A Burning Question...

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WARNING! THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FROM BOTH FFX AND X-2!!!


Okay so I was just having a chat with some friends on MSN, and I've had this question that'sbeen burning since I just recently played both FFX and X-2 and beat them. I acquired the perfect ending on X-2 and I must know...is Tidus real or is he still a dream? The reason I wonder this is because the fayth were the ones who brought Tidus back to Yuna.

It left me wondering because of some things that were said and things that had happened in FFX. Tidus was a dream of the fayth. Then when you re-visit the fayth in the temples in X, they explain about Jecht becoming real once he was touched by Sin and brought into Spira. Same goes for Tidus. Bahamut's fayth stated that both Jecht and his father had been touched by Sin. Thus that being so they became more than just dreams.

However, if that's the case, why did Tidus fade when the fayth stopped dreaming if he and Jecht became "real"...? Another thing, at the end of FFX-2, the fayth tell Yuna they'll try and do what they can, but that they couldn't promise anything. Now when they're on the cliff in the perfect ending, Tidus states he has a theory.

He says that he thinks the fayth gathered all his thoughts and brought him back. Then he wonders if he's still a dream. So that's my question. Is Tidus real or is he still a dream? If so, are the fayth dreaming him and only him? Or, were the fayth able to make him real since Tidus basically had became "real" in the original game? I hope all that made sense...<.< I'm like half out of it today.
 
Ive definately read around the forums somewhere that the fayth said they would continue to dream for Tidus, but they don't know how long for... that's about all I can add ....:confused:

So, Id say he was still a dream
 
But if he's still a dream, he could disappear again...x_x and I don't think that's what Square wants us to think. I think they wanted us to know and believe that Tidus was back and back for good this time.
 
Ive definately read around the forums somewhere that the fayth said they would continue to dream for Tidus, but they don't know how long for... that's about all I can add ....:confused:
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let's hope it was longer than for the ending..could you imagine? The minute that part is over he's just like 'yeah....I kind of have to go now..'

I really don't like that 'don't know for how long' business. It seemed like a pretty permanant thing though.

Well obviously they brought back the Tidus that Yuna had known...so they deffinatley brought back dream Tidus since the "real" Tidus never knew her. Would they really 'keep dreaming' just for him though? It seems to me that he had been made more real by the whole sin experience and that by gathering his memories, especially of that time, they could use some kind of special power reserve :-)unsure:) or something and would be able to make him..well...real...although for a dream he was pretty damn real in the first place.

As for why he would have to dissapear in the first place even though he had been touched by sin...easy...SE wanted to make us cry.
 
I don't think there is any difference from the "real" Tidus or dream Tidus. The dream was supposedly created from the actual Zanarkand and created from existing pyre flies. I think the only difference is, is that the dream must be continually summoned to remain in the world or else the pyre flies return to the Farplane.

As to the question, I personally believe he is now real. Whether that be as in more of an unsent than a normal living being, I don't know. It is just something about the scenes leading up to his "rebirth" that lend me to believe he is now far more than what he was.
 
I thought this thread had something to do with herpies cream...

Anyhow, it is pretty clearly stated in Final Fantasy X that Tidus is more than a dream because he came in contact with Sin. Remember, the fayth had nothing to do with Tidus coming to Spira. It was all Sin and Auron. If it had not been for them, he would still be a dream of the fayth. However, because Sin did touch him... he became more than just a dream.

That does not mean however that he became human, simply "real". Just like at one point Tidus actually did go from a thought in some developers mind to a fully rendered 3D model in one of the best RPGs ever, he became more than he originally was. It does not mean, just as in the prior example, that he became a human being.

I think it was because he became "more than just a dream" that he was able to return at the end of Final Fantasy X-2... but as for whether he is, or was ever, human cannot be completely answered. We simply do not know for sure. I can say this though, if he were human at the end of Final Fantasy X, he should not have faded. We also have no reason to believe that he is human at the end of FFX-2. I think the safe bet is that he is as he was before, "real" but not human.

On a quick sidenote, I'm sure some of you may not have liked the example I used about Tidus going from dream to "real" just as he went from thought to "real". But I used to have a literature teacher that told me that great stories worked on 3 levels. The first needed to be the story itself. It needed to be entertaining and each event that took place needed to be relevant to the overall storytelling. The second was that there were underlying meanings, symbolism, and meaningology. The third level was one that transended the story itself; that reflected the real world and real situations. I think my example is that 3rd level... but that's another discussion perhaps.
 
I've read so many threads with the same question in the past, and all I've got out of them was that SE did this on purpose. They wanted you to use your imagination. "Create your own ending" sort of business. This may not be true, but it is what I read. Not sure if I believe it myself but.. *shrugs*
However, there has not been an actual known answer for this question. I'd just go with what Aztec Triogal said, it makes sense =/
 
So this is kind of out there, but this just came to me while writing on another thread. I copied and pasted it into here since it applies more to this topic:

I think when I first got to the part of the game in the Fayth Scar, I always assumed that the people, the Fayth, trapped in the stone were actually the people from Zanarkand, and each one was responsible for dreaming of themselves. So, I guess I assumed maybe the real Tidus was sleeping somewhere among all of those people. If this is true, then the ending of X-2 would make a lot more sense, that perhaps the Fayth simply used pyreflies to resurrect the actual Tidus? And he would have the memories because he would have been inside the mind of the dream Tidus, maybe, since he was responsible for dreaming it? The Fayth wouldn't need to keep dreaming that way, and Tidus would be completely real. He would just die now instead of immortally encased in stone.

Although...I just remembered, at the end of X, didn't something happen to the Fayth Scar in the FMV?? :think: I can't remember...
 
Gert said:
So this is kind of out there, but this just came to me while writing on another thread. I copied and pasted it into here since it applies more to this topic:

I think when I first got to the part of the game in the Fayth Scar, I always assumed that the people, the Fayth, trapped in the stone were actually the people from Zanarkand, and each one was responsible for dreaming of themselves. So, I guess I assumed maybe the real Tidus was sleeping somewhere among all of those people. If this is true, then the ending of X-2 would make a lot more sense, that perhaps the Fayth simply used pyreflies to resurrect the actual Tidus? And he would have the memories because he would have been inside the mind of the dream Tidus, maybe, since he was responsible for dreaming it? The Fayth wouldn't need to keep dreaming that way, and Tidus would be completely real. He would just die now instead of immortally encased in stone.

Although...I just remembered, at the end of X, didn't something happen to the Fayth Scar in the FMV?? :think: I can't remember...
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That would work... if Tidus was a Fayth, which he wasn't.

As for the question at hand, got to remember that this is a game we're talking about, some will say he's flesh and blood and real, others will disagree. IMO, he's real. The fayth granted Tidus life due to Yuna and Tidus ending the Sin cycle, AND Yuna defeating Shuyin and stopping the total obliteration of Spira.

Kind of like a reward?

Makes you think the fayth are like necromancers :mokken:
 
Well, we wouldn't really know if Tidus was a Fayth or not. I don't see why he couldn't be...the "sleeping" encased version of him could be dreaming himself into existence somehow, who knows. None of those Fayth in the Scar were actually aeons, I don't think...or anything that anyone ever saw. Just an interesting thought, anyways.
 
I don't really get why anybody would obsess over this question for more than a few seconds. Tidus existed, maybe not in a corporeal form, but he definitely did exist. He had feelings, emotions, he interacted with people and enriched the lives of others. At some point in time, he existed. The form in which he existed is debatable, but that he existed is not. What really is the difference between him existing and, for instance, the other "non-dream" characters existing? For instance, prior to my birth or yours, neither of us existed. Once we die, we don't exist. For all the difference it makes, we could call ourselves dreams. We may even be dreams of greater/lesser beings. But we still exist. In what shape we exist, I do not know. But we DO exist. We are as real as anything else. For the moments that Tidus is dreamed up by the fayth, he is as "real" as Yuna. Real is a relative view-point. There's no need to wonder about whether Tidus is real.

This is one of the big themes of Final Fantasy X; reality, what reality is, and what shapes our perceptions of realism and surrealism. Don't think of Tidus as a dream, think of him as somebody. Because he exists/he existed, as surely as you or I exist. How do we exist? I don't know. Are we as real as we think we are? I don't know. But you're sitting here, reading these words ... aren't you?
 
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