If The Final Bosses Were To Meet....

[Valkyrur]

So, who do you think will win!?
Assuming only one of them all will be victor, that is..
And please discuss the reasons too!

I'd say IX's Necron.
Lookie. He can use Blue Shockwave, which, as far as i remember, never misses... (Blue Shockwave reduces HP of single target to 1, lols).
Yep, that and a simple attack move. (And since he has no attack move, then Neutron Ring.)

 

[Red_Mage]

Kefka quite literally became a god. He could destroy the others with his light of judgement.

 

[Mugen]

IMO either Kefka or Ultimecia...

As stated above Kefka became a God and Ultimecia compressed time, thats as bad as it can get.

Then again Sephiroth can call upon Meteor... Damn, this is a hard one for me... I'll try and make my decision later.

 

[rellik259]

id have to say sephiroth because he was litteraly a god before he locked him self up in the

Spoiler

crater

and when he came out he could destroy planets with his most powerful attack supernova or what ever it is called

 

[Rockman X]

id have to say sephiroth because he was litteraly a god before he locked him self up in the

Spoiler

crater

and when he came out he could destroy planets with his most powerful attack supernova or what ever it is called

No. He was not a god, he was utterly destroyed by Cloud twice (we're discounting that bullshit in AC)...and if you would recall, he did NOT even naturally have the power to summon Meteor, he needed to harness the Lifestream's energy. Play more FFs.

Anyway, I went with Zeromus from IV. That bastard was incorporeal, nothing could even touch him. Assuming all the bosses encountered each other, the crystal used to make Zeromus fleshly would likely not be there, nor Cecil to use it, so he could just sit there and laugh at everyone.

But ExDeath/Neo ExDeath would also be a good bet, since he could manipulate the Void. I'm pretty sure even Zeromus would be rendered harmless if ExDeath just trapped him in the Void. Same goes for Necron (although, I have a small theory that the place Necron exists is the Void...so it remains to be seen if that's actually the case).

Kefka was god over all magic, but only in VI's world. His powers likely would not be able to extend beyond it.

 

[Red_Mage]

So I guess the fighting ground would be a deciding factor. Here's how I think it could go:

Sephiroth was too busy killing flower girls. Gets killed by Necron.

The emporer is an utter pansy. Gang-beaten by all the other bosses including Sephiroth's corpse, somehow.

Ultimecia freezes time on Exdeath and Kefka kills him with his uber-magic.

Kefka backstabs Ultimecia.

Necron and Zeromus duke it out, Zeromus is unharmed. Necron ded'd.

Kefka and Zeromus fight, and Zeromus wins. But you fight Kefka twice, so he's still alive.

Kefka kills Vayne who was hiding in the back.

Jecht was drunk the whole time and died from alchohol poisoning, but not before using that crystal he found (while throwing up in a bush) on Zeromus.

Kefka kills Zeromus.

Kefka and Altima fight and FF11's final boss doesn't count because i have no idea what it is.

Kefka beats Garland who was busy declaring his evil plans.

 

[Rockman X]

So I guess the fighting ground would be a deciding factor. Here's how I think it could go:

Sephiroth was too busy killing flower girls. Gets killed by Necron.

The emporer is an utter pansy. Gang-beaten by all the other bosses including Sephiroth's corpse, somehow.

Ultimecia freezes time on Exdeath and Kefka kills him with his uber-magic.

Kefka backstabs Ultimecia.

Necron and Zeromus duke it out, Zeromus is unharmed. Necron ded'd.

Kefka and Zeromus fight, and Zeromus wins. But you fight Kefka twice, so he's still alive.

Kefka kills Vayne who was hiding in the back.

Jecht was drunk the whole time and died from alchohol poisoning, but not before using that crystal he found (while throwing up in a bush) on Zeromus.

Kefka kills Zeromus.

Kefka and Altima fight and FF11's final boss doesn't count because i have no idea what it is.

Kefka beats Garland who was busy declaring his evil plans.

Oh my god, that whole entire thing was massive lulz, but the bit about Jecht actually had me laughing out loud. Kudos to you, good sir

But you forgot to throw Kuja and Yu Yevon in there, in which case things would be decidedly different. Sephiroth and Kuja would taunt each other and induce bulimic fits of rage to be more attractive than the other, and they would ultimately vomit out their organs and die.

Yu Yevon would just cast auto life on everyone so that the killing spree would loop over and over until an empy beer bottle Jecht left lying around is inadvertently broken by Kefka's magic attacks and launched toward Yu Yevon, piercing his jelly-ish body and killing him and ending the auto-life effect.

 

[Red_Mage]

Then as Yu-Yevon's jelly spills onto the ground everyone slips on it and dies. Jecht is revived one final time and gets drunk from his newly claimed trophy while beating Tidus with a hose.

It's a happy day for good guys and Tidus haters everywhere.

 

[Silver Shadow]

i voted FF V seeing as Gilgamesh WILL NOT STAY DEAD so he would win
he won't die

 

[The Crystal]

Sephiroth turns intangible(because his body in AC is 100% Jenova, and her/it cells can turn intangible) and watch everyone killing each other. But then Ex-Death gets pissed and engulf him in the Void, together with everyone else. Kuja escapes(Trance Kuja can travel across dimensions), but is killed by Ex-Death.

When Ex-Death thinks he won, he notes that he(and everyone else) was absorbed by Ultimecia(she was absorbing all existence in her final form).

Ultimecia wins.

 

[Valkyrur]

Only to find out Altima had called her minions to suck Ultimecia into the necrohol of Mullond, where everyone remains trapped forever.
(With Ramza, i guess)

 

[Nikkolas]

Ultimecia's final form couldn't defeat the FFVIII heroes.
She can't beat anyone here.

 

[Kei]

I would say Sephiroth, Zeromus was just a coward hiding in peoples.
Kefka ultimate Judgement of Bolt but as soon as you are near him it means nothing, but still he's a great Villain.
Sephiroth was gonna destroy the whole planet unlike Kefka who changed the shape of the planet if it wasn't for Aerith who called the lifestream :stare:
Ultimeica such as the post above me said.
Kuja never considered him as villain.
Yu Yevon kinda stupid looking and he's easy.
Vayne he was the undying but he died for such wimps.

 

[Ironman]

Sephiroth is the lord of all End game bosses, not only can he call meteor but his sword is massively powerful and he has mastered all of the materia so he would own the rest as though they were a low leveled wolf

 

[Devil Summer]

Yu-yevon could win since he restores his hp every time he's hurt

 

[The_Oathkeeper]

Guys, guys, guys...I think this picture says it all. Garland would knock those impertinent fools down without a problem. Kuja and Ultimecia have nothing on this badass. They might have world destroying powers and control over space and time, but...Garland, man...Garland.

In all seriousness, my vote still goes to Final Fantasy I. I don't think many people really pick up on what Chaos is. He's the very personification of...well...chaos. He represents all things evil and corrupt. Most Final Fantasy villains aim to become a god, similar in power to, say, the gods of Olympus. Chaos, however, is an actual "I command all of time and space" god. I know we don't see him do all that much in-game, but you have to remember that this was an NES RPG. We don't exactly have glorious CGI or FMV's to depict Chaos's universe-destroying powers. However, it's quite obvious that Chaos is supposed to be the be-all, end-all of evil of H.P. Lovecraftian proportions, which is, coincidentally, the role he plays in Dissidia. And yes, I do think that that's the same Chaos presented to us in FF1, mainly because Garland was selected as the representative of that game rather than him and...well, they share the same physical appearance/name. The fact that he was brought into existence by the combined powers of four gods who literally stand to represent the elements themselves further supports my point. I know it’s not horribly obvious, but Chaos is, if you pay attention, portrayed as a literal “control-over-the-forces-of-the-universe” god.

Next in line would probably be Kuja, Ultimecia, and ExDeath. Kuja really doesn't have to be explained. He destroyed an entire planet in mere moments, ripped a hole through the space/time continuum, and is speculated to have destroyed the crystal that gives life to the very fabric of existence. I'd say that deserves a few points on the Grand Scale of FF Villains. Ultimecia, as much as I despise her, had absorbed a significant portion of existence before her death. While I don't see her being all that impressive physically speaking, she seems to at least have godly magical proficiency. ExDeath controls the Void. That instantly puts him on the Upper Tier, at least. Personally, I'm not sure where Necron fits on this list. All things considered, he should probably be on this tier or even above it. He does appear to be one of those "I rule all existence!" gods similar to Chaos, but, whereas Kuja is about as powerful as the Final Fantasy IX party in its entirety (he did beat them, but I'm thinking it was a very close fight since he was forced to use Ultima, which I’m guessing was his last resort. Not to mention they'd just gotten finished fighting Deathgaze, so they weren’t at their full power), Necron was beaten or at least fended off by Zidane and only three other people, in other words half of the party. So...I guess that'd put him lower than Kuja. *shrugs* I'll put some more thought into it later.

Next in-line would be the likes of Sephiroth and Kefka. The two are basically polar opposites, so I think that their strengths and weaknesses would balance each other out. Whereas Sephiroth possesses incredible physical strength, Kefka was literally the god of all magic in the FF6 universe. Yeah, he has Light of Judgment, but that really isn't much use at close range. Besides, it seems to travel at a pretty slow pace. Sephiroth may be able to evade it even at least long enough to close the distance between himself and Kefka. Even so, neither of them have really shown world/universe-destroying powers, only city-destroying powers. This puts them below the true gods of the Final Fantasy universe in terms of raw power. Sephiroth might be able to put up a fight against Kuja due to his probably-superior speed and agility, but he and Kefka are simply blown out of the water in terms of magical power.

The rest are a bit difficult to rank due to certain circumstances surrounding their existence and whatnot, but I’d say those are the top three tiers as far as Final Fantasy villains are concerned.

 

[Red_Mage]

Guys, guys, guys...I think this picture says it all. Garland would knock those impertinent fools down without a problem. Kuja and Ultimecia have nothing on this badass. They might have world destroying powers and control over space and time, but...Garland, man...Garland.

In all seriousness, my vote still goes to Final Fantasy I. I don't think many people really pick up on what Chaos is. He's the very personification of...well...chaos. He represents all things evil and corrupt. Most Final Fantasy villains aim to become a god, similar in power to, say, the gods of Olympus. Chaos, however, is an actual "I command all of time and space" god. I know we don't see him do all that much in-game, but you have to remember that this was an NES RPG. We don't exactly have glorious CGI or FMV's to depict Chaos's universe-destroying powers. However, it's quite obvious that Chaos is supposed to be the be-all, end-all of evil of H.P. Lovecraftian proportions, which is, coincidentally, the role he plays in Dissidia. And yes, I do think that that's the same Chaos presented to us in FF1, mainly because Garland was selected as the representative of that game rather than him and...well, they share the same physical appearance/name. The fact that he was brought into existence by the combined powers of four gods who literally stand to represent the elements themselves further supports my point. I know it’s not horribly obvious, but Chaos is, if you pay attention, portrayed as a literal “control-over-the-forces-of-the-universe” god.

Next in line would probably be Kuja, Ultimecia, and ExDeath. Kuja really doesn't have to be explained. He destroyed an entire planet in mere moments, ripped a hole through the space/time continuum, and is speculated to have destroyed the crystal that gives life to the very fabric of existence. I'd say that deserves a few points on the Grand Scale of FF Villains. Ultimecia, as much as I despise her, had absorbed a significant portion of existence before her death. While I don't see her being all that impressive physically speaking, she seems to at least have godly magical proficiency. ExDeath controls the Void. That instantly puts him on the Upper Tier, at least. Personally, I'm not sure where Necron fits on this list. All things considered, he should probably be on this tier or even above it. He does appear to be one of those "I rule all existence!" gods similar to Chaos, but, whereas Kuja is about as powerful as the Final Fantasy IX party in its entirety (he did beat them, but I'm thinking it was a very close fight since he was forced to use Ultima, which I’m guessing was his last resort. Not to mention they'd just gotten finished fighting Deathgaze, so they weren’t at their full power), Necron was beaten or at least fended off by Zidane and only three other people, in other words half of the party. So...I guess that'd put him lower than Kuja. *shrugs* I'll put some more thought into it later.

Next in-line would be the likes of Sephiroth and Kefka. The two are basically polar opposites, so I think that their strengths and weaknesses would balance each other out. Whereas Sephiroth possesses incredible physical strength, Kefka was literally the god of all magic in the FF6 universe. Yeah, he has Light of Judgment, but that really isn't much use at close range. Besides, it seems to travel at a pretty slow pace. Sephiroth may be able to evade it even at least long enough to close the distance between himself and Kefka. Even so, neither of them have really shown world/universe-destroying powers, only city-destroying powers. This puts them below the true gods of the Final Fantasy universe in terms of raw power. Sephiroth might be able to put up a fight against Kuja due to his probably-superior speed and agility, but he and Kefka are simply blown out of the water in terms of magical power.

The rest are a bit difficult to rank due to certain circumstances surrounding their existence and whatnot, but I’d say those are the top three tiers as far as Final Fantasy villains are concerned.

Kefka is outranked magically by Kuja magically? Ultimecia, maybe a tie, but deinantly not Kuja. Kuja may be a primarily magic using guy, but a final boss with a combat knife or a crossbow isn't very intimidating, eh?

Perhaps you underestimate Kefka here, he's the god of all magic, he changed the very fabrication of the planet simply obtaining this power... He's like, Dragonball Z powerful. Kuja destroyed a planet, but Kefka was just toying around during FF6. His goal, wich he knew full well he coukd perform, was to erase existance. Kuja wanted Garland and Terra gone, and be done with it. Ultimecia had the power of Hein, another end all creator-god thing, but she has to split it with other sorceresses.

I'd put Ze/Zeromus in with Sephy. He never displays much power, but he's virtually invincible until the crystal is used on him. And he can control minds. That must be worth something.

You're also underestimating Mateus Palmecia. ALOT. He became the lord of hell, the master of all things evil, and controller of mighty fiends. He wasn't defeated by the weakest hero group. The whole point of their characters was that they became strong and powerful. They started weak and ended mighty.

Next is Xande and CoD. They're definantly in the 'weak' group. Xande was the apprentice of the ultimate sage. And he inherited his... Mortality. The Cloud of Darkness was just darkness. Nothing too special.

Next there's Yu-Yevon and Sin. Y-Y is just a powerful wizard. Nothing more. And sin is a lazer whale. Nothing impressive in comparison to gods, but enough to earn a place between Sephiroth's group and Xande's group along with Vayne and the Undying.

 

[The_Oathkeeper]

Thank you, sir. Thank you. It's been so long since I actually had a debate around here. I was beginning to think that my elitist services were...unneeded.

Kefka is outranked magically by Kuja magically? Ultimecia, maybe a tie, but deinantly not Kuja. Kuja may be a primarily magic using guy, but a final boss with a combat knife or a crossbow isn't very intimidating, eh?

Perhaps you underestimate Kefka here, he's the god of all magic, he changed the very fabrication of the planet simply obtaining this power... He's like, Dragonball Z powerful. Kuja destroyed a planet, but Kefka was just toying around during FF6. His goal, wich he knew full well he coukd perform, was to erase existance. Kuja wanted Garland and Terra gone, and be done with it. Ultimecia had the power of Hein, another end all creator-god thing, but she has to split it with other sorceresses.

I think you overestimate Kefka. He was the god of magic in the FF6 universe, which doesn't seem to give him as much power as Kuja had in his Super Trance. He certainly isn't anywhere near as powerful as Ultimecia...Well, he probably outranks her in her Base Form, but once Time Compression begins to take affect, she becomes inconceivably powerful in terms of magic. Kefka, while a master of the arcane in his own right, has never displayed world-destroying powers on the level of either of those two. Yeah, he's a god, but...really, does that even mean anything in a JRPG anymore? The vast majority of villains either become gods or demi-gods, sometimes halfway through the game. The term "deity" just seems to have lost its meaning...In any case, the fact remains that Kefka hasn't displayed anything that would put him on Kuja/Ultimecia/ExDeath's tier.

You seem to be forgetting that, when the World of Balance was ravaged and became the World of Ruin, that was simply the result of the Warring Triad being thrown out of balance, so to speak. Kefka certainly didn't have the capacity to destroy the world at-will. What we saw was the fullest extent of the Warring Triad's destructive might. He didn't change the fabric of the planet by his own power, in other words. Besides, changing the fabric of the planet=/=destroying the planet. It's easier to rearrange stuff than it is to annihilate it. Kefka ravaged some landscapes and moved some continents around, but Kuja completely wiped out a planet. Yes, Kefka is powerful, but not that powerful. He sure as hell isn't Dragonball Z tier. I don't really think any of the FF villains (except perhaps Chaos) are Dragonball Z tier. Maybe Dragonball tier, but that's as far as I'll go.

Besides, towards the end of the game, Kefka expresses his desire to completely wipe out the entirety of existence. If that was really his goal, he would've destroyed the planet as soon as possible if he had the power to do so. I mean, before you fight him, I believe Kefka goes on a rampage by spamming Light of Judgment on various landscapes. He was pissed, or at least mad enough that he wasn't going to mess around any longer. Furthermore, I think, once Kefka realized that Terra's party outmatched him in "normal" combat, Kefka would've pulled out all the stops and simply destroyed the planet they stood on if what you say about him is true. Light of Judgment (which, again, only seems capable of wiping out cities at a time) appears to be the strongest attack Kefka has readily at his disposal.

I'd put Ze/Zeromus in with Sephy. He never displays much power, but he's virtually invincible until the crystal is used on him. And he can control minds. That must be worth something.

Mmmmehhh. You'd be hard-pressed to find an RPG villain who can't control minds in some way. It's like the "god" thing. It happens so much that it really loses its effect, you know? Besides, Sephiroth seems to have been built up by Square as having an incredibly strong will. I don't think mind control could really be used against him. Though the fact that he can't be touched until the crystal is used on him does complicate things, you're correct in saying that Zeromus never really displays any significant power other than when he survived the Meteo spell...

You're also underestimating Mateus Palmecia. ALOT. He became the lord of hell, the master of all things evil, and controller of mighty fiends. He wasn't defeated by the weakest hero group. The whole point of their characters was that they became strong and powerful. They started weak and ended mighty.

Yeah, Mateus Palmecia did become the lord of hell, the master of all things evil, and controller of mighty fiends...and then he was owned by four teenagers who were completely normal in virtually every way. I think you might be overestimating the heroes in Final Fantasy II. Obviously, they became stronger over the course of their journey, but they became stronger in ordinary ways. They became more skilled with the weapons they used, "leveled up" their magic, etc. Firion, Maria, Guy, and Leon were not enhanced in any way, shape, or form. The only thing that they could do that humans in our own world can't seems to be the magical spells that they used, which pretty much every Final Fantasy party has access to in some way.

Look at it this way. The party in FF1 was empowered by the Crystals, and so was the party in FF3. FF4 had people who drew power from various sources (Cecil had the power of light, Kain was a dragoon, Rydia a powerful summoner, etc.), and FF6 saw people like Terra and Sabin who were proven to be superhuman in various ways. FF7 gave us Cloud, who was enhanced by Mako, and several other warriors who were not only empowered by Materia but also showed themselves to be at least marginally beyond human. The main characters in FF8 were enhanced by GFs, and FF9 at least had people like Zidane (the literal Angel of Death created to wipe out all life on the planet), Vivi, and the clearly-inhuman Amarant. The only parties comparable in strength to the FF2 party were the ones in FF10 and FF12.

Yeah, for all intents and purposes, you'd think the Emperor would be pretty strong. He did conquer hell. However, on that note, he was beaten by four ordinary, nothing-special teenagers. I mean, if I started practicing swordsmanship and bought myself a handgun, I would probably be able to become superior to Firion with hard work and enough years of practice. I don't doubt that they were all masters of combat, but they were normal masters of combat. Emperor Mateus couldn't have been that powerful if they beat him.

Next is Xande and CoD. They're definantly in the 'weak' group. Xande was the apprentice of the ultimate sage. And he inherited his... Mortality. The Cloud of Darkness was just darkness. Nothing too special.

Yeah, I agree with you there. The party in FF3 seems pretty strong, but still, Xande and Cloud of Darkness never really did anything at all. Then again, I guess CoD did beat the FF3 party on one occasion, but...still. It just hasn't shown itself particularly strong. It was never even given a particularly intimidating title like "god of magic" or "god of darkness".

Next there's Yu-Yevon and Sin. Y-Y is just a powerful wizard. Nothing more. And sin is a lazer whale. Nothing impressive in comparison to gods, but enough to earn a place between Sephiroth's group and Xande's group along with Vayne and the Undying.

Well...Sin is big, but that's about it. Faster enemies like Sephiroth could simply evade whatever it threw at him and get inside of it to get to Y-Y.

In other words, my ranking system still stands...Well, now it's more "complete", but still...

God Tier:
Chaos

Upper Tier:
Trance Kuja
TC Ultimecia
Neo-ExDeath

Mid Tier:
Sephiroth
Kefka
Zeromus

Low Tier:
Xande/CoD
Emperor Mateus Palmecia
Vayne

Weak Tier:
Yu Yevon

 

[Red_Mage]

Perhaps I overestimate Kefka a bit. I was going more by "He was a god" and as you say. That has little meaning in JRPGs. Maybe it had a bit more in 1995. But yeah, I'd say Kefka=Sephiroth overall. But the thing is... Time compression never really took much effect. If Squall and co., who showed little plot based power outside of GFs managed to stop Ultimecia. Even if it did end pretty trippy-like.

So Kefka pulled a stereotypical homo and gave the earth a much needed remodeling with the help od statues. The fact remains that he was the first who did it. Yeah, he was pissed, but I think if he was given the proper chance, he could've done so much more. Maybe that's the FFVI fanboyism speaking.

Yeah.... Mindcontrol ain't much in a JRPG anymore.

Well, the FF2 party was an NES party. The crystals weren't around, so they got what little they could get. I mean, they possessed the ultimate magic, something so feared by old sages of great power they locked it behing a seal of pure magic. Ultimate magic also lost a bit of credibility... But it's gotta be worth something. Enough to kill somethinp powerful.

Firion would win with Ultima level 25.

DBZ Tier:
Chaos

Devil May Cry Tier:
Trance Kuja
TC Ultimecia
Neo-ExDeath
Warring Triad Kefka

Generic JRPG Tier:
Sephiroth
Mateus Palmecia
Zeromus

Futuristic FPS Tier:
Xande/CoD
Vayne

Particularly non-broken anime Tier:
Yu Yevon

 

[The_Oathkeeper]

Perhaps I overestimate Kefka a bit. I was going more by "He was a god" and as you say. That has little meaning in JRPGs. Maybe it had a bit more in 1995. But yeah, I'd say Kefka=Sephiroth overall. But the thing is... Time compression never really took much effect. If Squall and co., who showed little plot based power outside of GFs managed to stop Ultimecia. Even if it did end pretty trippy-like.

Time Compression did take effect, but it didn't completely take effect. Had Ultimecia completed Time Compression, she probably would've been a genuine death god with complete control over the laws of physics. However, it was stopped before she got that far. She had still absorbed enough of the universe to put her on the Devil May Cry tier, but no more than that. Besides, it's stated quite clearly within the game that Squall and co. are "destined" to beat Ultimecia. I know it's lame and all, but Fate is a very active force in the FF8 universe. If Fate says something will happen, it's going to happen. The circumstances of the battle were probably tipped in the favor of Squall's party. Without this advantage, then yes, Squall and co. probably would've lost the battle considering they haven't really shown that much storyline power. Though, even if that weren't the case, I don't see how moving Ultimecia down moves Kefka up. He's still on even footing with Sephiroth, more or less.

So Kefka pulled a stereotypical homo and gave the earth a much needed remodeling with the help od statues. The fact remains that he was the first who did it. Yeah, he was pissed, but I think if he was given the proper chance, he could've done so much more. Maybe that's the FFVI fanboyism speaking.

Right. He gave the planet a remodeling. Yeah, he was the first Final Fantasy villain who accomplished something like that, but he still didn't show the power to destroy the planet...at least not instantaneously, anyway. Yeah, if given enough time, Kefka could've gradually destroyed the planet little-by-little with the Light of Judgment. Even so, he never displayed the capacity to destroy a planet in one swift assault. Light of Judgment destroyed a city or two at a time, if I remember correctly. In terms of raw power output, Kefka is still very impressive, but he did have the proper chance to destroy the world. He spent god-knows-how-long monologuing to the heroes about how he planned to wipe out all of existence (again, typical JRPG affair). At any given moment, he could've simply made the planet kersplode if he actually had the power to do so. Yeah, if the party didn't exist, he would've ended up offing the planet, but it would've been a very slow process, given that he would have had to do it city-by-city.

Yeah.... Mindcontrol ain't much in a JRPG anymore.

I guess there are SOME villains who can't do it, but...really, most villains can either possess, corrupt, or outright control the minds of other people in some way.

Well, the FF2 party was an NES party. The crystals weren't around, so they got what little they could get. I mean, they possessed the ultimate magic, something so feared by old sages of great power they locked it behing a seal of pure magic. Ultimate magic also lost a bit of credibility... But it's gotta be worth something. Enough to kill somethinp powerful.

I know it was an NES party, but the fact remains, they weren't stated to have any supernatural abilities outside of their magical spells...which seemed quite commonplace in that universe, anyway, considering the Tomes could be purchased by anybody in any store. Ultima probably had some considerable power, I have to admit. In any game where it has a storyline role, Ultima is portrayed as being incredibly strong. However, it was the only thing they had that could be seen as in any way "special". Plus, only one party member could actually have access to Ultima (I'm guessing it was Firion, given his status as main character). That basically means that Emperor Mateus was up against three normal teenagers and one normal teenager with a single powerful attack. Still not very impressive when compared to the other parties we've seen.

Firion would win with Ultima level 25.

You can level up your spells to 25 in that game...? Wow, I never got past 16...I guess that goes to show how much effort I put into figuring out the mechanics.

DBZ Tier:
Chaos

Devil May Cry Tier:
Trance Kuja
TC Ultimecia
Neo-ExDeath
Warring Triad Kefka

Generic JRPG Tier:
Sephiroth
Mateus Palmecia
Zeromus

Futuristic FPS Tier:
Xande/CoD
Vayne

Particularly non-broken anime Tier:
Yu Yevon

I still think that Mateus Palmecia and Kefka should both be moved down a tier. I guess I'd concede to Pamecia being in the Generic JRPG Tier, but Kefka really doesn't deserve to be on the Devil May Cry tier. I suppose he does in terms of overall power output because of Light of Judgment, but he's really no stronger than Sephiroth when it comes to general skill/combat abilities. I don't really think you understand the scope we're dealing with. Kefka is very powerful, but he's up against people who can effortlessly destroy entire planets. ExDeath controlled the Void, which had the potential to wipe out the whole universe. The people on that tier are ridiculously strong. Kefka is just "very strong". His strength just hasn't reached that level.

Oh, and I'm going to rename the DBZ Tier the Cthulhu Tier. I mean, seriously...

Tell me that doesn't look like something from H.P. Lovecraft.