Don’t let Ron Paul delegates take over national convention slots or don’t bother coming to Tampa

[The Witch]

I know hardly ANYONE here cares for U.S. politics but I just wanted to share this for those who DO care.

In a letter delivered Wednesday to GOP Chairman Michael McDonald, the RNC's chief counsel said if Ron Paul delegates are allowed to take too many slots for the national convention, Nevada's entire contingent may not be seated in Tampa.


John R. Phillippe Jr. said that while his letter is not binding, "I believe it is highly likely that any committee with jurisdiction over the matter would find improper any change to the election, selection, allocation, or binding of delegates, thus jeopardizing the seating of Nevada’s entire delegation to the National Convention."
Clearly, the RNC fears that mischief at the Sparks convention this weekend could result in Ron Paul delegates taking Mitt Romney slots and then not abiding by GOP rules to vote for the presumptive nominee on the first ballot in Tampa. So they are trying to force McDonald to ensure that actual Romney delegates fill 20 of the 28 national convention slots, thus removing any mystery of who they will vote for.


This could be even more fun on Saturday because — and I may be wrong — I don't think these Paul folks respect authority too much. And now the new chairman, who is close to some of the Paul folks, has to be the enforcer.


Too delicious.


The letter is at right. SOURCE

I don't think it can get much clearer about how scared these people are about Ron Paul. Oh, how I love it.

 

[Shaissa]

Really?
Wow.. I am a Ron Paul fan... and if he don't win the GOP Vote I'm not voting for Romney, so... Should I be feared?

 

[Will Graham]

Really?
Wow.. I am a Ron Paul fan... and if he don't win the GOP Vote I'm not voting for Romney, so... Should I be feared?

Yes you should be, because you are voting Romney

 

[The Witch]

Really?
Wow.. I am a Ron Paul fan... and if he don't win the GOP Vote I'm not voting for Romney, so... Should I be feared?

Yes, really.

And I am quite happy you are a Ron Paul fan, you have brains my friend I'm not voting for Romney either and I definitely won't vote for Obama again, either. :/ And if these people in charge of the delegates refuse to allow Ron Paul Delegates to take over the national convention then it will be Romney as the nominee just like Fox news and CNN wants.

Yes you should be, because you are voting Romney

He said he wasn't voting for Romeny.

 

[Prince Oberyn Martel]

Fuck Romney.

Obama will win when it comes too. The higher ups want it so. Hense why you have absolutly ridiculas tossers, that nobody really wants as a President, running to go against him. I like Ron Paul and hope he does it but realistically they will never allow him to get near the Presidency.

 

[The Witch]

Fuck Romney.

Obama will win when it comes too. The higher ups want it so. Hense why you have absolutly ridiculas tossers, that nobody really wants as a President, running to go against him. I like Ron Paul and hope he does it but realistically they will never allow him to get near the Presidency.

You're completely right. I mean, look what they're doing now. They're trying to bully a GOP Chairman from allowing delegates won by Ron Paul to press forward into the rest of the campaign... it's disgusting that they think they have the right to prevent rightful votes from going where they're supposed to be. This right here should be blasted on every news company's front pages about how there IS a type of voter fraud going around and that its victims are the candidates that the people clearly want. but is there? Hell no. CNN, FOX, and all of the other major news companies--all of them are bought out corporations by some master puppeteer who are told what do to, what to say, and who to show bias for.

They're only forcing Romney as a nominee because not even republicans like him, so when it comes to the final election days everyone will vote for Obama again. But if Ron Paul gets the nominee then he will dominate polls come final votings, so what do the "higher ups" as you put it need to do? they need to do everything possible to avoid having a candidate, that everyone loves(Ron Paul), get the nominee, which(if they can accomplish) in turn solidifies another four years of Obama as president.

 

[CassinoChips]

I'm not scared of Ron Paul. But Ron Paul supporters frighten me.

I take that back. I'm scared of Ron Paul in the same way that I'm scared of my 80-year old great uncle from Mississippi. In that I keep waiting for the next archaic, straight out of the 19th century thing he's going to say.

Moreover, his basic political philosophy is to deregulate everything, let the chips fall where they may, and hope that corporate executives do things in our best interest. You know, out of the kindness of their hearts. Because they certainly have a track record of doing that.

As to the letter, I think you're misreading it slightly. It's not saying that they're taking away delegates that Ron Paul earned in the Nevada primary. It's saying that they want the delegates that Romney earned to actually be Romney delegates, and not Paul delegates masquerading as Romney delegates. Also, this is in large part due to the fact that Paulbots went nuts in the 2008 convention, shouting down the chairman, generally causing unrest and making idiots of themselves, forcing the entire convention to be ground to a halt and eventually suspended.

In essence, Paulbots are the soccer hooligans of the GOP Primary system.

 

[The Witch]

By "taking away" I meant that, I just didn't want to spit a whole bunch of words. I didn't literally mean they're taking away delegates.

But in a way, the RNC saying that the Nevada GOP chairman better have Romney with his "rightful" delegates is pretty much the same thing.

I won't comment on your remarks about Ron Paul because the comments just aren't accurate.

Paulbots... that's a good one, though.

Us youngins are just paulbots. Oh well, I'd rather be a Paulbot than a Obamney Romama

 

[Richard B Riddick]

It bothers me that people still take US politics seriously.

Its almost as if... people still haven't woken up to the fact that its a complete joke.

Think of it this way. You have a Presidential race. Out of all the candidates who are running, Ron Paul is the only candidate who has a real plan to create jobs, address the deficit and resolve other issues.

The rest of the candidates have nothing but vague promises.

If you don't know what other candidates are planning to do as none of them have been specific or committed in terms of their stance on issues, its impossible to know which issues they support or what their real stance is on things.

If you don't know a candidates stance or position, you can't vote based on it.

In essence, the presidential race isn't about issues or policy.

Its nothing but a pathetic and overglorified popularity contest.

Some of Ron Pauls ideas are workable and inspired. But, he suffers the malus of people not being educated or informed enough to comprehend why they're good proposals.

This makes it easy for the media to demonize him and wage a smear campaign.

Americans as ridiculous and brainless as we are will be more than willing to believe the insanity of hating the only candidate with a plan being a "good" idea.

So, our country gets screwed as usual and so does everyone who lives in it. Nothing unexpected there, unfortunately.

 

[ribbit]

Romney will be the GOP for the Republicans, no doubt. Ron Paul would be nice but we can't have everything we want. Vote Obama. Lesser of two evils. And hey, look at that, Democrats are actually somewhat intelligent about what to do to start making jobs

 

[The Witch]

Americans ARE waking up and seeing Ron Paul and how he is the ONLY candidate with real solid grounds for fixing this country. Thousands of people are continuing to pack campuses and town halls all across America just to see Ron Paul speak, while Romney hasn't shown his "crowds" and fails to gain as much of a following as Ron Paul--I think this proves that Americans are smartening up and are educating themselves on the better candidate. Many man MANY people (if not more than Romney's following) are supporting Ron Paul more and more each and every day, which in turn shows our maturing as politically thinking peoples.

I mean, I don't see people climbing trees to see Romney or Obama because the house was too packed for any more people to get in.
I'd say there's a lot of very smart and educated people in America right now, the uninformed just can't see those numbers because of the lies the news organizations smear around.

 

[Richard B Riddick]

Democrats are actually somewhat intelligent about what to do to start making jobs

-Obama's stimulus plan "created" 1 job at a cost of something like $100,000. In other words, they may have created 5 times as many jobs had they simply given $20,000 to 5 people and paid them to sit at home and do nothing for 1 year.

-A summary of Obama's other job plan: Yo, dawg, I heard you didn't like paying taxes, so I gave you a tax raise to fund a tax cut so you can pay taxes to stop yourself from paying taxes. (People get offended when I say this, but no one has successfully disputed it thus far, as they know its true)

My 3 year old niece could do a better job creating jobs than Obama and his cadre of used car salesman aka -- the democrat party.

Not that the republican party is any better.

Seriously, why does anyone take these fools seriously?

 

[The Witch]

Romney will be the GOP for the Republicans, no doubt. Ron Paul would be nice but we can't have everything we want. Vote Obama. Lesser of two evils. And hey, look at that, Democrats are actually somewhat intelligent about what to do to start making jobs

No, voting for the lesser of two evils(or idiots without a clue, in this instance) doesn't make it the right option. The only thing to do is vote how you truly want. If you want Ron Paul as the nominee then vote him, keep on supporting him (no matter how many times FOX & CNN say Romney is the nominee)... they want you to give up and accept what they're telling you. Don't do it and keep voting for what YOU want and support not what news organizations are telling you to vote for.

And Romney and Obama are the same thing in their politics, just with different party names and different skin color--oh and Obama is at least likeable. That doesn't mean you vote for one of the other though. If you feel Ron Paul is the only real hope for America then vote him, don't give up.

I mean, look at how much the news organizations tried to ignore Ron Paul in the start of the year--there was one debate where he only had 60 freaking seconds of coverage in the ENTIRE debate. They're trying to do it now, telling us that he's never gonna get the nominee so we should just roll over and give up. Well, I don't know about anyone else but I am not going to vote for Obama "because he's better than Romney" the sad fact of the matter is that Romney and Obama are one in the same.

If Ron Paul isn't the nominee I'll write him in and I hope others will do the same because it could elect Ron Paul as president. :/

 

[CassinoChips]

In the words of Kang and/or Kodos, "Sure. Throw your vote away." Considering that Paul received a plurality of votes in only one state in the primaries, I don't know why anyone would think he has a shot at a write-in campaign.

And what amazes me is that Paul is seen as some sort of amazing reformer who'll change the way our government works and end all our problems, etc. etc. ... you know, just like Obama was supposed to do. And W. And Clinton. And Reagan. And so on. And so forth. Because is actually no different than any other American politician who is running against an incumbent party. "They" represent everything that's bad about American politics, but "I" represent everything good, and I will change the status quo. Meanwhile, 4 years later, nothing's really changed and now the other party is rehashing the same rhetoric about taking back Washington from the guy who was elected four years ago to take back Washington.

The difference with Paul is that he has appealed to the fringe. And the fringe is where you find the zealots.

 

[The Witch]

The way I see it, I'll be throwing my vote away and damaging the country further if I take part in electing either Obama or Romney... sooo,

Also, ron paul--I don't know if you know this--despite how "little" votes he has been claimed to have by CNN or FOX, he's been the republican nominee gaining more and more support with crowds only growing bigger with time. It's proven that they lied about the votes in Iowa, so who knows just how many other states Ron won at but is being deprived of the rightful win.

So, even if Romney is the nominee, if millions of voters write Paul in, and those votes outnumber Obama and Romney's--then it won't be wasted, it'll elect the smartest man for the job, aka ron paul.

And what amazes me is that Paul is seen as some sort of amazing reformer who'll change the way our government works and end all our problems, etc. etc. ... you know, just like Obama was supposed to do. And W. And Clinton. And Reagan. And so on. And so forth. Because is actually no different than any other American politician who is running against an incumbent party. "They" represent everything that's bad about American politics, but "I" represent everything good, and I will change the status quo. Meanwhile, 4 years later, nothing's really changed and now the other party is rehashing the same rhetoric about taking back Washington from the guy who was elected four years ago to take back Washington.

I do agree with all of this though. Only... not about Ron Paul. Why? because over the last--what? 30 years he's served as a politician, the man's been consistent and honest with everything he does and did. It's not only his policies that attracts me to him as a candidate, but also the fact that--judging by his entire career as a politician--he's never lied or switched stances on something and THAT proves to me that I can trust him. If he didn't switch sides or lie during those 30+ years then I say I have a damn good reason to trust him when he says he'll do what he says he will now.

But you're right. both sides play the "I'll take back washington" crap... the only difference is, Ron Paul has dedicated his entire life to taking back washington and turning this country around before it's really too late and he has proven this by his track record. He's always stood for liberty and to me, that makes him worthy of serving as our President.

 

[Richard B Riddick]

And what amazes me is that Paul is seen as some sort of amazing reformer who'll change the way our government works and end all our problems, etc. etc. ... you know, just like Obama was supposed to do. And W. And Clinton. And Reagan. And so on. And so forth. Because is actually no different than any other American politician who is running against an incumbent party. "They" represent everything that's bad about American politics, but "I" represent everything good, and I will change the status quo. Meanwhile, 4 years later, nothing's really changed and now the other party is rehashing the same rhetoric about taking back Washington from the guy who was elected four years ago to take back Washington.

The difference with Paul is that he has appealed to the fringe. And the fringe is where you find the zealots.

1. Ron Paul is considered a potential reformer for different reasons Obama was. Obama's claim to reform was his character and history. Obama worked with activist groups prior to his career in politics & lawschool. He admitted he did cocaine and smoked marijuana. He was respectful towards everyone and seemed to represent a departure from political norms that was in dire need. It may be unfair to criticize Obama, one person can only do so much & the system is broken in ways that most aren't aware of much less capable of addressing.

2. Excellent reform occurred under Reagan's administration. Example -- government sanctioned telecommunications monopolies were broken up. Prior to Reagan a person in the United States couldn't own a phone. They had to rent one from a phone company, long distance calls were extremely expensive and there was virtually no advancement or progress made in the field in decades. Telecommunications monopolies being broken up did a lot of good which the media completely ignores. But, the media tends to ignore any good that Reagan did. Reagan did good things at the expense of profit margins and the self-interests of the wealthy which is why he's a target for political smear campaigns funded by the wealthy & big business.. Unfortunately, when people think of Reagan today, the only think they know about him are what the smear campaigns tell them to think which is unfortunate as he was an awesome President.

3. What's worst about american politics is that americans are usually not educated or informed enough to make good decisions or vote for the right candidates. Actually, we're pretty dumb. We support all the wrong policies and the wrong issues. Then, we blame "republicans" or "religion in politics" for lack of progress to avoid admitting we were wrong. Its not healthy. But many of us are too egotistical and narcissistic to admit we contribute to the problem, or are capable of error and that's the real reason things are so screwed up.

4. Ron Paul doesn't represent a fringe demographic Everything Ron Paul says has historical data, facts and statistics which may support it. The real zealots and fanatics are those who think Ron Paul is crazy for criticizing the status quo & criticizing aspects of the government. It seems somewhere along the line people have been brainwashed into believing the government should be considered above criticism and above question. And, it is those people who are the real psychopaths, imo. Religion and God being above question and above criticism was never a good thing. And elevating a government to being above criticism only invites the exploitation and abuse that naturally follows in such authoritarian environments. See #3 above.

 

[Phoenix Rising]

Ron Paul's foreign policy is just far too whacky, I can't vote for someone who has such disgust for American exceptionalism. Romney is far too liberal, and there aren't any real differences between him and Obama. I might just end up voting for Romney though and hoping he'll be forced by the NRA and Congress to be more conservative; plus at least Romney isn't an isolationist.