Do nobodies age

Like you said, Nobodies don't get exist. Logically.... if you don't exist, you can't feel pain, anguish, or indeed age. It's impossible, despite their physical existence, they're technically not even 'there.'

As for the heartless, I'm not sure. To be without a heart, however, one would assume that the person or being in question has been denied existence or life. But like the Nobodies, they have a physical being. The argument for the Heartless, could there be one, I foresee as weak. There's not much you can back up either with, so it greatly depends on perception really.
 
I'm not too sure about the Heartless one, but I know about the Nobodies.

When Sora and Kairi were fourteen years old in the first game, their hearts became separated from their bodies, right? Kairi's went inside of Sora's just before Destiny Islands was destroyed. Her body went on without her heart, but it still had her soul. However, she was lifeless without her heart. Namine must have come into existence sometime around then.

After Sora fought Riku, who was under the control of Ansem, he decided to free Kairi's heart at the expense of his own by using the Soulless Keyblade. He turned into a Heartless and that was when Roxas was born. Unlike Namine, who knew of Kairi's memories, Roxas forgot about Sora's memories when Sora came back into existence when Kairi's strong feelings brought him back.

And when we move on to Chain of Memories and the second game, they are both still fourteen years old. It is clear that they haven't aged and should they have not reunited with Sora and Kairi, then they would not have aged or felt anything. So if they don't truly exist, then they wouldn't be able to age.

See my point?
 
Well they dont look any diffrent
Xemnas was created a long time ago from xehanort and he looks exactly the same
 
And when we move on to Chain of Memories and the second game, they are both still fourteen years old. It is clear that they haven't aged and should they have not reunited with Sora and Kairi, then they would not have aged or felt anything. So if they don't truly exist, then they wouldn't be able to age.
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Actually, Chain of Memories takes place DIRECTLY after Kingdom Hearts, so it's natural that they wont have aged. Kingdom Hearts II takes place DIRECTLY after Chain of Memories, and there is a one-year-gap between Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts II.

There's a scientific theory, which says that something, which is not affected by time, cannot exist. Since Nobodies should not exist, then it would be consistent to say that Nobodies should not age. However, since they do exist, maybe they do age.
 
My theory is the nobodies are like photos - they capture the moment - only literally. Like faith's theory - Sora is the same age in KH2 as 1, and that is because he's been trapped without Roxas.

Notice how Zexion is mentioned as 'young' in the real Ansem's journal. Surely many years have past since the Orgy grouped together, and he still looks kinda young don'tcha think?

Also:
'If light and darkness are eternal then surely us nothings should be the same'
 
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Can't be that long since the Organization was formed. You see, there was no such thing as the Organization when the King left to meet with Ansem the Wise. The story of Kingdom Hearts follows directly after, when Mickey tells Donald in the letter that he's gone. So the Organization has been there for less time than the events of the entire game.

Sora is the same age in KH2 as 1, and that is because he's been trapped without Roxas.
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Eh, no he's not. He's one year older, which is consistent, because Kingdom Hearts II takes place one year after Kingdom Hearts. Notice how he is taller, his voice has broken and he is more muscular in Kingdom Hearts II.
 
Two things, then. Firstly, Xemnas' theory was never proven in the first place, but instead quoted by Riku for a kind of touche'. Secondly, just because something, or someone, is eternal, that does not effect their age. They could be 5000 years old and have withered away to nothing, but still be alive.

I don't think Xemnas was trying to say that Nobodies are eternal, but nothingness was eternal - more like Nobodies will always be there, just not the same ones, if you see what I mean.

Oh, something imperative I forgot to mention:
'If light and darkness are eternal, then surely we nothings must be the same - ETERNAL!'
'You're right - light and darkness are eternal. Nothing probably goes on forever, too. But guess what, Xemnas - that doesn't mean YOU'RE eternal.

Disproved. Thanks :]
 
not nessarrily true riku, if you don't exist in the first place, how can you be affected by the ravanges of time, how are you able to feel the pain, suffereing, and nothingness that is what you are... if you escape all pain and suffereing you don't exist but as a mist of time, but being a mist in time, means you live on, always seeing but not feeling...

he is eternal
 
not nessarrily true riku, if you don't exist in the first place, how can you be affected by the ravanges of time,
I believe I said "something which is not affected by time cannot exist." Wordplay, much? :P

how are you able to feel the pain, suffereing, and nothingness that is what you are... if you escape all pain and suffereing you don't exist but as a mist of time, but being a mist in time, means you live on, always seeing but not feeling...
They don't feel emotion at all, though. They only pretend to.
 
Two things, then. Firstly, Xemnas' theory was never proven in the first place, but instead quoted by Riku for a kind of touche'. Secondly, just because something, or someone, is eternal, that does not effect their age. They could be 5000 years old and have withered away to nothing, but still be alive.

It might have been proved by himself. Didn't he carry on his experiments of the heart after ATW/DiZ said no? Maybe the answer was there...

Another quote - I am as eternal as that radiance of yours. I don't imagine Sora's radiance of light will wither away to nothing. Also - look down t Riku's quote (you'll trust it) - Light is eternal, and doesn't wither away to nothing.

I don't think Xemnas was trying to say that Nobodies are eternal, but nothingness was eternal - more like Nobodies will always be there, just not the same ones, if you see what I mean.

I thought nobodies were sort of nothingness incarnate. Xemnas is a nobody - and is thus nothingness.

Oh, something imperative I forgot to mention:
'If light and darkness are eternal, then surely we nothings must be the same - ETERNAL!'
'You're right - light and darkness are eternal. Nothing probably goes on forever, too. But guess what, Xemnas - that doesn't mean YOU'RE eternal.

I always thought that quote sucked. That point isn't proven - like Xemnas's.
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We could go on, quoting each other, Xemnas and Riku until we're blue in the face. The fact still remains that all of the evidence suggests that Nobodies do age. Unless we receive anymore information from Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix, then it's dubious as to whether or not we'll be able to add anymore to this small debate, seeing as we've almost exhausted it already.
 
My theory on the matter of Heartless is that they do not age Heartless are purely Darkness of the Heart AND as we all know thanks to the quotes light and darkness are eternal

As for Nobodies they dont truly exist they are empty shells destined to return to the darkness and the lower ones such as Dusks I dont think would age so the higher ones probably wouldnt either, with the exception of Roxas and Namine
 
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