Helena_lou
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erm im addicted to sex and i was looking at porn at 9.
Drugs your views?
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erm im addicted to sex and i was looking at porn at 9.
OmniscientOnus
Blue Mage
To Saix and people like him who would quote resources like NIDA in an unbiased community forum,
To quote an organization like NIDA to prove that drugs are bad for you would be like going to Marlboro and asking for their take on cigarettes. You have to take into consideration the bias that happens from an organization that is involved with banning the substance to begin with. The only reliable facts that can come out of tests about things like marijuana addiction are from double blind studies conducted by completely unbiased parties. Considering NIDA is a national organization, and the government is more than directly involved in marijuana's ban, taking their word for it is... well, just not well thought out.
Truth be told, their are no studies confirming that marijuana is addictive. But, on the same token, there are no studies proving that it is not addictive. The best answer that we have to date is that marijuana can cause a person to want to indulge in the experience again, and that, especially with prolonged, heavy use, can cause the user to suffer mild psychological withdrawal symptoms when they no longer use.
On the other hand, I get the same withdrawal symptoms when I haven't bathed in over day or so. I'm not sure I would exactly claim that I'm addicted to showers, and I'm positive that no one who wished to be taken seriously would claim that bathing is addicting. Fact is, if you get right down to it, and want to be childish about it, anything can be addicting. But, if you choose to take that route, you might as well just hold rallies against sex, music, eating, breathing, and all other addictive activities... including the rallying against things that are addictive, which would lead you to be a hypocrite.
What I'm getting at is that over the thousands of years that marijuana has been used (for various purposes), not one single report of addiction has arose. The mild withdrawal symptoms usually occur in people who stopped abruptly after prolonged periods of heavy using, and the majority of those symptoms can be linked to many casual activities that release endorphins into the brain, like exercise, to bring a less demeaning example into the subject. It is a proven fact that people who exercise regularly often suffer withdrawal symptoms when they stop. I wouldn't call that addiction, though technically it fits the bill. Basically, you have to decide where to draw the line on what you call addicting. As I stated earlier, if you want to act childish about the matter and say that things like bathing and exercising are technically "addicting" then you have more than every right to call marijuana addicting. However, if that is the case I feel that I speak for all of us by saying please don't post in this topic anymore because you're wasting our time. If you'd like to lighten up on the addiction idea because you can understand how calling exercising addicting takes away from the overall purpose of the debate, then by all means continue on with us. If you think that I'm wrong about the severity of marijuana "addiction", then by all means prove me wrong. But please do so with an unbiased (preferably double blind survey) perspective on the topic. Surely with all of the studies that have been done this isn't an unfair request.
To continue on with the debate, I would like to first state that those of you who say that you don't do drugs, but you do drink and smoke, you are clearly contradicting yourselves. I can understand separating narcotics and prescription drugs into two different categories that both classify as "drugs", but to separate nicotine, alcohol, or even caffeine, is just making up your own rules.
For those of you who would choose to provide that your reasoning is that nicotine and alcohol are not "hard" drugs, such as marijuana, please do a little more research. Both nicotine and alcohol are much more toxic to the body than marijuana. The studies that would dare shame marijuana by saying that smoking a joint is approximately the equivalent of smoking 5-10 cigarettes (depending on the particular source at hand) are very misleading. Indeed in ways they are similar, but when you consider the fact that marijuana is typically in a very pure form, while tobacco is always mixed with external carcinogens such as tar, nicotine, and even trace amounts of cyanide, how can you even compare the two together? Tobacco in it's pure state, while not exactly good for you, would provide a fair basis of comparison. But to compare the toxin leaden wasteland of death and disease also known as the cigarette (yes, I do smoke by the way) with the pure and if anything honed plant known as marijuana is to do nothing less than make a mockery of the scientific community.
As for my take on legalizing drugs, I say make them all legal. It would be unfair to say that marijuana is ok to use, but that cocaine is clearly out of the question. The idea behind legalization is that, until we impede on another man's freedoms, we have the right to do to our bodies as we wish. You probably wouldn't dream of making tattoo's illegal, and we clearly (we as in Americans. I apologize for the generalization) don't take lightly to our alcohol being made illegal, so why is it that we stand to allow our other pleasure inducing substances to be made illegal? As a world united (that world being the internet, which is clearly the best country on this small little, ass backwards, hick planet we call home) we must stand against the treason of taking away our freedoms to destroy ourselves in every way conceivably possible. We must fight for our right to weaken our stomachs, deteriorate our hearts and minds, to demolish our own kidneys! Dammit, how can I wake up in the morning, look myself in the mirror, and feel like a man and all the while know that I'm not "allowed" to make my body my own, to form it into a temple, or to a destroy all that is good until all that remains is a fragile cesspool of disease, just because some guy -- some group of people -- thought that he knew what was right for me more than I did?! The injustice is utterly insufferable. If I am to feel like a man, if I am to feel good about myself, I want it to be because I made me who I am, not because you did.
To quote an organization like NIDA to prove that drugs are bad for you would be like going to Marlboro and asking for their take on cigarettes. You have to take into consideration the bias that happens from an organization that is involved with banning the substance to begin with. The only reliable facts that can come out of tests about things like marijuana addiction are from double blind studies conducted by completely unbiased parties. Considering NIDA is a national organization, and the government is more than directly involved in marijuana's ban, taking their word for it is... well, just not well thought out.
Truth be told, their are no studies confirming that marijuana is addictive. But, on the same token, there are no studies proving that it is not addictive. The best answer that we have to date is that marijuana can cause a person to want to indulge in the experience again, and that, especially with prolonged, heavy use, can cause the user to suffer mild psychological withdrawal symptoms when they no longer use.
On the other hand, I get the same withdrawal symptoms when I haven't bathed in over day or so. I'm not sure I would exactly claim that I'm addicted to showers, and I'm positive that no one who wished to be taken seriously would claim that bathing is addicting. Fact is, if you get right down to it, and want to be childish about it, anything can be addicting. But, if you choose to take that route, you might as well just hold rallies against sex, music, eating, breathing, and all other addictive activities... including the rallying against things that are addictive, which would lead you to be a hypocrite.
What I'm getting at is that over the thousands of years that marijuana has been used (for various purposes), not one single report of addiction has arose. The mild withdrawal symptoms usually occur in people who stopped abruptly after prolonged periods of heavy using, and the majority of those symptoms can be linked to many casual activities that release endorphins into the brain, like exercise, to bring a less demeaning example into the subject. It is a proven fact that people who exercise regularly often suffer withdrawal symptoms when they stop. I wouldn't call that addiction, though technically it fits the bill. Basically, you have to decide where to draw the line on what you call addicting. As I stated earlier, if you want to act childish about the matter and say that things like bathing and exercising are technically "addicting" then you have more than every right to call marijuana addicting. However, if that is the case I feel that I speak for all of us by saying please don't post in this topic anymore because you're wasting our time. If you'd like to lighten up on the addiction idea because you can understand how calling exercising addicting takes away from the overall purpose of the debate, then by all means continue on with us. If you think that I'm wrong about the severity of marijuana "addiction", then by all means prove me wrong. But please do so with an unbiased (preferably double blind survey) perspective on the topic. Surely with all of the studies that have been done this isn't an unfair request.
To continue on with the debate, I would like to first state that those of you who say that you don't do drugs, but you do drink and smoke, you are clearly contradicting yourselves. I can understand separating narcotics and prescription drugs into two different categories that both classify as "drugs", but to separate nicotine, alcohol, or even caffeine, is just making up your own rules.
For those of you who would choose to provide that your reasoning is that nicotine and alcohol are not "hard" drugs, such as marijuana, please do a little more research. Both nicotine and alcohol are much more toxic to the body than marijuana. The studies that would dare shame marijuana by saying that smoking a joint is approximately the equivalent of smoking 5-10 cigarettes (depending on the particular source at hand) are very misleading. Indeed in ways they are similar, but when you consider the fact that marijuana is typically in a very pure form, while tobacco is always mixed with external carcinogens such as tar, nicotine, and even trace amounts of cyanide, how can you even compare the two together? Tobacco in it's pure state, while not exactly good for you, would provide a fair basis of comparison. But to compare the toxin leaden wasteland of death and disease also known as the cigarette (yes, I do smoke by the way) with the pure and if anything honed plant known as marijuana is to do nothing less than make a mockery of the scientific community.
As for my take on legalizing drugs, I say make them all legal. It would be unfair to say that marijuana is ok to use, but that cocaine is clearly out of the question. The idea behind legalization is that, until we impede on another man's freedoms, we have the right to do to our bodies as we wish. You probably wouldn't dream of making tattoo's illegal, and we clearly (we as in Americans. I apologize for the generalization) don't take lightly to our alcohol being made illegal, so why is it that we stand to allow our other pleasure inducing substances to be made illegal? As a world united (that world being the internet, which is clearly the best country on this small little, ass backwards, hick planet we call home) we must stand against the treason of taking away our freedoms to destroy ourselves in every way conceivably possible. We must fight for our right to weaken our stomachs, deteriorate our hearts and minds, to demolish our own kidneys! Dammit, how can I wake up in the morning, look myself in the mirror, and feel like a man and all the while know that I'm not "allowed" to make my body my own, to form it into a temple, or to a destroy all that is good until all that remains is a fragile cesspool of disease, just because some guy -- some group of people -- thought that he knew what was right for me more than I did?! The injustice is utterly insufferable. If I am to feel like a man, if I am to feel good about myself, I want it to be because I made me who I am, not because you did.
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Marijuana should be legalized.
It's only illegal because if it wasn't the NHS would be run into the ground.
(In England)
It's only illegal because if it wasn't the NHS would be run into the ground.
(In England)
Chaos Theory
MY 360 DIED! ='(
You know, I've tried pot once, and it really didn't do anything for me. I'm not against people using drugs, because if they want to destroy their lives, then that is their problem.
People who ruin their own lives can sometimes ruin other people's lives in the process.