FFVII and both FFX1 and 2 are plot-related???

[Dean Winchester]

It seems that the stories of both FFVII and FFX are plot related due to the fact that the little kid that we see in both FFX and FFX-2 is in reality the founder of the ShinRa Family. If we analyze this, it makes sense. If you talk to the ShinRa Kid during one of your journeys in FFX-2, he makes a comment in which he refers to “pyreflies” as a “spiritual energy” that could be used as a great source of energy like it was done with VEGNAGUN. If you have played FFX-2, you should know that VEGNAGUN’s main source of energy was indeed the pyreflies that could be found inside the planet itself or wandering around places were you could find the “spirits of the dead”, much like The Unsent from FFX.

The Shinra Kid’s quotes hold quite a great resemblance to the Hojo’s words when he expressed himself about the use of the Lifestream. Also, I read that in the Final Fantasy X and FF-X2 Ultimania Guidebooks, the producers of FFX revealed that both FFX and FFVII share a plot-related connection, in which the ShinRa Corp from FFVII was founded by the descendants of Shinra of the Gullwings.


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[Howl]

I think it as just a rip.
X-2 wasn't a very creative game. =x

 

[Rydia]

Uh, that's kind of awkward. None of the Final Fantasy games are supposed to be related to each other. I think that was just square giving homage to FFVII. To bad they couldn't be more subtle.

 

[Aztec Triogal]

On one hand you're obviously right, they're related. But all Final Fantasy games are related slightly. They both talk about spiritual energy being a part of the planet and part of us. It's been a theme since the first Final Fantasy when you had to rejuevinate the crystals you carry with the power of the planet. They've always talked about that.

However, if you the slightest inclination that it's a copycat plot (which I realize you didn't say) then I'd have to disagree. Granted Vegnagun and the Sister Ray do share similarities but they're not exactly the same. They're both powerful weapons that are fueled by the most powerful stuff the world has to offer. That's the end of the similarity. As for the name, that's just stupid. I don't know why they did it. That little shit of a kid really doesn't even deserve that name, even if they do pronounce it differently.

 

[Dean Winchester]

On one hand you're obviously right, they're related. But all Final Fantasy games are related slightly. They both talk about spiritual energy being a part of the planet and part of us. It's been a theme since the first Final Fantasy when you had to rejuevinate the crystals you carry with the power of the planet. They've always talked about that.

However, if you the slightest inclination that it's a copycat plot (which I realize you didn't say) then I'd have to disagree. Granted Vegnagun and the Sister Ray do share similarities but they're not exactly the same. They're both powerful weapons that are fueled by the most powerful stuff the world has to offer. That's the end of the similarity. As for the name, that's just stupid. I don't know why they did it. That little shit of a kid really doesn't even deserve that name, even if they do pronounce it differently.

Then why the producers would say that they were somehow plot-related?
I know that I mustn't believe everything I read but, hey, I read about this stuff at different sites and I began to doubt. Sure thing that Shinra Kid couldn't be the founder of the "Shinra" Family, but what if it's true?

It's like that wierd Ultimacia/Rinoa theory. Many said that they were the same person until the Big Guys of Japan answered the question quite easily and without problems like this: "They aren't the same person, simple as that...."

 

[Rydia]

And I guess Tidus and Yuna are Cloud's grandparents?

I wonder what happened to all those temples in VII's world... And why do they no longer call it Spira?

 

[Aztec Triogal]

Well I said you were right that they probably some of the themes for each story from the same general concepts... but I really don't think Shinra the boy is the founder of Shinra the company. I don't think it's true at all... but I will give you this: I like the "void" theory. The one that kinda explains why Zidane knows Cloud and how Cloud ends up in Ivalice for Tactics. It's not true. I don't believe it for a second... but it is fun to think about.

If Shinra the kid did go through the void to way before Shinra Power Company was founded, he could have grown into becoming its founder. NOt only was he very adept in technology, he also had dealt with Vegnagun and the concept of harvesting life energy before, which is how Shinra (the company) made it's money. Like I said, I don't think it's true... but it's fun to think about. At least there is some plausibility on a purely hypothetical level.

Also Rydia, I didn't understand your post... that's why I didn't reply to it. Sorry.

 

[Dean Winchester]

And I guess Tidus and Yuna are Cloud's grandparents?

I wonder what happened to all those temples in VII's world... And why do they no longer call it Spira?

If you rememeber well, the continents of the modern times weren't always called as we know them. Not even the continents were the same, there was a time in which all the continents were part of a much bigger super continent called "Pangea" some 225 million years ago. 200 million years ago, the continent began to split and from time to time it changed, creating the other ancient continents know as Laurasia and Gondwana Land (200 million years ago), and then a lot more time passed leaving the continents as we know them today (Africa, America, Asia, Australia, Antarctica...etc....)

A thousand years passed since Zanarkand was destroyed by Sin, what if the history of FFVII and the name of the known world was changed after some more years ago?

What if they used part of the history of the world for both FFX and FFVII?


PS: Ryndia, would you like to add some more info to your post next time? Maybe that's why we couldn't understand it completely....

 

[Aztec Triogal]

Pssst... you had better luck with the void theory. Go with that instead, man. Cause someone's going to mention that even though little boys can live for a long long time (85 years), 200 million years might be a little longer than the average life expectancy for a 12 year old, even if he was unsent.

 

[Dean Winchester]

Pssst... you had better luck with the void theory. Go with that instead, man. Cause someone's going to mention that even though little boys can live for a long long time (85 years), 200 million years might be a little longer than the average life expectancy for a 12 year old, even if he was unsent.

in which the ShinRa Corp from FFVII was founded by the descendants of Shinra of the Gullwings.

Quite funny though since I mentioned that ShinRa Corp was supposedly founded by Shinra's descendants, not by Shinra himself . About the history of the continents, that was just a small info that I used when I tried to answer Ryndia's question.

Let's say that something happened in the years between FFX and FFVII, something so great that could change the world itself, forcing humans to regroup themselves at different parts of the world, since Spira was only a portion of FFX's known world. (main reason why Yevon created Sin, in order to avoid spirans from using the technology in order to travel across the sea)

 

[Rydia]

If you rememeber well, the continents of the modern times weren't always called as we know them. Not even the continents were the same, there was a time in which all the continents were part of a much bigger super continent called "Pangea" some 225 million years ago. 200 million years ago, the continent began to split and from time to time it changed, creating the other ancient continents know as Laurasia and Gondwana Land (200 million years ago), and then a lot more time passed leaving the continents as we know them today (Africa, America, Asia, Australia, Antarctica...etc....)

A thousand years passed since Zanarkand was destroyed by Sin, what if the history of FFVII and the name of the known world was changed after some more years ago?

What if they used part of the history of the world for both FFX and FFVII?


PS: Ryndia, would you like to add some more info to your post next time? Maybe that's why we couldn't understand it completely....

Yeah, I was being sarcastic and kind of making fun of the idea of X and VII being related. But reading over it I must have been half asleep when I posted that.

 

[Dean Winchester]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aztec Triogal
Pssst... you had better luck with the void theory. Go with that instead, man. Cause someone's going to mention that even though little boys can live for a long long time (85 years), 200 million years might be a little longer than the average life expectancy for a 12 year old, even if he was unsent.

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Originally Posted by Squall True Lionheart
in which the ShinRa Corp from FFVII was founded by the descendants of Shinra of the Gullwings.

Quite funny though since I mentioned that ShinRa Corp was supposedly founded by Shinra's descendants, not by Shinra himself . About the history of the continents, that was just a small info that I used when I tried to answer Ryndia's question.

Let's say that something happened in the years between FFX and FFVII, something so great that could change the world itself, forcing humans to regroup themselves at different parts of the world, since Spira was only a portion of FFX's known world. (main reason why Yevon created Sin, in order to avoid spirans from using the technology in order to travel across the sea)

That's why I posted this, in order to answer Aztec's post. No preblem, we didn't knew you were being sarcastic

 

[Aztec Triogal]

Quite funny though since I mentioned that ShinRa Corp was supposedly founded by Shinra's descendants, not by Shinra himself .

Lol So now you want me to actually read the topics, huh? haha Fine, you got me on that one. I like this discussion and bravo to the point made about the ships. I'm not sure if the Spira we saw was only a portion of the whole world or not... but as you can tell with the Omega ruins and Baaj Temple, there are a lot of land masses that were forgotten.

 

[Dean Winchester]

Lol So now you want me to actually read the topics, huh? haha Fine, you got me on that one.

Nah your posts are quite interesting, and it really made me want to post about this wierd idea....lol

I like this discussion and bravo to the point made about the ships. I'm not sure if the Spira we saw was only a portion of the whole world or not... but as you can tell with the Omega ruins and Baaj Temple, there are a lot of land masses that were forgotten.

Exactly, lots of temples and ruins that were once highly important by humanity were long since forgotten, like this Omega Ruins and the Baaj Temple. The Baaj Temple was known by a small amount of people, the Al-Bheds and some spirans (is that how you spell it?)

Since it could be possible that some important event happened that forced part Spira's main population to migrate to another location that was currently unknown. What if the Ronso tribes and many other species were lost in the process?

 

[Rydia]

Pssst... you had better luck with the void theory. Go with that instead, man. Cause someone's going to mention that even though little boys can live for a long long time (85 years), 200 million years might be a little longer than the average life expectancy for a 12 year old, even if he was unsent.

Ah so it's like Star Wars where everything can be explained with "The Force". In Final Fantasy it's "The Void"

-Where did Jenova come from? The void
-Where did all those moon monsters go after the end of VIII? The void
-What the hell is Quina? A creature from the void.
-Where were Yuffie and Vincent in the FMVs? In the void
-What was Ultimecia's motive? To open the void.
-Where do all the FF women take care of their feminine needs? In the void.

 

[Aztec Triogal]

HAHAHA Sorry, I misread the Ultimecia one. I thought it read "Where was Ultimecia's motive? In the void." Hahahahaa! That's about right. "Where was the plot in FFVIII? In the void." "Where was Squall's personality? In the void." HAHAHA I could go all day. This is fun.

 

[Rydia]

HAHAHA Sorry, I misread the Ultimecia one. I thought it read "Where was Ultimecia's motive? In the void." Hahahahaa! That's about right. "Where was the plot in FFVIII? In the void." "Where was Squall's personality? In the void." HAHAHA I could go all day. This is fun.

LOL! True! True! I should have put "Where was Ultimecia's motive?"

This should so be a topic in the Final Fantasy Fun forum.

 

[Saix]

Admittedly, I've not made such comparisons. The only things I've noticed some of the games have in common is:

FFIX
Zidane enters the weapon shop in Lindblum, and walks to the far wall. He identifies a large weapon, saying he remembers someone with spikey hair using a "sword like this." Obviously a reference to Cloud.

FFX
In Luca, the monument-type piece towards the other side of Luca (near the M'ihen Highroad) greatly resembles Alexandria Castle. Though, mainly because of the big-ass sword sticking out.

I can't remember where I read about these, but I can't help but notice them whenever I play through the games now. I highly doubt these are there to create a connection between the worlds. They're just... too different.