So let it be written so shall it be done(in a few minutes)
Adolf Hitler
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So let it be written so shall it be done(in a few minutes)
strifesangel
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I watch the History Channel all the time about Hitler and the SS. I do believe he was an evil man, but he's very interesting to learn about.
Since he was such a powerful speaker, he was able to manipulate people into believing that the Jews were the cause of Germany's problems. I'm not sure how many people he killed himself, but he convinced Germany into extinguishing millions of people. Not only is he a bad person, but all of these Nazis that helped him commit these crimes.
Hitler's sister thought that in time Hitler would be seen as not an evil man but will be seen like Napoleon. I guess if you want to look at it from a political view, you could say that he was a good dictator, although he did not listen to what the people closest to him were saying. If he had not invaded Russia or if there was no D-Day, what would have happened today? (There's a video game coming out about that same scenario.)
I don't understand it, how can you think that you are doing right by committing these horrible crimes and sending so many people into a fucking furnace or gas chamber?
Since he was such a powerful speaker, he was able to manipulate people into believing that the Jews were the cause of Germany's problems. I'm not sure how many people he killed himself, but he convinced Germany into extinguishing millions of people. Not only is he a bad person, but all of these Nazis that helped him commit these crimes.
Hitler's sister thought that in time Hitler would be seen as not an evil man but will be seen like Napoleon. I guess if you want to look at it from a political view, you could say that he was a good dictator, although he did not listen to what the people closest to him were saying. If he had not invaded Russia or if there was no D-Day, what would have happened today? (There's a video game coming out about that same scenario.)
I don't understand it, how can you think that you are doing right by committing these horrible crimes and sending so many people into a fucking furnace or gas chamber?
Raptorg
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Adolf Hitler wasn't a bad man... he had his reasons, thing is, he was terribly misguided... as a boy, he was in fact a Jew... i don't know the complete history, it's been so long ago, but i seem to think he was betrayed by the Jews, he carried a hatred towards them, and afterward he began to hate everybody who wasn't... well... "pure"...
lets think about him as Sephiroth, they're very much alike in this thing, Sephiroth was created by terrible experiments, for that he hated Shinra, and eventually hated everybody, Hitler was hurt by SOME Jew people, and after series of happening, he started to hate all people who were... different, in religion, looks and all... the man was an awesome politician, he knew what to say, he had an answer on anything, this helped him in becoming the leader of the germans, the man was brilliant, but this brilliance was rather corrupted, it being so long ago since i studied this subject(5 years from now) it's hard to remember things
but 1 thing i can say...
was he a bad man? no
was he blinded/misguided by hatred? yes
additionally, it was indeed not good he did what he actually did... but well, the guy was driven crazy by his thirst for power, this hatred that started everything, turned into thirst once he was reigning, eventually he wanted the world, but ofc, once Germany wanted to attack France, we belgians didn't allow them to pass through our country... making the belgians actually very important in this war, since because we slowed the german's march to france down so the Americans and Canadian(please never forget the Canadians, they were very important in D-Day) could come to us, and could get on land when we were starting to lose our battles, since then the Allied forces of America, Great Brittain, France, Canada and Belgium and a series of other countries that Allied with us could drive them back into Germany, while Russia was pissed off Hitler tried to invade Russia and driven the Germans back and then invade them(dividing germany in 2 pieces, western(the western Allied troops were there) and eastern germany(russia was there) and then Hitler gave up and killed himself and his wife)
and about the Americans being the heroes is actually not very much true, if Hitler left Russia alone... we would've lost, Germany was so powerful, but Hitler made the great mistake trying to invade both france AND Russia, the Russians were the actual heroes in the 2nd world war, not the Americans(and Canadians)
but in the end... Hitler was not a bad man... he turned into one because of Hatred...
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You are wrong.
Okay, since nobody is taking the side of Hitler...
Hitler, in all honesty, was not a bad man at all. To say he was a "bad" man means he was an incapable man- and yet Hitler was able to take a war torn country into a technological revolution, bring back national order and pride, and single handedly crush the majority of European powers to it's west. If you're saying Hitler was "bad", you must think Jesus was terrible- he didn't even gain a political office!
Hitler, in all honesty, was not a bad man at all. To say he was a "bad" man means he was an incapable man- and yet Hitler was able to take a war torn country into a technological revolution, bring back national order and pride, and single handedly crush the majority of European powers to it's west. If you're saying Hitler was "bad", you must think Jesus was terrible- he didn't even gain a political office!
Raptorg
Dark Battle-Mage
you have no right to say i'm wrong...
Common sense says Killing 6 million jewish people is a bad thing, also the right of Free Speech says you're wrong.
You may all be suprised by my next statement, especially since I will now say that I am jewish. Hitler was not a 'bad' man. Evil and Bad are two different things. If you think about how he lived his life, he isn't bad, but he is evil. If you knew about his lifestyle, here's some facts. He didn't drink, do drugs, and only was married once. He fought for what he belived in, and helped Germany through an economic depression. He did kill many jews, but he was a good leader. Evil man though.
He wasn't a good leader, there was no opposition BECAUSE HE KILLED THEM ALL there were no people speaking wrongly and if there were HE KILLED THEM, anyone he didn't like he KILLED. Suppressing opposition because they say you're doing a bad job so everything thinks you're a good leader does not make you a good leader.
So yes, he was evil.
He didn't kill them. Based on your logic, Kennedy killed Cuabn immigrants, Nixon and Johnson killed vietnamese, FDR, Eisenhower, and Truman killed germans , italians, and japanese, Lincoln killed americans, Bush killed Iraqis, and Madison killed the British. Must I continue? Do you believe these "Great" presidents killed the people? Though Bush isn't great.... but anyway. Based on the fact that american presidents aren't blamed for the deaths of their enemies, why are the deaths of Hitlers enemies blamed on him?
strifesangel
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Uh, he did do drugs. Haven't you ever heard about the Nazis and drugs they used to inject? Meth happened to be in that concoction Hitler used every day. And even so, just because someone does drugs does not mean they are bad...
I never referred to them as great.
He may not have killed them personally but if he hadn't come up the "Final Solution" or the "Einsatzgruppen" then the SS wouldn't have killed them.
Just because the media doesn't blame those leaders you mentioned does not mean that instantly it's been decided they haven't been blamed whatsoever, (stop relying on the media to tell you what you should think and what other people think, for christs sake people where are your minds these days?)I blame them, I blame all leaders for sending their people to fight other people, I despise the entire idea of war, and any nation who orders their army to kill another army for no good reason is wrong.
The same way I think Hitler was an evil man for murdering people because of religion, skin colour, disablity and sexual orientation. Anyone who orders the death of another human is evil.
Hitler was good at public speaking. He must have been smart enough to realize that having good public speaking skills would make people listen to him, even if his ideas might have been racist. However, I think his hatred of Jews may have stemmed from a psychological disorder, or possibly experiences in his life he may have misinterpreted, and spun out of proportions. That is to say that you cannot justify a psychopath being a good (or at least not bad) person if this is purely subjective. Maybe that is a good question to ask: can you excuse a psychopath for being unaware that his actions are morally wrong, and because a psychopath lacks the part of the brain that allows him to feel guilt?
I get the argument about him bein a good leader, studied the same thing when i was at school about how he saved Germany, however he did it by tryin to commit genocide. Definately not a good man. However as evil as he is one man alone cannot go out an try an commit genocide, he'd need people to follow him. Otherwise he'd just be flung in a psychiatric hospital. The eccomnomic situation may have let Germany be easily lead, but that doesnt make Hitler any better.
Hitler isn't as evil as its been made out over the years. He did order the prosicution of Jews because of his misguided views but he never actually planed or took part in what eventually happend to them. The holocaust wasn't done by his word, it was the German government itself.
Hitler rose to power with good intentions, to get Germany out of the economic depression we put them in. He succeded but then his thirst for power took over and eventually started taking over ultimatly starting WWII, which btw if not had happend the depression in the West after the Wall Street crash wouldn't have sorted itself out for years more than it already had. Infact we would still be suffering the effects even now to extent.
He just wanted the Jews out of his growing Empire, he didnt necassarly wanted them dead. Only because he was the big cheese back then doesnt mean to say he actually dictated and knew every exact thing that was going on. The real people to blame for the Holocaust was each and every person invloved. Think about it, a thing of that scale needs ALOT of help, and thos who helped even just alittle bit must've realised what was going on yet they did nothing.
Not saying Hitlers an Angel, the guy is still a cunt, but it does have to be acknowlaged.
Whats really sickining tho is not only did we help create that mosterous regiem, but the research made through the experiments during the holocaust was ground breaking stuff and a wonder to the medical world. Infact alot of todays treatments from dangerous and possible fatel diseases and such would have possibly never have been discoverd without this 'research'.
Hitler rose to power with good intentions, to get Germany out of the economic depression we put them in. He succeded but then his thirst for power took over and eventually started taking over ultimatly starting WWII, which btw if not had happend the depression in the West after the Wall Street crash wouldn't have sorted itself out for years more than it already had. Infact we would still be suffering the effects even now to extent.
He just wanted the Jews out of his growing Empire, he didnt necassarly wanted them dead. Only because he was the big cheese back then doesnt mean to say he actually dictated and knew every exact thing that was going on. The real people to blame for the Holocaust was each and every person invloved. Think about it, a thing of that scale needs ALOT of help, and thos who helped even just alittle bit must've realised what was going on yet they did nothing.
Not saying Hitlers an Angel, the guy is still a cunt, but it does have to be acknowlaged.
Whats really sickining tho is not only did we help create that mosterous regiem, but the research made through the experiments during the holocaust was ground breaking stuff and a wonder to the medical world. Infact alot of todays treatments from dangerous and possible fatel diseases and such would have possibly never have been discoverd without this 'research'.
People, there is a difference between bad and evil. Hitler was good in the way he lived. He followed through with his beliefs and did what he felt right. Just because his beliefs are thought of as evil doesn't make him bad. Would you like to be called a bad person because you believe Jews killed Jesus or because you feel others are wrong about religion? What makes someone bad would be doing things you feel are wrong. And what could be considered evil? What is evil to some isn't to others. People shouldn't base how good, bad, evil, or nice someone is by how you believe those terms are.
I give up with this argument.
Summary:
-Hitler was not a good leader because he silenced those who said he wasn't
-Hitler ordered the death of the jews, he commanded people to kill them, he is as bad as they are
-Following with your beliefs is not a good thing all the time, if that is the case the Muslim Extremists aren't bad because they believe its right, George Bush invaded Iraq because he thought it was right so he's not bad etc. Your talking absolute bullshit there, Just because someone is following through with their beliefs does not make it right.
- Good Public Speaker.
Summary:
-Hitler was not a good leader because he silenced those who said he wasn't
-Hitler ordered the death of the jews, he commanded people to kill them, he is as bad as they are
-Following with your beliefs is not a good thing all the time, if that is the case the Muslim Extremists aren't bad because they believe its right, George Bush invaded Iraq because he thought it was right so he's not bad etc. Your talking absolute bullshit there, Just because someone is following through with their beliefs does not make it right.
- Good Public Speaker.
In my eyes there is simply no way to describe Hitler other than as evil. The benefits he brought to the German people are irrelevent. It is very difficult to see him as anything other than a monster, but of course he wasn't, he was human and thats the scariest thing.
Anyone with a serious interest in the subject should check out the film 'Downfall', it chronicles the last few days of Hitler's life. What makes it more impressive is that it is a German film. You owe it to yourself to watch it.
Anyone with a serious interest in the subject should check out the film 'Downfall', it chronicles the last few days of Hitler's life. What makes it more impressive is that it is a German film. You owe it to yourself to watch it.
HOORAY! I knew you or someone had to agree with me. I was about to leave this place then....
I'll have to see that Downfall film at some point.
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Hitler ordered them dead, but he didn't personally kill them. In essence, we say that Hitler executed the Holocaust; Hitler started Kristallnacht; Hitler lead the Munich putsch [sp?]; Hitler got together his SA and SS. It's is BECAUSE of Hitler that the concentration camps were set up. So, Hitler essentially killed these people, because he is responsible.
If your in a workplace and the boss hasn't provided the essential health and safety equipment, then someone is hurt, who is to blame? The one for not making sure that the equipment is provided - the boss.
It wasn't only Jews that he killed - homosexuals, members of the Reichstag, religious groups and such people were put in concentration camps. Anyone on the Enemy of the State list was arrested -before- they commited a crime.
Oh, and I noticed that someone said that Hitler cut unemployment. I just remembered mid-way through this post, so forgive me for not quoting it. In actual fact, what Hitler did to decrease the number of Unemployed people in Germany was effectively just remove certain people. I can't quite recall much detail about this, but I know that if you were a Jew, your German citizenship was taken from you and you could not claim benefits. He continued to do things like this and just didn't add anyones names to the list of unemployed people. No one complained, either. If they did ... well, they'd be getting to grips with concentration camps quite quickly.