Fan Fiction Dissidia 012 Discussion

[GalaxyFlare]

Im just gonna take this as another "Ipso Facto DuoDecim Fabricus Fabula"

Yeah.

WHy cant the just release a regular Freakin game? they gotta be jumble shit u and frustrate there fans.......WRONG.

Oh well Tifa Makes it all worth while

 

[Rey]

Okay it is a prequel yet Lightning is in it? O_O XIII wasnt even released by the time Dissidia I was out What makes it even more weird is that She was supposed to be in Dissidia I but Nomura said that it would spoil her character for XIII. What the fuck is going on here hmm? So they lost so many wars yet Lightning is in the previous one and not the current one? How interesting SE...

 

[GalaxyFlare]

No you see cuasility does not exist in the universe of FFD.

So Lightning can exist there.

And those summonign them are gods.........you should conslut someone else o how this part can happen I can only explain the scientific ways it can be done.

 

[Blasting Zone]

I dont see Genesis making it in for several reasons:

1. He is a villain from a spinoff, no spinoffs have thusfar been placed into the dissidia universe, only main titles
2. His fighting style would be too similar to Sephiroth or Clouds, with his Ex-Mode being pretty close to Sephiroths, SE thusfar have tried there best to avoid carbon copy characters
3. If Zack, who is currently looking very unlikely doesnt make it in, chances are neither will Genesis, Zack wont make it in because of being too similar to Cloud.
4. If he was in without Zack, he would feel too "tacked" on to appease fans, which would probably spoil it for several people.

My shortlist of who I expect will make it in:

Gilgamesh
Beatrix
Steiner
Celes (if she wasnt made before, because of the booming fanbase she likely will be getting made right now)
Balthier
Yuna
Seymour
Zeromus (secret boss or final boss)

Who I dont think will make it:

Vivi (as much as i love the little guy, i dont think he will make it because of shantotto and onion knight)
Zack
Genesis
Rinoa (with Tifa in, I dont see Rinoa getting in, dunno why i just dont see her making it in)
Vincent
Faris (it'll be either be her or Celes, my money is on Celes)

I agree with your points about Genesis (except for the second one, his fighting style really isn't similar to Sephiroth if you've played CC and he's FAR from Cloud's style), It was just wishful thinking. I just thought that he would be the easiest to put into Dissidia as opposed to someone like JENOVA.

BACK ON TOPIC:
I think Shinryu would make a good final boss, It can't be Chaos again, and it wouldn't be in a stage 5 feet in diameter like Edge of Madness. Zeromus just doesn't seem right.

I think Vayne would get made for FF12, along with Reddas or Larsa because they were the only characters with set weapons. The player could choose what all the other characters had for weapons.

 

[Terra Branford]

Oh well Tifa Makes it all worth while

I think you'll be sad to realize that Tifa either dies at the end, or she is sent back to the world. Its not looking good for any of the new characters entering this. But, prequel of this prequel suggests other characters came in before to help....I guess that's good.

Okay it is a prequel yet Lightning is in it? O_O XIII wasnt even released by the time Dissidia I was out What makes it even more weird is that She was supposed to be in Dissidia I but Nomura said that it would spoil her character for XIII.

All these new old characters either die, or are set back to their worlds to follow the story of the game they came from. From what I'm gathering.

Yes, she was supposed to be in, as well as Gil. So Nomura just screwed up a series by trying to make it complicated or awesome. It failed.

What the fuck is going on here hmm? So they lost so many wars yet Lightning is in the previous one and not the current one? How interesting SE...

Exactly!

No you see cuasility does not exist in the universe of FFD.

So Lightning can exist there.

And those summonign them are gods.........you should conslut someone else o how this part can happen I can only explain the scientific ways it can be done.

Actually, at the end of this one, they either Die (the new characters added) or are set back to their realm to finish their story lines.

Nomura twisted a perfectly good game into taffy and then tried to make it not taffy but failed and made it taffy anyway.

 

[Rey]

Honestly just reading this is making me go wtf. So they die or get teleported back to their worlds. I really can not say I understand the Whole point of Dissidia. I always thought it was a 20th anniversary gift for Final Fantasy in general. But now there are 12 other wars? Anyway this has just become ridiculous. Oh and on FF Wiki it said that if Tifa wasnt in this game(director saying this) He would have not made Dissidia 012. So the game should be based on Tifa Lockhart alot. What is pissing annoying is that this is a prequel. I think the Dissidia FF series has just become fan service as of now. I mean everyone wanted all the ff characters to fight other ff characters from different FF games. Now that there is a sequel I can say that this DFF series has just become what fans always wanted..

 

[Terra Branford]

Honestly just reading this is making me go wtf. So they die or get teleported back to their worlds. I really can not say I understand the Whole point of Dissidia. I always thought it was a 20th anniversary gift for Final Fantasy in general. But now there are 12 other wars? Anyway this has just become ridiculous. Oh and on FF Wiki it said that if Tifa wasnt in this game(director saying this) He would have not made Dissidia 012. So the game should be based on Tifa Lockhart alot. What is pissing annoying is that this is a prequel. I think the Dissidia FF series has just become fan service as of now. I mean everyone wanted all the ff characters to fight other ff characters from different FF games. Now that there is a sequel I can say that this DFF series has just become what fans always wanted..

Yes, confusing and stupid.

Also, you shouldn't really trust Wikia until actual evidence is supported. Was a interview actually there, linked to a trustworthy site? To me, that sounds ridiculous to assume considering they have focused this around Lightning.

 

[GalaxyFlare]

I like taffy though.........

Its all good if you ignore the story you get an excellent Fighting game in your pocket for Work or the Weekend.......its even better than a pocket sized HULK but not by much.

We will just have to wait and see what S-E does with DouDecim, because in spite of some people opinions Dissida was a success and it was 1 of S-E few successes over the last 2-4years if there current way of thinking ruins DouDecim were all screwed.

 

[TheMixedHerb]

This all sounds rather confusing, but i'm sure they'll make some form of confusing story to back it up, then again Dissidia is a decent game and it's not soley based on its story for once. The gameplay really takes the spotlight.

So at the end of the day, even with a confusing as hell storyline that makes no sense, what does it matter?

 

[Terra Branford]

I like taffy though.........

Its all good if you ignore the story you get an excellent Fighting game in your pocket for Work or the Weekend.......its even better than a pocket sized HULK but not by much.

We will just have to wait and see what S-E does with DouDecim, because in spite of some people opinions Dissida was a success and it was 1 of S-E few successes over the last 2-4years if there current way of thinking ruins DouDecim were all screwed.

Taffy is good, but do you like taffy dragged through the mud, turned hard and then dipped in water as an attempt to get its "taffiness" back?

Who said Dissidia was bad? They be crazy, let's cook em!

I guess we will have to wait for the new Dissidia game. Although this is backed by parts of the game and the new footage, I certainly hope this is not the case, unless it turns out to be epicly awesome, Terra a sword, Celes or Edgar, with Faris and Eiko.

Otherwise, lame!

This all sounds rather confusing, but i'm sure they'll make some form of confusing story to back it up, then again Dissidia is a decent game and it's not soley based on its story for once. The gameplay really takes the spotlight.

So at the end of the day, even with a confusing as hell storyline that makes no sense, what does it matter?

They changed it from not having story, to trying to give it story. But I don't think they realize how much they have contradicted themselves.

It doesn't matter, but it could potential ruin the game because they focus on something else, in turn destroying the game....

 

[GalaxyFlare]

Terra what are we doing here lol. lets get of the Taffy band wagon lol

Yeah some people do say dissidia is not that good, its there opinion FF bashers mostly so just ignore them.......I would not recommend cooken'em though.

Im holding hope for this game I really like the battle system on Dissidia, and am off the opinion that S-E needs to incorporate its battle system in its Main Release titles,as in Console games.

 

[Terra Branford]

Terra what are we doing here lol. lets get of the Taffy band wagon lol

Yeah some people do say dissidia is not that good, its there opinion FF bashers mostly so just ignore them.......I would not recommend cooken'em though.

Im holding hope for this game I really like the battle system on Dissidia, and am off the opinion that S-E needs to incorporate its battle system in its Main Release titles,as in Console games.

Its a um...I forget the word. But I'm just trying to say its bad now, unless they show us we can trust them again.

I think they need to make a Dissidia for PS2/3 with every character known to the FF series, that way, everyone can be happy and loving and obsessed again, with Final Fantasy.

 

[Aselia]

I think making it a prequel makes MUCH more sense than making it a sequel. The War had repeated itself over and over, with the Warriors of Cosmos failing. At the beginning of the game, the Narrator tells the story of the war..

Cosmos, the goddess of harmony. Chaos, the god of discord. Reigning from distant realms, the two gods had gathered warriors from all lands to lead them in savage war. Cosmos and Chaos were of equal strength. It was believed the conflict would last forever. However, the balance is now broken. Those who answered Chaos's call created an inexhaustible force. And under vicious attack without relent, the warriors fighting for Cosmos started to fall one by one. The conflict that has continued for eons is now about to end in Chaos's favor. The world has been torn asunder, sinking into a vortex of disorder. As for the few surviving warriors… their fates have yet to be determined.

The part bolded there. If the warriors for light have fallen one by one... then in Duodecim, you have the cast of the first game, plus the new characters. Suppose they are who is left after the 11th War. Then, when the 12th War ended, we had the cast of Dissidia. I think it started off, with the very first war, EVERYONE was there. With each passing war, the numbers on either side dwindled, until there were but 12 warriors on either side. thus, the final war. Perhaps at the end of each war, the remaining warriors' memories of the war are erased, so that they may continue without feeling the grief of friends lost. Plus, I just had a thought.

Spoiler

Perhaps Cosmos really IS dead. Cid of the Lufaine is only heard from in the secret ending. What if the secret ending occurs between Duodecim and the first game. It would make sense that the imply the war is not yet over, since it is between the games

 

[Terra Branford]

I think making it a prequel makes MUCH more sense than making it a sequel. The War had repeated itself over and over, with the Warriors of Cosmos failing. At the beginning of the game, the Narrator tells the story of the war..



The part bolded there. If the warriors for light have fallen one by one... then in Duodecim, you have the cast of the first game, plus the new characters. Suppose they are who is left after the 11th War. Then, when the 12th War ended, we had everyone who is left. I think it started off, with the very first war, EVERYONE was there. With each passing war, the numbers on either side dwindled, until there were but 12 warriors on either side. thus, the final war. Perhaps at the end of each war, the remaining warriors' memories of the war are erased, so that they may continue without feeling the grief of friends lost. Plus, I just had a thought.

Spoiler

Perhaps Cosmos really IS dead. Cid of the Lufaine is only heard from in the secret ending. What if the secret ending occurs between Duodecim and the first game. It would make sense that the imply the war is not yet over, since it is between the games

Nah, she's alive, we see her in Dissidia through the secret ending. She comes back when they finally win.

It would make sense if Dissidia didn't have the contradictions it has...

Here is a simply description for those who are still confused.

Dissidia = 13th and Final War

Duodecim = 12th war, the one in which The Emperor got everything into motion for the 13th war

Duodecim simply shows how Dissidia came about.

 

[Aselia]

I addressed the secret ending in the spoiler tag I think that the secret ending really isn't the ending at all, but maybe the beginning, or rather the end of Duodecim

 

[Terra Branford]

I addressed the secret ending in the spoiler tag I think that the secret ending really isn't the ending at all, but maybe the beginning, or rather the end of Duodecim

I know....but its not, that's the problem here. Dissidia is Dissidia, it has no ties to another game besides the one flashback we get and the reports.

Duodecim tells us what happens to cause Dissidia. Whatever happens in Dissida is the end of the end of the series, nothing more after that unless they want to make a sequel and not a prequel.

What it showed in Dissidia, is what happens after, not what happens between the two, or after Duodecim, but telling its own story in Dissidia.

So Cosmos is alive, she comes back, its the will of the worlds I guess just like it is for Garland I guess. When it shows Cid and Cosmos, its in Dissidia, not before Dissidia or after Duodecim, or between the two -- just is Dissidia.

At least this is what I'm being told right now.

 

[GalaxyFlare]

That Secret scene was a waste of time I think.........How can mortal being know more than a goddess? My knowledge of the Leufenians(if I spelt that right?) something about a cloud City or in FFI?

But even they should be under the dominion of Cosmos, why the hell are they talking to her like they are explaining stuff to her......that is a strange setup.

 

[Terra Branford]

Eh, the whole thing only makes sense if you realize there was so less of story line in Dissidia, it was easy to implement it. lol

So, Nomura could easily have done this:

Duodecim>Cosmos Loses>Shinryu restarts everything>Dissidia>Cosmos Wins>Cosmos declares no more wars.

 

[Aselia]

That Secret scene was a waste of time I think.........How can mortal being know more than a goddess? My knowledge of the Leufenians(if I spelt that right?) something about a cloud City or in FFI?

But even they should be under the dominion of Cosmos, why the hell are they talking to her like they are explaining stuff to her......that is a strange setup.

I just read this earlier...

Spoiler

In the Cosmos and Chaos Reports, it is hinted that Cosmos is a being created by the Lufenians in the form of Cid's unnamed wife as an alternative means to soothe Garland. This is present as Chaos had a dream where he knew true happiness

This could explain why he knows more

 

[Channizard]

Am I the only one who doesn't actually hate the idea of it being a prequel? I think it's neat. And it certainly makes a lot more sense storywise than it being a sequel, where everybody has their crystal and goes home happily only.. nowait! Come back for moar battles! Gay.

The idea of the prequel opens up way more possibilities story wise, they can easily play around with it more. And it even opens up the possibility that they have 11 more prequels on the way, all in the form of PS3/360/DS/phone spin off games. They will easily turn this spin off from a franchise.. into it's own franchise!