Guys, Girls and Gender roles

[Guernsey]

I had been wondering for a little while for the difference between guys and girls. I learned from my dad and various while albiet with a few physical differences, the real difference between guys and girls is in their emotions. Girls are more social and emotional while guys are more stoic and logical but from what I am seeing on t.v., reading from books and real life experiences I keep seeing otherwise. I guess I am just generalizing some matters on the whole topic but I see that some people are toying with gender roles and values and challening long held ideas about guys and girls but me well, I do believe that the real difference between guys and girls is in the way they do things. Any thoughts or opinions on this?

 

[Donald Trump]

while guys are more stoic and logical

ohhhh Eryth and Angelus are going to rip you apart.
Men and women are equal when it comes to intelligence and reasoning capabilities. In the 19th century it was the conventional wisdom that men were smarter, more logical and rational and even 'better' than women. But thankfully society has moved on. As you said, it's a generalisation, which are highly inaccurate and pointless, as generalisations aren't indicative of a decent percentage of the group you are stereotyping.

However women do have more emotional receptors than men, women have 20 and men have 5. Also women are more likely to over analyse things. But, some men over analyse things more than women.
There are obvious physical differences between guys and girls, which has lead to social conditioning. Boys when growing up play sport, girls are given barbies to play with.
The media and toy companies reinforce this message that girls should be concerned with their appearance and that they should be motherly. Girls get baby toys that they have to look after, and on TV shows for children the girls are always the gentle ones; looking after their younger siblings or telling the guys to stop fighting. It reinforces the idea that they should be gentle and kind etc.
Also look at the shows marketed for girls, they get shitty shows like bratz or shitty shows about ponies and unicorns. Guys get Dragon Ball Z.

I suppose that there are fundamental differences between men and women that shape the roles that they have. But to what extent is impossible to tell, as society has forced these roles on them and reinforces them through social conditioning.
Furthermore individual people respond differently, there are tomboys and effeminate guys. The only way to describe the differences between the genders would be to contrast stereotypes, which are inaccurate.

 

[Erythritol]

There are obvious physical differences between males and females. However, to say there are intellectual differences is absolutely absurd. Guys are more logical and stoic my ass. You are clearly generalizing and stereotyping. With the exception of the obvious hormonal differences in males and females, I think that the way each gender acts socially is due to social conditioning. Males and females are each raised to behave a certain way. Boys are taught that they can become an astronaut or the president of the country; girls have the Disney Princesses as role models. With such contrasting upbringings, is it any wonder that men and women act differently? It's not all negative, however. I think that society is slowly taking a step in the right direction. Using Disney Princesses again as an example, take a look at the progress society has made with women's roles in the last 70 years or so. Snow White was completely helpless and frail. Sleeping Beauty was equally helpless and spent her time asleep for most of the movie. Cinderella also was very passive about her dismal fate (as a housecleaner, no less). Now look at some of the more recent Disney princesses. Jasmine is still somewhat helpless, but is at least fiesty and attempts to take her fate into her own hands. Mulan rejects the path of a demure bride and instead cross-dresses and leads the entire Chinese imperial army to victory. I'd say those are some much better role models.

But I wouldn't hold celebrations just yet. Clearly there are people who still believe that men are more logical and rational. We still live in a culture that practically focused more on a presidential candidate's gender than on her political stances. We also still live in a culture where there are far fewer top women executives than male executives, and the few females that there are tend to make less money than their male counterparts.

So to sum this up, I believe you're stereotyping, and that kind of crap just leads to ignorance and reinforced gender roles. The real difference between the sexes is that, well, one has a penis and one has a vagina. The end.

 

[625 Loveless]

i was just thinking about this a few hours ago... I never understand girls in relationships, or at least in my experiences they all seem to just find another guy and ditch me. It leaves me to assume things about myself then i get a low self esteem. girls seem like they're careless? i've had girls cry when i told them i didnt want to talk to them anymore, then the next thing you know... they're the ones who dump me and never talk to me again. girls are full of shit.

i've noticed through my friends that... when they get into break ups they're depressed as hell and can't get over that girl. then when i see the girl they're exactly the same, as they were when they were going out with my guy friend. its like the break up had no effect. i think girls are full of themselves? or once they get a shot at something big they'll take it. like if a new boy starts talking to them, they will ditch the old boy, and i couldn't see a guy doing that to a girl. most guys at least.

Eryth just got me thinking, girls watch princess movies... and if those are their role models then when they get older they like to have a high status...so when they can hang out with more guys they'll take it. they dont care if it hurts their boyfriend. girls just want to be glamorous or... KNOWN... or what i mean is acknowledged. they want all the attention, you rarely see shy girls as you do shy guys, mainly because girls want to be noticed and thats not really a guys motive. you never see girls going after guys, its the other way around. guys going for girls. girls want to be noticed.

 

[Morrigan]

You know,people move on and I support that in both girls and guys.They won't just cry over someone that dumped them for the rest of their lives.That's how life is.You get into relationships to gain experience not get married.

I think the role the woman today plays is reversed.She's independent financially and emotionally.She can support herself and devotes herself entirely to her job,choosing the path of career rather than family.The same goes with men,they're not looking anymore for a good wife to marry,they prefer having an adventurous and comfortable life.

In a family both parents work and raise their children,not the wife alone like it used to.I'm pretty positive that things have evolved towards the best resulting the equality of both genders but sometimes it has negative effects as well.Today you see many obsessed feminists because there are still obsessed men who don't admit that women are equal to them something that angers them(women) and turns the things the way they are today.And no,I'm not accusing men.It's both genders' fault,men because they don't realize that women can be independent,women because they think too highly of themselves(not all of them) and get offended by anything and then act like b*tches.

 

[Donald Trump]

In a family both parents work and raise their children,not the wife alone like it used to.I'm pretty positive that things have evolved towards the best resulting the equality of both genders but sometimes it has negative effects as well.Today you see many obsessed feminists because there are still obsessed men who don't admit that women are equal to them something that angers them(women) and turns the things the way they are today.And no,I'm not accusing men.It's both genders' fault,men because they don't realize that women can be independent,women because they think too highly of themselves(not all of them) and get offended by anything and then act like b*tches.

It's not just women who can act like that, men are equally capable of being highly strung and acting like bitches.
It's still harder for women, they have to overcome prejudice to do well, men don't have that problem. Also there is still an expectation that women should stay at home and raise children. It's very hard for a women to be successful at her job and still be a good mother. I'm not saying it can't be done, but it's a compromise really.

Eryth just got me thinking, girls watch princess movies... and if those are their role models then when they get older they like to have a high status...so when they can hang out with more guys they'll take it. they dont care if it hurts their boyfriend. girls just want to be glamorous or... KNOWN... or what i mean is acknowledged. they want all the attention, you rarely see shy girls as you do shy guys, mainly because girls want to be noticed and thats not really a guys motive. you never see girls going after guys, its the other way around. guys going for girls. girls want to be noticed.

That's because it's normally guys that ask out girls, I've been asked out by two girls, and I've asked out many more than that. Everyone likes to be noticed, also it's hard to ignore attractive people, the girls that have the most attention are normally the hawt wimminz, not the ugly ones.
There are plently of shy girls as well as shy guys.
I don't think you've really understood the concept of social conditioning, watching movies with princesses as the protagonists does not turn little girls into sluts.

and i couldn't see a guy doing that to a girl. most guys at least.

Sadly I know I've been guilty of that, and so have a lot of guys. When you're in a relationship with a chick, have you never thought of any other girl; her hot sister with big tits? Her friend witht he great ass?
Her MILF mother?
When you've gotten drunk at a party or sometimes when you weren't drunk, you just couldn't resist?
Guys are much worse than girls, most of us always want sex. It's rather unfair to blame women.

i've noticed through my friends that... when they get into break ups they're depressed as hell and can't get over that girl. then when i see the girl they're exactly the same, as they were when they were going out with my guy friend

I've been dumped once or twice, and I felt gutted, did I cry my eyes out? No I didn't act differently, people don't like to show pain, as it's associated with weakness.
It's seems you have some bad times with girls, or maybe you've just been dumped. Regardless, they aren't evil creatures who just like to inflict pain on others.

 

[625 Loveless]

Sadly I know I've been guilty of that, and so have a lot of guys. When you're in a relationship with a chick, have you never thought of any other girl; her hot sister with big tits? Her friend witht he great ass?
Her MILF mother?
When you've gotten drunk at a party or sometimes when you weren't drunk, you just couldn't resist?
Guys are much worse than girls, most of us always want sex. It's rather unfair to blame women.

I laughed so hard at that MILF mother comment with that smiley face.

I know what you mean but, well for example I was in love with this girl (as she was in love with me). While I was in love with her, I was approached by a couple of girls at different occasions at parties who were unbelievably hot and I was flattered they talked to me. I said no to them because I was in love with this girl, who is... not the hottest but thats not what I am going for. The girl i thought I was in love with ended by stabbing me in the back and lol...how does that happen. So maybe only bad things happen to good people. ? thats my story.

 

[Erythritol]

I laughed so hard at that MILF mother comment with that smiley face.

I know what you mean but, well for example I was in love with this girl (as she was in love with me). While I was in love with her, I was approached by a couple of girls at different occasions at parties who were unbelievably hot and I was flattered they talked to me. I said no to them because I was in love with this girl, who is... not the hottest but thats not what I am going for. The girl i thought I was in love with ended by stabbing me in the back and lol...how does that happen. So maybe only bad things happen to good people. ? thats my story.

Yes, and it's COMPLETELY logical to base your opinion of an entire gender based on the actions of a few individuals. Basically everything you have said in this and previous posts in this thread is completely ridiculous. Making sweeping generalizations about the female sex based on how a few girls have acted towards you or your friends is ignorant. Basically, you sound like a teenager bawwing because some chick dumped you. Girls are no worse than guys when it comes to using people or breaking hearts. And believe you me, guys can be JUST as bitchy and passive aggressive as girls.

 

[Crazee Dayzee]

Most of the differences that have developed between men and women are probably due to gender expectations and how boys are often raised differently than girls.

There are obvious physical differences between men and women. However, it's true that women tend to be more in touch with their emotions than men, and when emotionally provoked have more activity going on in their brains; they're affected in nine areas, while men are only affected in two.

I think that if it weren't for the generations of gender expectations, that men and women wouldn't be all that different. There are still clear differences, but now that women have gained rights and are breaking away from tradition, the line between men and women is disappearing.

One thing that really pisses me off is gender roles during sex. I hope to see that completely diminish one day.

 

[625 Loveless]

Yes, and it's COMPLETELY logical to base your opinion of an entire gender based on the actions of a few individuals. Basically everything you have said in this and previous posts in this thread is completely ridiculous. Making sweeping generalizations about the female sex based on how a few girls have acted towards you or your friends is ignorant. Basically, you sound like a teenager bawwing because some chick dumped you. Girls are no worse than guys when it comes to using people or breaking hearts. And believe you me, guys can be JUST as bitchy and passive aggressive as girls.

not all girls are like the few that i mentioned because they haven't experienced what those girls whom i mentioned have. i really don't know how to explain this but...girls are greedy, they will take whatever they can get if they get the opportunity. There was this one girl I knew who was shy and not that pretty, once she dated a well known / popular or w/e guy she began to be full of herself. and at the same time, all my friends would gag when someone brought her name up because they didn't think she was pretty at all.

I am not saying girls are worse than guys, I know that guys, or at least the larger majority that i know go mainly for looks but also a good personality. guys aren't all perfect, but guys are raised differently. they're raised in sports and dads are tougher on their boys than their girls. guys are disciplined more.

 

[Rezonate]

This thread..............is just asking for trouble. I agree that it is the way they are brought up differently. That's all I will say on the subject.

 

[Crazee Dayzee]

not all girls are like the few that i mentioned because they haven't experienced what those girls whom i mentioned have. i really don't know how to explain this but...girls are greedy, they will take whatever they can get if they get the opportunity. There was this one girl I knew who was shy and not that pretty, once she dated a well known / popular or w/e guy she began to be full of herself. and at the same time, all my friends would gag when someone brought her name up because they didn't think she was pretty at all.

... And how would men differ? That's just ignorant. You're still generalizing.

I am not saying girls are worse than guys, I know that guys, or at least the larger majority that i know go mainly for looks but also a good personality. guys aren't all perfect, but guys are raised differently. they're raised in sports and dads are tougher on their boys than their girls. guys are disciplined more.

Disciplined more? I can agree that people are often easier on their girls than their boys, but how would that relate to what you're saying about girls being "greedy" and "full of themselves"? I can't see a correlation, because guys are just as full of themselves as girls are.

 

[625 Loveless]

I am not going to go all into it, I am bad at explaining things but I know I am right. Besides there will be people who disagree with me and get angry over it. I believe I am right because I socialize a lot with many different people and I figure these things out from experiences.

... And how would men differ? That's just ignorant. You're still generalizing.



Disciplined more? I can agree that people are often easier on their girls than their boys, but how would that relate to what you're saying about girls being "greedy" and "full of themselves"? I can't see a correlation, because guys are just as full of themselves as girls are.

and uhm.. discipline relates to greed because those who're disciplined know that they have to earn things. Not all girls are full of themselves, i know that dorky girls usually aren't but the really pretty ones are usually full of themselves. I have like 20 occasions i could talk about where i've noticed these things.

 

[Moogles]

and uhm.. discipline relates to greed because those who're disciplined know that they have to earn things. Not all girls are full of themselves, i know that dorky girls usually aren't but the really pretty ones are usually full of themselves. I have like 20 occasions i could talk about where i've noticed these things.

20 whole occasions? Let's write this baby up as fact, then. If there were only 15 different occasions, I'd have some questions...but 20? Hot damn!

It's possible to be both disciplined and greedy. I don't believe the two are all that closely related. Disciplined people obey rules presented by those in authority, and behave in accordance with their wishes. Greedy people may very well be aware that they have to earn things. They'll just keep taking.

Saying that attractive girls are "full of themselves" is a gross generalization. I've come across more dudes who act like their shit doesn't stink than I have girls who act that way. People as a whole just seem to be more into themselves nowadays. I wouldn't say girls stand out any more than guys in that sense.

 

[Crazee Dayzee]

I am not going to go all into it, I am bad at explaining things but I know I am right. Besides there will be people who disagree with me and get angry over it. I believe I am right because I socialize a lot with many different people and I figure these things out from experiences.

It's not proven, and most people completely disagree with that anyway, because it's a huge ignorant generalization that sounds awfully shallow-minded and resentful.

 

[625 Loveless]

hmm... wow i don't understand why you guys have to bash me over this, it's not like i am even talking about you guys. i figured we were going to debate in this thread but i guess i was wrong.

and i said pretty girls are usually full of themselves, i wasn't saying they all were. i said "i don't really know how to explain this", basically what i mean is i don't feel like writing a couple paragraphs just for a smart alac to come along and bash me. this is fucking pathetic, just a bunch of online smart asses.

 

[Crazee Dayzee]

i said "i don't really know how to explain this", basically what i mean is i don't feel like writing a couple paragraphs just for a smart alac to come along and bash me.

So you think you can just come along and say you're right about a touchy subject (making generalizations no less) without even explaining it properly, and not expect people to disagree? It doesn't make it any better when you say "most," either, because earlier you said that "girls are in for temselves," and if that's not an attempt to save yourself, it still is a generalization because it's basically implying that whenever you see a pretty girl you feel that they're most likely bad people, but that's off the topic anyway.

i figured we were going to debate in this thread but i guess i was wrong.

Debate, yes. Make assumptions, no.

this is fucking pathetic, just a bunch of online smart asses.

I'm really hurt; now let me go stab my e-self with an e-knife.

 

[Morrigan]

People are debating here supporting their gender not their real opinions.They are greedy women as they are greedy men.And we're not talking about school life people are still immature but someone doesn't seem to get it.I agree that shy girls are much more reserved because they're insecure but doesn't the same happen to guys.Think about it,if men hadn't stolen the chance to rule in the old times and make rules such as the women are weaker,because that's what they wanted to believe,and there would be equality.

If we all start talking about experience this'll turn into a drama.

 

[Davey Gaga]

I know of the gender differences but, to be honest, I really don't see, or otherwise know about, any form of gender discrimination occurring anywhere, anymore. The only time I hear of it being an issue is when someone decides to complain about it because they've had nothing better to do at that present moment.

Anyway, as much as I'm all for equality between the sexes an' shit, it's just a simple fact that guys and girls tend to act differently - most girls tend to act more emotional and frail, whereas most guys tend to be much more tough or athletic. Now don't bother taking that out of context because I can't put it any more plainly that it's not all people in a particular gender, it's just a blatant difference in a bloody large majority. It's not a bad difference by any means at all - it's just been there since forever and it's likely to be there forever. Stereotypes don't just evolve out of nowhere.

As a final note (for now, anyway), I'm all for feminism, too. However, what I cannae stand is when some women take it further and want to be, or already think that they are, better than the men. I remember one particular girl (and I do realise this must be, like, 1 in a 1000000) who shoved into the queue in the dinner hall a few months ago and I, being a prefect, caught her arm and told her to go to the back of the queue. She said, exactly, "you can't touch me, I'm a girl! Does feminism mean NOTHING to you!?"

That doesn't even make SENSE and clearly she had no idea about it herself. I realise this problem is hardly rife but it annoys me that it happens at all. Equality: go for it, but don't shoot yourself in the foot and try to turn it around.

 

[Moogles]

hmm... wow i don't understand why you guys have to bash me over this, it's not like i am even talking about you guys. i figured we were going to debate in this thread but i guess i was wrong.

People are disagreeing with you--not bashing you. Our comments encourage debate...if you can refute what we've said.

and i said pretty girls are usually full of themselves, i wasn't saying they all were. i said "i don't really know how to explain this", basically what i mean is i don't feel like writing a couple paragraphs just for a smart alac to come along and bash me.

So you're looking for a debate, yet you aren't willing to fully express your thoughts? If you can't explain what you mean, you leave your words solely up to our interpretation.

this is fucking pathetic, just a bunch of online smart asses.

Now, now, sir. All you've encountered are a few people who don't share your thinking on the topic. Keep it respectful.