All he needed was a dreamer?

[Dark Fantasy X]

Here's something intersting i thought of recently, i started playing through FFX recently, beat all the dark aeons finally, and unlocked penance, and got beat by penance, still working on that but that's beside the point

i thought of the ending of final fantasy X, where Tidus in the end disappears, i put a spoiler tage on the title of this thread so don't flam me or anything, but here's something intersting i've been thinking about

tidus disappeared because the fayth stopped dreaming, so wouldn't that mean all Tidus needed to continue his existence is a dreamer? so theorically he could come back so long as somebody was dreaming about him, it's a long shot i know, and there's alot of holes in it, because the fayth probably could only continue the existance of that dream so long as they had the power of a summoner, but...

the fayth also said that jecht and Tidus were more then a dream now, so wouldn't that mean so long as people dreamed about Tidus that his dream would continue, and therefore his existance would continue?

A dream needs a dreamer in order to exist afterall, just a thought,

 

[Saix]

A long shot indeed.

The Fayth were the ones dreaming of Zanarkand and those therein, so in order for Tidus to have continued living, one or more of them would have needed to keep dreaming - something which, as heavily highlighted after a certain point, they were all tired of doing.

Also, they were the ones dreaming because they were existent in the original Zanarkand (although I guess this is only true for the ones who existed at that time - looking at Seymour's mother here). So to have a regular Spiran dream about Tidus in order for him to continue 'living' seems a little implausible and illogical.


Concerning your latter point, it was my understanding that Tidus and Jecht were only "more than just dreams" in a figurative sense and not a literal one; they were the ones who could

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end the cycle of death

. Beyond that I don't think I really understand what you're saying about that particular topic...

 

[King Sean]

). So to have a regular Spiran dream about Tidus in order for him to continue 'living' seems a little implausible and illogical.

Yeah, it would have to have been someone that was alive when the old Zanarkand was still around. In the sequel of X, there is a character who may have been the base for which the "dreamers" dreamt up Tidus, from. He could have kept existing if they kept dreaming, but they did say they grew tired of that, which is why he could not exist anymore.

 

[moogling]

I guess from the break the fayth got between X and X-2 gave reason for

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Tidus to come back

. They got a break from dreaming, I can imagine one needs to put a lot of power into dreaming an entire city, and one like Zanarkand at that. I'm going to have to just... sum up the other posts buy saying that only a fayth has the power to "dream" up Tidus, not just any random person that wants Tidus to exist again.

 

[Dark Fantasy X]

I guess from the break the fayth got between X and X-2 gave reason for

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Tidus to come back

. They got a break from dreaming, I can imagine one needs to put a lot of power into dreaming an entire city, and one like Zanarkand at that. I'm going to have to just... sum up the other posts buy saying that only a fayth has the power to "dream" up Tidus, not just any random person that wants Tidus to exist again.

but wouldn't it be possible still. The fayth said he and his father were more then just dreams, wouldn't that be a literal sense, if he was the dream to end this dream, he couldn't be purely a dream anymore can he? If a dream were to walk out into existance, wouldn't that mean he didn't necessarily need a fayth to dream him but anyone would do? He couldn't be purely a dream anymore, for him to do all those things

-Kamui

 

[moogling]

My head hurts.

If it were so easy, don't you think Yuna would be asleep all the time dreaming of him? And in the end of X-2,

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Bahamut's fayth asks Yuna if she wants to see Tidus again.

So I think that Square is implying that only fayth can dream him up.

 

[Dark Fantasy X]

My head hurts.

If it were so easy, don't you think Yuna would be asleep all the time dreaming of him? And in the end of X-2,

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Bahamut's fayth asks Yuna if she wants to see Tidus again.

So I think that Square is implying that only fayth can dream him up.

your head hurts?

*pat pat*

sorry, but this type of things does go in circles alot, but get what your saying, square implying only a fayth can dream it, but then again the fayth were once upon a time summoners weren't they? that's what they said FFX-2 and X, didn't they?

you can't rule out the possibility that if somebody knew tidus well, so long as they knew him, they could dream him up?

 

[Mikko01]

Maybe Tidus and Jecht were considered more than just mere dreams because they left an impact in Spira and had emotional ties with it? Like Auron, he remained undead because he had ties with the living world. Maybe Tidus and Jecht could be considered more than dreams because they had strong ties with the living world... just to throw that one in there!

But, in the end, they are still just dreams and with the fayth being allowed to rest, they would have to go bye-bye too. But eh, I think it's just supposed to leave the rest to imagination...

Dreaming Tidus back was the fayths way of saying thankyou, wasn't it? Yuna did go and save the planet twice.

 

[10th Doctor]

I wish he was brought back another way. The way I look at it now, is that

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when Cosmos sent all her warriors back to their worlds, it granted Tidus new life.

 

[Gert]

I was lazy and didn't read through this whole thing (sorry! be mad if I am repeating...), but I just thought of something... if Tidus became more than just a dream when he touched Sin, as the Fayth of Bahamut apparently explains to him (although, I can't recall this...but I believe everyone haha), then why does he even

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disappear at the end? Wouldn't he just keep on being a real, living, breathing person?

Just a thought.