Breast feeding in public

[Squid]

Isn't the only reason shitting, peeing and having sex in public not allowed because we have decided that these natural things are gross?
Just like some of us think seeing a boob with a baby attached to it is gross.

I am sure back back back in the day these things weren't seen as so bad either.

 

[moogling]

If you are eating your food, do you want to look across and suddenly see a boob? Don't even get me started if the lady is a big fat lady. You'd probably choke!

now we've resorted to fat shaming, nice. fat people shouldn't be allowed to do the same things as others in public, of course!

But if walking around with no top on isn't even allowed

http://gotopless.org/topless-laws

 

[Squid]

And yet you hardly ever see anyone topless in the shops i bet in any of those states. Because people know no one wants to see that.

 

[moogling]

it's a shame we're so ashamed and disgusted by our own anatomy i guess is my final point unless some really really dumb shit comes into this thread next

 

[Tucker]

now we've resorted to fat shaming, nice. fat people shouldn't be allowed to do the same things as others in public, of course!



http://gotopless.org/topless-laws

I meant it jokingly. And I brought it up in response to the whole "if fat guys can walk around shirtless why can't a female" point.

Um...no shoes no shirt no service? I don't know anything regarding actual topless laws, but I'm pretty sure that if you walk around the average mall without a shirt (male or female) you will get stopped by a security guard.

 

[Ethics]

State law doesn't matter in regards to private property. You can't skate inside a library, but you can skate outside because it isn't illegal. You can't walk around without a shirt in a mall, but you can walk around without a shirt at the beach. See where I'm going with this? If I decided to say no women were allowed within my house, that is my right. It's against the rules of the private property to be topless because people don't want to see your tits (male or female), it drives people away and is bad for business.

You don't need to show the world your boobs to feed your baby and it isn't a matter of trying to keep women down, it's a matter of being courteous to other people. Nothing more, nothing less. Carry a small blanket, or use a breast pump to put it in a bottle. I'm sure many places would rather warm up a bottle for you than to see your boobs, it really is pretty simple.

 

[CassinoChips]

It's a lot easier to just put the milk in a bottle and roll the baby in a stroller, like a normal human being.

That actually makes life harder for the mother, because she has to use a breast pump at some point, which can be painful. But of course, it's ok for us to make women jump through hoops because something they do might make us feel icky.

You don't need to show the world your boobs to feed your baby and it isn't a matter of trying to keep women down, it's a matter of being courteous to other people. Nothing more, nothing less. Carry a small blanket, or use a breast pump to put it in a bottle. I'm sure many places would rather warm up a bottle for you than to see your boobs, it really is pretty simple.

And that's fine. The problem is that if a woman chooses not to, there's no need for somebody to come up to the woman and create a scene when it's just as easy to turn 180 degrees and not look at her for the 5 minutes that she's feeding. And I'm not sure that Abercrombie & Fitch has a microwave in which to warm up a bottle. Oh also, you can't just carry around an unrefrigerated bottle of breast milk. It goes bad quickly.

 

[Ethics]

It's inconvenient for her to use a blanket, so why should anyone else be inconvenienced to avoid her? That doesn't really make since, you don't get fair from paying forward inconveniences. No, the blanket is still easilly the best way through the situation.

I'd be willing to bet they would have a microwave in their employee lounge. Although, I suppose that boils down to whether or not the employee is a dick so fair enough on that I guess.

 

[Shinra Executive]

That actually makes life harder for the mother, because she has to use a breast pump at some point, which can be painful. But of course, it's ok for us to make women jump through hoops because something they do might make us feel icky.

The poor women have to not show their nips in public.

And that's fine. The problem is that if a woman chooses not to, there's no need for somebody to come up to the woman and create a scene when it's just as easy to turn 180 degrees and not look at her for the 5 minutes that she's feeding. And I'm not sure that Abercrombie & Fitch has a microwave in which to warm up a bottle. Oh also, you can't just carry around an unrefrigerated bottle of breast milk. It goes bad quickly.

And yet, their are many thousands of women who breastfeed their children and are indifferent to breastfeeding publicly. Way to turn a mountain into a molehill- face it, women just want to display it to feel special.

 

[Ethics]

I think that's not really the issue. I imagine they just want to be able to do what they need for their kid and not feel insecure or shunned about it. They take other people complaining that they are uncomfortable as an offense, when the other person has every right to feel that way. Ultimately, they don't need to feel uncomfortable about their bodies, but they also don't need to pass that on to others in a public place.

This is a dead horse now, though, so I think I'm out unless something sparks up.

 

[Marquis of Granby]

You realize that breasts do not produce excrement, don't you? And you know that breast are not sexual organs?
Therefore, your "penis" is not like a pair of breasts. Once again, breasts do not produce waste or act as a sex organ--I'll assume you know these very basic and simple facts about the female anatomy, if not--then that's your problem (and it'll probably result in you never getting laid).

Once again--breast are not sexual organs and penises are not anything like a pair of breasts.

Why?

Because--and say it with me now--breasts do not produce feces. Breast are not sexual organs.


When a woman breast feeds she is doing one of the most innocent and beautiful things she'll ever do in her life--nursing her baby. Your piss does not nurse/feed anyone. Your penis has no other purpose then for sexual reproduction or urinating. OUR breasts exist solely for nursing our young and the only way our breasts are "sexualized" is because people like you sexualize our body and trivialize our anatomy to fit what YOU want. Just because society says something doesn't mean it's right.

Again, the middle east says the woman's entire body is sinful and "wrong" and "dirty" and should be "hidden"--are you saying we should walk around with oppressive black sheets on our bodies because a certain society says we should be ashamed of our bodies??

And another thing, since a certain few keep bringing up sexism-- I find it absolutely hilariousssssssssssssssssssssss, that some people are completely fine with a woman showing as much cleavage/sideboob as possible, but as soon as a nipple is involved it's all "ew, that's disgusting!"

wouldya look at that logic!!

take a chill pill dear. no one is saying that breasts are sexual organs. they are, however, considered to be sexually explicit (LET'S ALL SAY IT TOGETHER NOW KIDS etc etc) in the majority of western cultures. no one is asking you to walk around with your entire body covered, we live by our own cultures, not those of the middle east. biological purpose is irrelevant. whether any one person thinks that breasts are the most innocent natural thing in the world is irrelevant. breasts are sexually explicit whether we like it or not. it will take a long time to change the perception of nudity from being something dirty to something innocent and natural. after all, even you think that the penis and vagina are dirty and should not be on show.

 

[moogling]

I'm sure many places would rather warm up a bottle for you than to see your boobs, it really is pretty simple.

where you are pulling this from i just don't know if even a few people in her vicinity can't even avoid staring at her for 10 minutes because they're too concerned about their own modesty standards, what makes you think an employee is going to go out of their way to go do something for a mother

breasts are sexually explicit whether we like it or not. it will take a long time to change the perception of nudity from being something dirty to something innocent and natural.

and yet no one is advocating for anything even in the slightest way that would attempt to change the perception. a breastfeeding mother is about the farthest thing from being seen as sexually explicit and yet no one can look at that because "they can just change their schedule around because it makes me 'uncomfortable'". no one really asks themselves why they feel uncomfortable because that's "irrelevant". "that's just the way it is".

it'd be great if people would stop attempting to convince themselves breastfeeding is where a woman flips her boobs out of her shirt, does a dance around the nearest pole a few times, makes sure everyone in the room is aware of her breasts being 'out', and then, only then, starts to breastfeed

 

[Shinra Executive]

I think that's not really the issue. I imagine they just want to be able to do what they need for their kid and not feel insecure or shunned about it. They take other people complaining that they are uncomfortable as an offense, when the other person has every right to feel that way.

Breastfeeding in public is on the same tier as women preaching in church- they want to do it out of the simple fact that they can't. Gender roles and ordinances are a balance, not an equality. It's really important to discern that difference. When we start talking about men having there nipples out when women can't, it borders on the line of absurdity.

 

[Harlequin]

That actually makes life harder for the mother, because she has to use a breast pump at some point, which can be painful. But of course, it's ok for us to make women jump through hoops because something they do might make us feel icky.

Us? Why is this turning into men vs women? Wasn't it a female who first took umbrage to seeing it in public in this thread? I've never been offended by the sight of it and shock horror I'm male. But it's a courtesy thing with me. I don't mind if someone swears in public but refrain from doing in in front of kids if it would kill you to be so considerate.

And I can't think of anywhere I've worked that doesn't have a microwave. I'd put good money on A&F London having a microwave.

where you are pulling this from i just don't know if even a few people in her vicinity can't even avoid staring at her for 10 minutes because they're too concerned about their own modesty standards, what makes you think an employee is going to go out of their way to go do something for a mother

You'd be surprised. I'd do it unless there wasn't enough cover for me to do it.

I just think people in general should stop complaining about absolutely everything in life. Everyone has problems and everyone has a hectic schedule. Sometimes I don't have time to do everything I want or need to but I always find time for a shower for example so I don't reek on the underground/subway during rush hour. I hold doors open because I'm not an inconsiderate dick. Instead of thinking "why do I have to do this?!" I do it because it makes for a more pleasant society to live in and it makes me feel positive. What does it take to wear deodorant in the morning so you don't stink up the carriage? Hold the lift for someone in case they need it too? Drape a towel over your breast in case someone gets offended at seeing it?

I'm not offended by the sight of it at all but a lack of courtesy and cry babies offend me.

 

[Harlequin]

Breastfeeding in public is on the same tier as women preaching in church- they want to do it out of the simple fact that they can't. Gender roles and ordinances are a balance, not an equality. It's really important to discern that difference. When we start talking about men having there nipples out when women can't, it borders on the line of absurdity.

What a joke. You're painting all women with the same brush by saying they're doing it as a form of rebellion. Some are genuinely rushed off their feet but even then I think a modesty cloth isn't too much to ask. But what you've said is just derogatory and misogynistic.

 

[Shinra Executive]

What a joke. You're painting all women with the same brush by saying they're doing it as a form of rebellion. Some are genuinely rushed off their feet but even then I think a modesty cloth isn't too much to ask. But what you've said is just derogatory and misogynistic.

Ah yes, the ol' run of the mill 'generalization' argument followed by 'your a woman hater'. If being misogynistic is equatable to saying there is one single mutherfucking a thing a women shouldn't do, then it's no wonder the word is spammed so often by women.

Try something new, please. Thanks.

 

[Marquis of Granby]

and yet no one is advocating for anything even in the slightest way that would attempt to change the perception. a breastfeeding mother is about the farthest thing from being seen as sexually explicit and yet no one can look at that because "they can just change their schedule around because it makes me 'uncomfortable'". no one really asks themselves why they feel uncomfortable because that's "irrelevant". "that's just the way it is".

they are uncomfortable because breasts are considered to be sexually explicit. i thought that much was obvious to you at least. you do want to change that perception because women are being inconvenienced by it. you fucking liberal atheist feminist agendaist man hating women you!!

 

[Harlequin]

Ah yes, the ol' run of the mill 'generalization' argument followed by 'your a woman hater'. If being misogynistic is equatable to saying there on single mutherfucking a thing a women shouldn't do, then it's no wonder the word is spammed so often by women.

Try something new, please. Thanks.

...do you speak this way about women on dates or something?!

I defy you to find a woman who isn't offended by the grossly accusatory generalization you've undoubtedly just made. Ridiculous.

 

[Squid]

Gosh get the fuck out of my thread if you're going to act like a baby. Seriously. How hard is it to not bite?

Either way.
The other day I saw a woman in the lift with me while I was heading up to work. She had the pram in one hand the baby in the other and was breast feeding AND she had a blanket over it. She was juggling doing 3 things at once and still managed to be considerate of everyone else.
I think that proves how easy it is to do and how it is not burdening anyone in the slightest

 

[Ethics]

Easy guys.