Lie's lither told this to clear it up

[ClaireSensei]

First all of those sicentific data he show was done in the 50s and before when women started to rise up and gain power.
You see when it first started to happen guys right away started to come up with all this data saying how males or so much better then femals.
Even today the sports or separated only because of a guys pride.
Guy most be better we or better females most obey us since we or smart and better in every way a lot of guys most think thsi way or they break since their pride is the only thing that keep them going.

Yes males and femals brain or built different but not in the way he told it.
First females or much more social creatures then guys or.
Then the dislikes and likes of both gender among other small things like this cause the brain to develope different.

Then it is true males or naturally stronger then females their bone structure is bigger thicker naturally on ave. however a female can become as strong they just got to put more effort into it then guys do on ave.

females or naturaly more flexible then males or a male have to go through much more training. just to get the same naturaly flexiblity this is on ave.
In speed pure speed that more tricky female hat train right can become faster then males who train the best they can however most female not to big on sports so they don't bother.
Their also the fact that females bodys or built so they can lose more blood then males and keep active before passing out.

uh and a mental thing that is different is a females can on ave multy task better.

So yes their i differents bettween the genders
that is because over the age each side evo to what needed to be to complete the task they do every day males in the past need muslce most of the time and that really all while female need a lot of different adv to survive and protect their young.

Israel have the most talented air force in the world right know and over 70% of it is women. You see they let females fight in wars.

uh and go back look at history every great mind in the past had a female who made them who they was einstein first wife was a mathematician yes einstien thought of it but she prove it however he got all teh credit because of the time and if you see after he left her he did not do another great thing. are second president was nothing but a loud mouth but he was one of the main people who got the war started and only reason why is his wife was his consult she told him how to act and what was the right things to put in his talks.

one last thing i do not believe every one is created equal.
i believe every one should have equal chance to have the same right to try and do what they wont to do and under the law be treated equal but thats all.
Some or born with amazing gifts, actually every oen si born with some type of gift. Their or people who can go up to a wild animal and right away the animal obeys them their or others who can do unbelieve math problem in just sec. every one is born different.

sorry for bad grammar

 

[Donald Trump]

Men are physically stronger/faster than women.
Sports are seperated because men are better, even in less physical sports such as Golf or Tennis men are far better.
But that's the omly real generalisation that you can make, though I have heard that women can withstaind more pain than men, childbirth etc.
The ability of the Israeli airforce is subjective, though their talent is probably down to the fact that they have state of the art equipment and they're always ready to go to war. Females and males make equally good pilots.

Einstein's wife was intelligent but Einstein sought lectures on pure maths from mathematicians other than his wife. The behind every great man this is just an empty saying, people rely on other people, whether they be male or female.

Whilst I agree that everyone is different, and not necessarily equal, I don't believe everyone has a 'gift' or something that they are good at. For people to be above average or 'extraordinary' we must have an underclass of people who are just average, and ordinary.

 

[ClaireSensei]

Men are physically stronger/faster than women.
Sports are seperated because men are better, even in less physical sports such as Golf or Tennis men are far better.
But that's the omly real generalisation that you can make, though I have heard that women can withstaind more pain than men, childbirth etc.
The ability of the Israeli airforce is subjective, though their talent is probably down to the fact that they have state of the art equipment and they're always ready to go to war. Females and males make equally good pilots.

Einstein's wife was intelligent but Einstein sought lectures on pure maths from mathematicians other than his wife. The behind every great man this is just an empty saying, people rely on other people, whether they be male or female.

Whilst I agree that everyone is different, and not necessarily equal, I don't believe everyone has a 'gift' or something that they are good at. For people to be above average or 'extraordinary' we must have an underclass of people who are just average, and ordinary.

first men never been prove faster then females second no females or not less at sports then males males just put much more work into it then females do most of the time. actually when every men vs women in the past females won more times then males liek in tenise about 30 years ago the top male and female forgot names any way female won.
it more male prides that wont let them put them together then any thing.
second females can withstand more g-force then males can and they can multy task better which or two very important things for pilots. plus another one is female reflex or faster on ave as well.
we have much better equipment then they do but they by far out rank us as well as other countrys who have better equipment.
when i said gift i did not mean uh wow great awesome gift i ment something that could be as small as weaving baskets or smaller then that.
i've seen janitors who loved their job and was awesome at it to.
Uh and i do not mean behind every geat me their is a great women but if you look almost every single great men had a women.
uh and no einstien did not until he became some one other cared about which every theory that was important he had prove about them before he became somebody any oen care about and his wife is what gave him teh evident to prove them. however once he became important and other started to look at his work he got ride of his wife then if you notice after that like i already said he never did any thing else important.

everything i say is either by data history lessons or by what i study about teh human body and mind in bio/chem focus degree

 

[Donald Trump]

Firstly, you are wrong about the tennis as a doubt what you say happened. About ten years ago when the Williams were in their prime, one of them played a match against a French journeyman, as well as not being a particularly good tennis player by male standards he also smoke a packet of cigarettes before a match. He beat them in straight sets. Also compare the speed of the serves, in male tennis they are much faster.
Also men are faster than women, male sprinters consistently run 100m in less than ten seconds ie Usain Bolt. The record for a the female 100m is 10.49 seconds, and Flo Jo who set it, quite possibly took steroids.

 

[ClaireSensei]

Firstly, you are wrong about the tennis as a doubt what you say happened. About ten years ago when the Williams were in their prime, one of them played a match against a French journeyman, as well as not being a particularly good tennis player by male standards he also smoke a packet of cigarettes before a match. He beat them in straight sets. Also compare the speed of the serves, in male tennis they are much faster.
Also men are faster than women, male sprinters consistently run 100m in less than ten seconds ie Usain Bolt. The record for a the female 100m is 10.49 seconds, and Flo Jo who set it, quite possibly took steroids.

the female ya talking about is not the fastest females she the 3rd the first is Griffith-Joyner.
yes her time is slower but like i already said firs their is ot sic data which says males or aster actually usualy the data points in the other way when talking about experments of the human body.
However with females like i said and this is the main point.
they do not wor a hard as guys at sports because if they don't keep up how pretty they or then they or toss to the side no madder how good they or. second female or force to be more social then guys or so they have to put more work into that to which give them even less time to work on becomeing faster and ect.
then their the fact as well that a ton of really athletic female who could become great athletic don't even try because they don't care for sports as much. i knew a girl in middle school who could run 100m in 10.65 and she was only in middle school could get much faster however when enter high scool she quit and started to care how she looks and so on.
this is the problem.

billie jean king she went vs bobbi riggs
she won as well.
this was back when females was fighting for same rights as guys so even in sports they tried much harder and practice much more.
However today females do not priace no where near as much as they should and they care less and less about sports and thats the problem.
At that time female won tons of match vs guys in muty area of sports.

 

[Dragon Mage]

Oh for goodness sake!

Bjork, you are not right about men being faster than women, nor are you wrong. It depends upon the individual, their body type, and their level of conditioning. Specific examples such as the ones you're primarily using are generally disregarded by any scientific research because there are always exceptions to the rule. Like women beating men at arm-wrestling -- the general trend would be that men win most of the time, but women have beaten them as well, just not in a majority of the time. So specific examples fall flat. Use only the most up-to-date averages, which we would likely see after the Olympics in 2 years.

It is outright unethical to accuse a women that set a record of using steroids. Men use steroids a lot, but any record they set isn't questioned, if I were to follow from your exemplary use of selective logic. Both men AND women should be subject to the same uncertainties -- this is called be impartial in scientific method.

SenjoOLight, being a women myself, I do not disagree with some of your arguments, but women are not ultimate beings. That being said, neither are men. The two are equal, just different. Difference does not automagically mean that one is inferior. Note that the 'different but equal' is NOT the same as the segregated rule of 'separate but equal'. Equality means, in its purest form, that the differences between two (or more) subjects is known and recognized but no action is taken against one (negatively or positively) because of that difference.

Now let me clear up some fuzz here:

Bjork, as a general rule, women do tend to be faster than men, if not in outright sprinting then definitely in actual agility. I don't know of any tests that have been developed or conducted for the agility part, but consider this:

It is acknowledged that women have greater lower body strength than men. Do not deny this. It is well-known fact. So a woman could kick a man faster and with more damage because 1) her increased lower body strength is equal to a man's upper body strength so it's rather like punching with your feet, 2) the woman can used kicking to even the odds because she can recover from it faster and women generally have a better balance recovery rate then men. It is generally this lower body strength, and average lighter weight, that makes women faster.

Now, I will reiterate, this is not the rule. No matter where you go, who you test, what test you use, you will always find where a man will best a woman in a woman-inclined trait and you will always find a woman that will best a man in a man-inclined trait. For example, you will find a woman that wrestled a man into submission or a man that used kick-boxing and won the match.

This is all based on individuals alone and therefore is null when it comes to actually proving whether one claim is right or wrong. Averages dictate the most common, and thus the most true, realities.

Now also consider this: Just because a women doesn't tend -- on average -- to build as much physical muscle mass than a man, it doesn't mean women cannot gain a significant amount of upper body strength as well. There are female body-builders and they have muscle mass up the wahzoo. But it's generally understood that while bulging muscles are not as likely to be seen on women in the amount it is on men. Despite this, women can increase their muscle strength if not muscle size.

The differences between male and female physical capabilities are, when you get right down to it, minimal at best. Men may be very slightly slower than women, but it's a gap that is small enough for men to cross over. Women may have slightly lower upper body strength, but it's a gap small enough that the differences between the two are negligible since they both can achieve the exact same results. Women may have to use slightly more energy than a men, but the end result is still the same. A perfect example of this would be archery: Women can use the same pound pulls as men do, with the sole difference being that a woman may have to use more of her strength to pull it back than a man. Despite this, she will still shoot the arrow.

So, in conclusion, men and women are different and to try and make excuses of 'why this is so' and 'how that is so' (like women not training as much, or men like math more than women are all excuses) only widens the perceived divide. This 'divide' is purely sociological -- it is really nowhere like the chasm most people envision. In order to view and treat the two sexes as equal, we must acknowledge that some things may be more difficult for men and some things may be more difficult for women, but that both can achieve those goals anyways. More effort may be required, it may be harder for one than the other, but it is still possible and still highly probable.

Now, was that all well and clearly understood? Do you understand why one sex is not greater and why both can achieve the same things?

 

[ClaireSensei]

Oh for goodness sake!

Bjork, you are not right about men being faster than women, nor are you wrong. It depends upon the individual, their body type, and their level of conditioning. Specific examples such as the ones you're primarily using are generally disregarded by any scientific research because there are always exceptions to the rule. Like women beating men at arm-wrestling -- the general trend would be that men win most of the time, but women have beaten them as well, just not in a majority of the time. So specific examples fall flat. Use only the most up-to-date averages, which we would likely see after the Olympics in 2 years.

It is outright unethical to accuse a women that set a record of using steroids. Men use steroids a lot, but any record they set isn't questioned, if I were to follow from your exemplary use of selective logic. Both men AND women should be subject to the same uncertainties -- this is called be impartial in scientific method.

SenjoOLight, being a women myself, I do not disagree with some of your arguments, but women are not ultimate beings. That being said, neither are men. The two are equal, just different. Difference does not automagically mean that one is inferior. Note that the 'different but equal' is NOT the same as the segregated rule of 'separate but equal'. Equality means, in its purest form, that the differences between two (or more) subjects is known and recognized but no action is taken against one (negatively or positively) because of that difference.

Now let me clear up some fuzz here:

Bjork, as a general rule, women do tend to be faster than men, if not in outright sprinting then definitely in actual agility. I don't know of any tests that have been developed or conducted for the agility part, but consider this:

It is acknowledged that women have greater lower body strength than men. Do not deny this. It is well-known fact. So a woman could kick a man faster and with more damage because 1) her increased lower body strength is equal to a man's upper body strength so it's rather like punching with your feet, 2) the woman can used kicking to even the odds because she can recover from it faster and women generally have a better balance recovery rate then men. It is generally this lower body strength, and average lighter weight, that makes women faster.

Now, I will reiterate, this is not the rule. No matter where you go, who you test, what test you use, you will always find where a man will best a woman in a woman-inclined trait and you will always find a woman that will best a man in a man-inclined trait. For example, you will find a woman that wrestled a man into submission or a man that used kick-boxing and won the match.

This is all based on individuals alone and therefore is null when it comes to actually proving whether one claim is right or wrong. Averages dictate the most common, and thus the most true, realities.

Now also consider this: Just because a women doesn't tend -- on average -- to build as much physical muscle mass than a man, it doesn't mean women cannot gain a significant amount of upper body strength as well. There are female body-builders and they have muscle mass up the wahzoo. But it's generally understood that while bulging muscles are not as likely to be seen on women in the amount it is on men. Despite this, women can increase their muscle strength if not muscle size.

The differences between male and female physical capabilities are, when you get right down to it, minimal at best. Men may be very slightly slower than women, but it's a gap that is small enough for men to cross over. Women may have slightly lower upper body strength, but it's a gap small enough that the differences between the two are negligible since they both can achieve the exact same results. Women may have to use slightly more energy than a men, but the end result is still the same. A perfect example of this would be archery: Women can use the same pound pulls as men do, with the sole difference being that a woman may have to use more of her strength to pull it back than a man. Despite this, she will still shoot the arrow.

So, in conclusion, men and women are different and to try and make excuses of 'why this is so' and 'how that is so' (like women not training as much, or men like math more than women are all excuses) only widens the perceived divide. This 'divide' is purely sociological -- it is really nowhere like the chasm most people envision. In order to view and treat the two sexes as equal, we must acknowledge that some things may be more difficult for men and some things may be more difficult for women, but that both can achieve those goals anyways. More effort may be required, it may be harder for one than the other, but it is still possible and still highly probable.

Now, was that all well and clearly understood? Do you understand why one sex is not greater and why both can achieve the same things?

i already understood female was not a utlimate being and i have already said no one is born equal. however every one should be equal under the law and have teh equal amount of chance to do what they wont to do.
However it is true 100% that female make better pilots.

sorry for bad grammar

 

[Dragon Mage]

Don't get me wrong, SenjoOLight: I never meant to imply that was what you were saying. But it did sound a little like the argument was spiraling that way on BOTH sides. I've seen it happen a lot in gender arguments -- when people are trying to prove themselves, they naturally drift towards the extremes. I actually saw a study on it somewhere before, but damned if I could find it again! But I definitely didn't want to accuse you of being sexist or anything; I was just trying to cool tempers a little and I sincerely apologize for any misunderstanding.

Please explain to me the 'No one is born equal.' I must be interpreting this in the wrong way, because the way you use it implies an anti-sexist view. Yet, I'm getting a different meaning from it. Enlightenment please?

On the pilots thing, I would have to look for some studies to see that -- it's still greatly dependent on personal ability, male or female. I do know that women are slightly better at shooting in one aspect (reflexes and precision) but men have the advantage of a slower average heartrate (they have a longer time when their vision is peak in the middle of a beat, so it gives them a few miliseconds to aim a bit more.) So the two come out fairly equal, in that respect.

 

[ClaireSensei]

Don't get me wrong, SenjoOLight: I never meant to imply that was what you were saying. But it did sound a little like the argument was spiraling that way on BOTH sides. I've seen it happen a lot in gender arguments -- when people are trying to prove themselves, they naturally drift towards the extremes. I actually saw a study on it somewhere before, but damned if I could find it again! But I definitely didn't want to accuse you of being sexist or anything; I was just trying to cool tempers a little and I sincerely apologize for any misunderstanding.

Please explain to me the 'No one is born equal.' I must be interpreting this in the wrong way, because the way you use it implies an anti-sexist view. Yet, I'm getting a different meaning from it. Enlightenment please?

On the pilots thing, I would have to look for some studies to see that -- it's still greatly dependent on personal ability, male or female. I do know that women are slightly better at shooting in one aspect (reflexes and precision) but men have the advantage of a slower average heartrate (they have a longer time when their vision is peak in the middle of a beat, so it gives them a few miliseconds to aim a bit more.) So the two come out fairly equal, in that respect.

First and most important. I mean no two humans or born equal every human is born different with different gifts and sadly some or born dumb weak phy and so on while others or born strong and with a great mind. Then their the weird gifts some people show in which no one else can understand how they do it. So no one is born equal means that. However teh second part means even through no one is born equal under the law every one should be treated as equals and every one no madder where you come from should have the same amount of chance as any one else to do what they wont to do. Of course their will be plenty who fails and can not do it however they should still have equal chance as any one else. To strive for what they wont. Do you understand know,

second about the pilot thing one of the main reason females or better pilots is on ave better at multy task and body's can handle more g-force easier.


sorry i seem upset i would never get upset over any type of debate no madder how long it is or how ignorant or stubborn the other is not saying any one is here just telling you.

I have never even had a temper or gotten angry at any thing this is how i am i laugh when i get stress or sad their for i never get to the point of anger.

You do know i am a guy right i may be mistaking but how you talk it seems you think i am a girl.

 

[Dragon Mage]

First and most important. I mean no two humans or born equal every human is born different with different gifts and sadly some or born dumb weak phy and so on while others or born strong and with a great mind. Then their the weird gifts some people show in which no one else can understand how they do it. So no one is born equal means that. However teh second part means even through no one is born equal under the law every one should be treated as equals and every one no madder where you come from should have the same amount of chance as any one else to do what they wont to do. Of course their will be plenty who fails and can not do it however they should still have equal chance as any one else. To strive for what they wont. Do you understand know,

Ah, yes! Okay, I see what you meant. Thank you.

second about the pilot thing one of the main reason females or better pilots is on ave better at multy task and body's can handle more g-force easier.

Oh. Good point. Never thought about that.

sorry i seem upset i would never get upset over any type of debate no madder how long it is or how ignorant or stubborn the other is not saying any one is here just telling you.

I have never even had a temper or gotten angry at any thing this is how i am i laugh when i get stress or sad their for i never get to the point of anger.

You do know i am a guy right i may be mistaking but how you talk it seems you think i am a girl.

Oh no no, you don't seem upset at all.

And yes, I know you are a guy. Do you know that I am a girl? Did I ever call you 'she' before? *looks* Nope! Haven't.

This is just how I talk. Normally. Intellectually. How'd you get the impression I thought you were a girl?

 

[ClaireSensei]

misunderstandings hopefuly finaly cleard up

Ah, yes! Okay, I see what you meant. Thank you.



Oh. Good point. Never thought about that.



Oh no no, you don't seem upset at all.

And yes, I know you are a guy. Do you know that I am a girl? Did I ever call you 'she' before? *looks* Nope! Haven't.

This is just how I talk. Normally. Intellectually. How'd you get the impression I thought you were a girl?

well on your first quote of me it sounded like you was saying i seem a bit sexist against guys. Usualy people aren't sexist of their own gender.
So I thought you thought i was a girl.
I know you or a girl easy to tell from your wrighting.

ps sorry for my eng

 

[Dragon Mage]

LMAO touche, Senjo! I didn't mean to imply that anyone was sexist against anyone else. Perhaps just a bit... strongly worded in opinions? Yes, perhaps that's the best way to phrase it.

LOL even on the internet, my writing gives me away! Oh, I'm quoting this.

Don't worry about your english, it's readable, which is far better than a number of others!