals have an average lifespan of 30 years begining either at birth or 23 years post surgery. It is an astonishing fact that goes astonishingly ignored. Homosexuals destroy their bodies, and HIV and otherwise AIDS spreads around the homosexual community like a plague. A good percentage of homosexuals have been married or are married- with children. And their children have to live with that.

So what is so horrible about pedophilia over them? There isn't- they are all the same, driven by a like carnal screw that unbolted.
 
Squid said:
Are you a Paedo? Because only a really screwed up person would come up with a comparison like that 8(
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If I had a nickel for every time a person attempted to win this argument by stating what you just stated. Do you have any real defense at all, or do you have no choice then to fall back on the lousy comment you just made?

I look at sexuality the same way a psychologist would. You look at it in the politically correct fashion, or as I like to call it, the delusional way.
 
I'm just baffled at what you wrote and have realised there's probably no point in arguing this with you because you're comparing homosexuals to Paedos and you don't think there's anything wrong with that.
 
Shinra Executive said:
As opposed to what?
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Shinra Executive said:
They all involve mutilation and desecration of the body. Transsexuals have an average lifespan of 30 years begining either at birth or post-surgery. It is an astonishing fact that goes astonishingly ignored. Homosexuals destroy their bodies, and HIV and otherwise AIDS spreads around the homosexual community like a plague. A good percentage of homosexuals have been married or are married- with children. And their children have to live with that.

So what is so horrible about pedophilia over them? There isn't- they are all the same, driven by a like carnal screw that unbolted.
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So do piercings, does that make them just as bad? :hmmm:

Why are they being brought into this? It's not their fault that they were born that way...

You mean like STDS ALL over the world? It's not just in the gay community, it's everywhere...

That is the faulting of poor sexual education and not taking care of your body. It has NOTHING to do with being gay... Are you going to bash straight parents with HIV/AIDS as well? Because it's not just the gay community...

It's like comparing apples to oranges. It's like comparing the death penalty to murder. (Idc if that's a bad analogy or not)

Two consenting adults having sex is the same as a man or woman having sex with a child? According to a religious point of view MAYBE... :hmmm:
 
Shinra Executive said:
In other words, you have no defense.
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If that's how you want to see it, that's cool. We already see how warped your view is so it doesn't matter to me.

Watching a child cartoon or not, and getting off on them in my eyes is a very worrying thing, and if you think it's nothing bad then that's your (very worrying and very disturbing) opinion
 
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I don't think he's saying paedophilia isn't wrong, he's saying it's comparable to homosexuality in a way, and that they are both wrong.
 
Hayley Williams said:


So do piercings, does that make them just as bad? :hmmm:
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Piercings don't result in rectal hemorrhage and a constant assault on the bodies immune system.


Why are they being brought into this? It's not their fault that they were born that way...
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So homosexuals are born attracted to the same sex but pedophiles are not born attracted to children? Please enlighten me on this scientific founding.

You mean like STDS ALL over the world? It's not just in the gay community, it's everywhere...
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It is far more denser in the homosexual community. Statistics will show that quite clearly. Why do you think that is? Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that they just want to get their rocks off regardless of another person's well-being, could it? Kinda like pedophiles, you see.

That is the faulting of poor sexual education and not taking care of your body.
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I think if anybody needs an education on sexuality, it's anyone who disagrees with what I have posted thus far. Because it's all sound observation.

 
Shinra Executive said:
If I had a nickel for every time a person attempted to win this argument by stating what you just stated. Do you have any real defense at all, or do you have no choice then to fall back on the lousy comment you just made?

I look at sexuality the same way a psychologist would. You look at it in the politically correct fashion, or as I like to call it, the delusional way.
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Political correctness has nothing to do with it. How are we the delusional ones when we think it's wrong to oogle or fantacize about children in an illicit way :wacky: *I* wouldn't be considering seeing a psychologist about my political correctness, I'd rather have a psychologist see why it is someone needs to view children as a fullfillment to their sexual perversions as opposed to finding a mate that is their own age and able to consent to their sexual needs.

I'd venture to guess that people who need to look at child porn have some fetish or something they are trying to fulfill, and whether or not one of US thinks that is right or wrong, has nothing to do with it. It's when that person takes the next possible step and decides to act on those decisions...and if that person doesn't think looking at porn is wrong, do you really think that same person is going to have the ability to NOT think it's wrong when they abduct a child and rape them or etc...? I suppose you know the exact line these people have before they eventually crack and can't contain their actions to merely just visual porn to satisfy themselves. ...and I suppose the thought of a child pedophile coaching your child during gym class or working at your child's daycare just sends the thought of rainbows and butterflies through your head?

Who is going to speak for the children? What about their rights? Naturally, they don't have any. We are supposed to be the ones with morals, as adults. ...although with society being what it is today I suppose we are too far gone for all of that.
 
Hey folks, can we get back on track with the original point of the topic please? Homosexuality has nothing to do with pedophilia, so to go back to the thread title:

"Is it pedophilia when someone is attracted to an anime character?"

Thank you :)

EDIT: exactly mel. Exactly :ninja:
 
"Piercings don't result in rectal hemorrhage and a constant assault on the bodies immune system."

Thats really no one elses business but their own.


"So homosexuals are born attracted to the same sex but pedophiles are not born attracted to children? Please enlighten me on this scientific founding."

Theres a film called "Deliver Us From Evil" that I think you should take a look at. It does not answer this question, but it will give you something to think about...


"It is far more denser in the homosexual community. Statistics will show that quite clearly. Why do you think that is? Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that they just want to get their rocks off regardless of another person's well-being, could it? Kinda like pedophiles, you see."

Most men are pigs. THATS why. But you are grouping homosexuals as all terrible heartless AIDS ridden individuals. Thats not the case. Also, a child has no real say one way or the other. Gay people know/should know what they are getting into when they are going to have sex.

"I think if anybody needs an education on sexuality, it's anyone who disagrees with what I have posted thus far. Because it's all sound observation."

Or anyone who has the claims to back it up. Since I'm growing weary of this and don't care to look anything else up about it for counter claims (not that I was anyway), I'm going to leave it at this and let you feel free to quote me again. But I will not be responding to it.
 
As Greeny said, return to the topic at hand. The discussion is concerning why/why not it is okay to be attracted to an anime child, not homosexuality. It's fine to compare the two if you have a point to make as long as you remain respectful in it.

Also, it is NOT okay to start bashing someone because they have different views than your own on the topic.

This is the final warning, and further derailing/digs will be infracted.
 
Jolly Boots of Doom said:
You seem to think and delude yourself that you can get away with pedophilia because its your preference. Well, time to burst your bubble, bub--you're wrong. when what you like involves hurting someone else, your needs and wants are overlooked.
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I never said pedophilia was okay. I simply put it in the same boat as all other harmful sexual preferences, because they all do harm. You have a preposition that homosexuality and transexualism is okay, and therefore cannot fathom the idea that everything outside of mature heterosexuality is propelled by a same deviated mindset.
And so, you and several other posters have resorted to fallacious logic and straw men- outright bashing actually- to simmer up an argument.

But a moderator has already said that this is off topic, so I am just going to leave it at that. The original point I was trying to make was that anime child pornography does not harm anyone anymore then, let's say, homosexual porn harms victims in prison. If the reason why pedophilia is wrong is because it hurts a child, then the carnal desire alone is just a fantasy much like any other sexuality. I'm going to wager that anyone who gets off on child porn isn't really thinking about causing harm, but simply getting their rocks off. A homosexual person may fantasize about having sex with a straight person, and even though it would hurt the person, they don't desire to hurt them- only get their rocks off.

You see, there's a big symmetry there. Anime porn, in itself, is a fantasy- an impossible fantasy at that. So why even make a distinction if the anime depicts a child or an adult? Obviously, if they are pertaining to that rather then hunting for actual kiddie porn, then there is an entirely different desire going on in their head.

I have officially put this thread back on topic. Fire away :neomon:
 
The national age of consent in Japan is 13 (though individual regions can set it for themselves) so in a lot of these paedophilic hentai you're talking about, it's probably not really paedophilia for them. Most of the other reasons relating to the differences between CP and hentai have already been made multiple times
 
i would still say it would not make a person a paedophile if they did enjoy this. it's a strange thing to get off on (to my mind) but not any stranger (to me) than pretty much any fetish porn you can think of.

i think one point i missed out last time was that it is not illegal to be a paedophile. if someone who is attracted to pre pubescent children molests a child then they have broken the law, but until they harm a child all they are doing is fantasising, while disturbing, there is fortunately no such thing as thought crime (unless you happen to be religious).

i would also still argue that as we are not dealing with real people, theyre not even remotely anatomically correct beyond having 2 arms, 2 legs and a head. with that you have quite a long way to go to prove that if someone gets off on this they will necessarily be attracted to children. i wouldnt encourage someone to watch it for any sort of entertainment in the same way that i wouldnt encourage someone to watch some other fetish porn, but i wouldnt condone the restriction of something just because i find it a bit strange. even if someone who watched this anime was a paedophile ie attracted to pre pubescent kids, so long as they aren't harming any children (that includes by supporting the creation of child porn) their affliction is confined solely to their mind and i do not think thoughts should be policed.
 
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