Could Yunalesca be right? What d u think?

[Sephiroth The Dark]

Ok first, this is for people who like giving some thought on FFs. So here's the thing: I came to do some thinking about Yunalesca and the message she tried to pass to the party. And I ask you now: What if there was no way to defeat Sin 4ever? What if he just kept coming back? Would it be worth for Yuna to give her's and a guardian's life for a False Hope? And would Seymour be right when he said that he wanted to rid Spira of all it's sorrow by destroying it?(I remind, all this considering the "if" Sin couldn't be destroyed and just kept coming back).

 

[Dygan Siguara]

cheerful, aren't you?

In my mind, Seymour and Yunalesca were utter bitches to fight and therefor they are wrong. Besides, why does Seymour even need to be Sin in order to accomplish this? He's got Anima for fucks sake! Anyway, eventually, he'd stop controlling Sin, and if Sin hadn't already destroyed Spira, what difference would a different "controller" use?

 

[Mitsuki]

Hmm, then I guess the characters are pretty much in deep trouble, lol. I don't know, I've never really given that much thought about it. Well, actually I have just now. But it's confusing, and I don't even know if I understand it myself so I don't wanna get into it. =/

Anyway, if Sin kept coming back...then I guess it's pretty useless for Yuna to sacrifice her life.

 

[Saix]

If he kept coming back, then no. Not worth it. However that greatly depends on the longevity of Sin's absence after the 'defeat.' Although I haven't found reference to how long Sin doesn't return in Spira, I'm going to take a safe guess and say it would be for a somewhat lengthy period of time, but not exceeding more than a year in total.
If the battle and pending defeat of Sin never took place, and during the (for example) 8 month duration of him not reigning chaos over Spira, more than just the demanded two people would die in said time. So for that, sacrificing their lives was the ultimate gift a Summoner and Guardian could give the world; temporary freedom.

As for Seymour's ambition, I can truthfully understand where he's coming from. He aimed to end sorrow, and in the event of death, there's no consciousness to feel the sorrow of life. Naturally there will be that few who cling to life to the bitter end and become unsent, but Seymour's ambition, in a manner of speaking, was selfless. It would result in the perfect goal he strived to accomplish.

The two observations here collide, somewhat. I'd only agree that Seymour's desire was worth it if the arrival of Sin after his initial defeat was quick. Death would seem comforting.

cheerful, aren't you?

Yeah...that was worth posting, wasn't it. :/

 

[Sephiroth The Dark]

As for Seymour's ambition, I can truthfully understand where he's coming from. He aimed to end sorrow, and in the event of death, there's no consciousness to feel the sorrow of life. Naturally there will be that few who cling to life to the bitter end and become unsent, but Seymour's ambition, in a manner of speaking, was selfless. It would result in the perfect goal he strived to accomplish.



Yeah...that was worth posting, wasn't it. :/

It wuz. Nicely said. I believe in Seymour's ambition too, and I'm convinced that he definitely didn't do it for self righteous purposes. But I still ain't sure about false hope... Ah well

 

[Dygan Siguara]

Naturally there will be that few who cling to life to the bitter end and become unsent, but Seymour's ambition, in a manner of speaking, was selfless. It would result in the perfect goal he strived to accomplish.

The two observations here collide, somewhat. I'd only agree that Seymour's desire was worth it if the arrival of Sin after his initial defeat was quick. Death would seem comforting.

You really think he is completely selfless?? If he truly wanted "peace", then why allow such chaos while he achieved his target?? If you asked me, the guy's got problems - who would join forces with the monster that killed your dear mama and caused such sorrow, the very thing he is trying to overcome...

What's the difference between false hope and wholesome hope? Either one can keep you going. This would also abolish some form of sorrow. I reckon Seymour and Yunalesca would be a perfect couple. They both have scary hair and are a nightmare to fight (excluding Omnis *bursts into laughter at the feebleness of the "boss"*)

 

[Dark Tidus]

If he kept coming back, then no. Not worth it. However that greatly depends on the longevity of Sin's absence after the 'defeat.' Although I haven't found reference to how long Sin doesn't return in Spira, I'm going to take a safe guess and say it would be for a somewhat lengthy period of time, but not exceeding more than a year in total.
If the battle and pending defeat of Sin never took place, and during the (for example) 8 month duration of him not reigning chaos over Spira, more than just the demanded two people would die in said time. So for that, sacrificing their lives was the ultimate gift a Summoner and Guardian could give the world; temporary freedom.

As for Seymour's ambition, I can truthfully understand where he's coming from. He aimed to end sorrow, and in the event of death, there's no consciousness to feel the sorrow of life. Naturally there will be that few who cling to life to the bitter end and become unsent, but Seymour's ambition, in a manner of speaking, was selfless. It would result in the perfect goal he strived to accomplish.

The two observations here collide, somewhat. I'd only agree that Seymour's desire was worth it if the arrival of Sin after his initial defeat was quick. Death would seem comforting.


Yeah...that was worth posting, wasn't it. :/

First the calm after Sin was defeated by Braska was 10 years long so you're way off. Also I have to admit you have it pretty well down. And if Sin could not be killed (not even by atonement i guess???), then we could count on a sudden increase in deaths of summoners and also many that quit their pilgrimage.
Also Seymour's idea to take lives and free souls from the torment of life, is actually a good idea. Only some people would rather live with the torture.
And with Yunalesca she was evil but in the case that Sin couldn't be killed she would have her story straight, too bad she was wrong... Anyways I hope that helps with some of you deep thought you are putting into the game.

 

[Saix]

You really think he is completely selfless??

I never said he was selfless. I said his ambition was.

If he truly wanted "peace", then why allow such chaos while he achieved his target??

The chaos itself spurred conflict, hate and ultimately war. Considering he wanted everything to die, I'd say it was greatly relevant to his actions.

If you asked me, the guy's got problems - who would join forces with the monster that killed your dear mama and caused such sorrow, the very thing he is trying to overcome...

He obviously has problems. Everyone that paid even the slightest amount of attention to the game would know that he was heavily dependent of his mother as a child; rendering him somewhat 'messed up' after being without the one he was reliant to. She was his rock, but she crumbled. And as such, so did his mentality.
As for the joining forces with the monster...the only possible things you could mean are either Anima or Sin; neither of which "killed her."

First the calm after Sin was defeated by Braska was 10 years long so you're way off.

I never said it was any later or sooner. I was giving an unsupported example of how long it was before Sin returned after the battle.
But now that I think about it...I suppose it'd have to be a considerable number of years before Sin would return, thus rendering the question 'should summoners be sacrificed' answered by moral default...yes they should.

 

[Ultima36]

No way, they're not right! If there were no way to properly beat Sin, then it would be better for everyone to know that. Then they're not throwing away summoners' lives for nothing... and maybe they can focus on better things...such as blitzball ("Spira is a little short on fun these days!")

 

[Dark Fantasy X]

death is the ultimate and final liberation, that is true in every way, i know, if anybody has any questions, just ask

 

[UltimaNatus]

Its clear he only comes back because summoners have to die to stop him, this means the people who let the summoners die in order for themselves to be happy during the calm commit the greatest sin of all, this is what they dont see and why sin keeps coming back. Had the other summoners before Yuna, Issaru and Dona been able to think for themselves they may have seen this and them too decided to try and find "another way" meaning no one lets any one die, so no more "greatest sin of all" leading to no more sin.
Thats what me and a few friends think anyway

 

[Dark Fantasy X]

well anyway, i would say that yunalesca is right, humans themselves are sad creatures, we are controlled, by our greeds and desires, and we are pitiful, that is why we are doomed, either way, death is the final peace and liberation thats all there is to life, to die really

 

[Saix]

Its clear he only comes back because summoners have to die to stop him, this means the people who let the summoners die in order for themselves to be happy during the calm commit the greatest sin of all, this is what they dont see and why sin keeps coming back. Had the other summoners before Yuna, Issaru and Dona been able to think for themselves they may have seen this and them too decided to try and find "another way" meaning no one lets any one die, so no more "greatest sin of all" leading to no more sin.
Thats what me and a few friends think anyway

The wording left much to be desired, but that theory ain't half bad.

 

[UltimaNatus]

I think its a hard one this..... Sin has always come back but then you have 2 key points to remember from "this" Sin

1) Sin is Jecht. Jecht said he will find a way to break the cycle!
2) Tidus is Jechts son. And says will find a way to break the cycle.

The storyline doesnt show any previous "Tidus's" being brough by Sin to help summoners, so I think it is all part of Sin's plan from the beginning.
This doesnt mean that Ive forgotten that Tidus is a dream, more to show that Jecht remembers the age old ruling of "when you dream anything is possible" a natural law more powerful than hope depending on what you believe in lol. So Tidus is a Dream. It often takes dreams to beat "realities"

 

[Dark Fantasy X]

.... umm okay, we didn't need to know about the aerith and sephiroth bit, but i get your point, humans are sad creatures by my recoining, i have always believed that

 

[Casanova]

Yunalesca was wrong in saying that the Final Summoning was Spira's only hope because in the end

Spoiler

Sin was defeated without the death of a Summoner and a Guardian and the Eternal Calm was brought forth.

Although she was only fighting for what she believed in just like Yuna.

 

[Dygan Siguara]

In my opinion, she's right. The final summoning is worth it. The deaths of people in (I dunno) kilika(?) would score about three until sin came back. That's four deaths in all, including the summoner. Wheras, if sin attacked kilika (again) the deaths would be about fifty times that number.

 

[Aztec Triogal]

This topic is painful. Sephiroth the Dark, good topic. Sorry it's turned into a complete trainwreck on you.

First off, this is a hypothetical topic. If you post in here, it doesn't matter what happened in the game as far as them overcoming Sin by mere physical strength. You're suppose to imagine, use your brains and pretend, that the only way to defeat Sin is by summoning the Final Aeon. That means the summoner dies and so does a party member. That is the topic. Not about Seymour and Anima. Stay on topic, please. The question is simple: If the only way to defeat Sin was by summoning the Final Aeon, thus killing the summoner and a guardian, would it be worth it, even if Sin came back?

Also, for reference, after Sin is defeated, he is gone for ten years. Then he is reborn.

Now, to get on topic, yea, I think it is. Granted you lose two lives and you can't put a price on that... but Yuna went on her trip willing to sacrifice herself for the good of Spira. She knew that she was going to die from day one. She didn't know that one of her guardians would have but she was more than ready to die for Spira and so were the guardians that protected her. Every summoner before her chose to sacrifice their life and every summoner before her had a guardian who was willing to sacrifice themself too. If there were no other choice, no other way, Yuna would have done it. I can't blame her. She would have given her life for the sake of everyone else so that the people of Spira could not fear Sin for a full decade. That's worth it, in my mind.

 

[Katastrofik]

Seymour Had Good Intentions... lol..

I Mean He Didn't Wanna See People Suffer Either..

So He Felt If He Destroyed Spira, All Pain Would End..

But Nothing Is Impossible To Defeat..

 

[Dark Fantasy X]

hope, why need it, if we didn't have it, it would be in a way a better world, well if they stopped believeing, and actually trying, rather then hoping for the best and actuallu try, thats why humans are sad creatures and are blinded by that fact