Why didn't Seymour defeat Sin?

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Doomsday

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I was told that Anima was a Final Aeon, and to be honest I kinda thought he was too because I used Anima against Jecht and they were both equally the same size and wielded power unlike anyone else in the game, with Anima's help I took Jecht apart in less then 15 minutes.


Anyway my question is if Anima was indeed a Final Aeon then why the heck didn't Seymour use him against Sin? He could've defeated Spira's worst enemy all along.
 
As I recall Seymour wanted to become Sin, but the new Sin is made up of the Final Summoning and kills the summoner. Also I am not sure Anima is a Final Aeon, Seymour's mother became a fayth, but I don't recall Yunalesca having any input.
 
Oh okay, I never really did fully understand Anima's background. I just know it's one powerful and very creepy looking Aeon..lol. First time I ever summoned Anima it was against a tiny water blob on Besaid...ROFL! yeah I know very fair right..lol.
 
Well I don't think Seymour tried to kill sin, cause he didn't want to lose his mother, and I'm not sure if they didn't fight sin then or what, Well they couldn't of used the final summoning or else Seymour would be dead and Seymours mother would of became sin...

You know the more I'm thinking of this the more confused I get about what actually happen...
 
Licky said:
As I recall Seymour wanted to become Sin, but the new Sin is made up of the Final Summoning and kills the summoner.
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Right.He could've used Anima to kill Sin,but that would have made his mother,not him,the new Sin.I believe his plan was to become Yuna's Final Aeon,but I don't know how in the world he planed on doing that after the wedding plot failed.
 
Yeah he wanted to become sin himself

i guess when the wedding etc failed
he just wanted to keep yuna's party from stopping yu-yevon
so the cycle coulnd't End
and he prob wanted to find a new summoner to make him the final Aeon
or something
 
Because the potential of him possibly being able to have Yuna in his bed was more interesting to him. :britt:
 
Now that I remember a flash back in the game where they show Seymour as a small boy crying to his mom cause he didn't want her to become a faith, she responded by saying something about using her to defeat Sin. And we all know only a Final Aeon could do that.

As much as I didn't like Seymour I can't say I blame him for not using Anima against Sin, I mean as long as he didn't summon it against Sin it wouldn't kill him. I would've probably done the same thing, I would've taken the Final Aeon and left and said hell with it..lol. I mean think about it! if you had the most powerful monster in the world at your command; that even Sin couldn't defeat who the hell is going to want to fight you?


It makes the Final Boss fight more interesting if you summon Anima,

Final Aeon VS Final Aeon (probably the first time in the history of Spira 2 Final Aeons got to go at it.) I don't know about you guys but I love a good monster smackdown!
 
Seymour wanted to become the next sin. Yu yevon posesses the final aeon and transforms it into a new sin. So in order to become sin Seymour would have to become a fayth.
 
Doomsday said:
I was told that Anima was a Final Aeon, and to be honest I kinda thought he was too because I used Anima against Jecht and they were both equally the same size and wielded power unlike anyone else in the game, with Anima's help I took Jecht apart in less then 15 minutes.


Anyway my question is if Anima was indeed a Final Aeon then why the heck didn't Seymour use him against Sin? He could've defeated Spira's worst enemy all along.
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I don't know if Anima was a Final Aeon, technically, because Seymour was just a child when his mother became a fayth....and in order to obtain the Final Aeon you must complete your pilgrimage. And I highly doubt Seymour did that at such a young age.

But then again, Seymour's mother could have gone to Lady Yunalesca and asked to become a fayth for Seymour and Yunalesca did it. In which case...it would kinda be like a Final Aeon (in that Yunalesca took Seymour's Mom's soul, willingly, from her body and created Anima). But I don't think Anima can be considered a Final Aeon since Seymour didn't complete his pilgrimage and didn't have any other Aeons.

Kinda confusing.

As for why Seymour never defeated Sin...well, that's already been answered. He wanted to become a Final Aeon and become the next Sin.


Ninja Yuffie said:
Because the potential of him possibly being able to have Yuna in his bed was more interesting to him. :britt:
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And....I lol'd. :P
 
The final aeon is personal, it changes for each person. Yuna's final aeon would have to be someone who sacrificed their self for her. So really, since Yuna uses Anima, it isn't the final aeon. (For Yuna anyway)
 
He didn't want to defeat Sin. He wanted to become the next Sin by being Yuna's Final Aeon, and after he was "killed" on Mt. Gagazet and absorbed by Sin, wanted to figure out how to control Sin (like that would ever happen).
 
Ehh, I don't think he didn't kill Sin at the time because he wanted power.

At best, Seymour was only 10 when he and his mother reached Zanarkand. Anima's fayth, aka his mama, did say Seymour spent most of his life alone aside from her.

I doubt he was very concerned with power as a boy. He seemed more concerned with the loss of her. His mother did say that after she become an aeon to give her son power to defend himself, and to be respected in Spira, but then he eventually hungered for more.

I like to think Seymour clung onto his mother, onto Anima, for sentimental reasons and just because Seymour at the time didn't really care about saving Spira, or becoming a high summoner. Meanwhile, his mother wanted people to accept him and stop treating him poorly (considering his lineage.) What better way than for the human-guado to become a high summoner?

Heh, now thinking on it...kind of a bitch thing to do...
since summoners died after fighting Sin.
...hehaha? Looks like someone's mother didn't have much faith in him. :highfive: ( :O *runs away from terrible joke*:cactaur:)

Granted, it was hinted at that his mother was going to die soon of some disease or something...blah blah...wanted to still be able to protect him, blah, wanted him to have a piece of her with him... :tehe:

:pikamon:The "becoming Sin" thing probably came later as he grew older.
 
Anima was indeed Seymour's Final Aeon. Regardless of completing the pilgrimage or not, a Final Aeon is a regular aeon to a summoner whose fayth was really close to him/her, i.e.: parent, spouse, sibling, friend. This bond is what the Final Aeon embodies, and is what makes it strong enough to fight such a powerful entity as Sin.

Seymour did not want to kill Sin because of his mother and, later on, because he wanted to become Sin. He was strongly attached to his mother: his father had sent them both to exile at Baaj, and she was the only thing he had in the world and the only one who had truly loved him.
When you go to Zanarkand, you see a flashback of him crying, beseeching his mother not to become a fayth, because she was all he had in the world and that he didn't care about how people perceived him, as long as he had her by his side.
That said, it's very simple to guess why he didn't defeat Sin.

Jyscal also said that Seymour has suffered and become twisted. No wonder: his mother was dead, his father has abandoned him, he was the sole Guado-human half-breed and both races looked down at him, as though he was an abomination. Seeing as his mother was suffering before she died, he jumped to the conclusion that only death can truly save someone from pain and suffering, and that's when he had the idea of becoming Sin. Yunalesca may have told something like that when he went there, otherwise he wouldn't know about it. And he found Yuna.

Seymour is such a tragic villain. He commits his atrocities believing that what he's doing is the right thing and will make the world a better place.
He says to the party before the second clash: "He [Kinoc] was a man who craved power. And great power he had, but he feared losing it. Trembling at unseen enemies, he spent his days scheming petty schemes. Now he has no worries. He has been granted sleep eternal. [...] If all life in Spira would end, all suffering would end. Don't you see? Do you not agree?"
 
Anima is not a final Aeon, summoning the final aeon kills the summoner, you can obtain anima later on in the game. I'm pretty sure that invalidates the claim for the Final Aeon, plus I don't think a Final Aeon can be summoned multiple times
 
Licky said:
Anima is not a final Aeon, summoning the final aeon kills the summoner, you can obtain anima later on in the game. I'm pretty sure that invalidates the claim for the Final Aeon, plus I don't think a Final Aeon can be summoned multiple times
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Summoning the Final Aeon only kills the summoner if s/he clashes with Sin. What kills the summoner is that, when the Final Aeon destroys Sin's shell, Yu Yevon emerges from Sin and merges with the Final Aeon, thus severing the powerful bond between Final Aeon and summoner and causing a psychic feedback that kills the summoner. Then, Yu Yevon uses the Final Aeon's pyreflies to create a new shell, a new Sin, and its fayth becomes Sin.

Anima is Seymour's Final Aeon. Apart from the fact that the fayth is extremely close to the summoner, the Final Aeon is no different than any other aeon. It can be summoned multiple times and used for different purposes, even if Yevon's teachings dictate that it must be used to defeat Sin. Anima's fayth was Seymour's mother and the person he was closest to. This automatically qualifies her as his Final Aeon.
She says at that memory in Zanarkand: "Use me and defeat Sin. Only then will the people accept you."
It was clear that she meant to become a fayth so that he would defeat Sin, but he cared more about being with her and never fulfilled this objective.

You can obtain Anima later in the game because she was never used for what she was created. Seymour never clashed with Sin using her. And she is still very strong for Yuna, because she is her mother-in-law and Yuna knew who she was, and she even shared a piece of Seymour's story to the party. No other fayth in other temples, apart from Bahamut, has ever done such a thing. There is no bond between these fayth and the countless summoners who pray to them: that's why they're weaker.
 
I can quite remember someone saying that it was stated on Ultimania. But the part of merging with the aeon is stated by Bahamut's fayth and shown in the final battle.
 
Seymour wasnt up to trying to defeat Sin with Anima. he was only what: 12 years old?

Later in life. because of his father, He became cracked. Killing him. He saw what Sin was doing to Spira. and Knew how the Final summoning never works.

He planned to become Sin because he wanted to commit Genocide. He thought the only way to free spira from Sin was to kill them all.

I'm not sure if he knew about Yu yevon...So....I don't think his plan wouldve worked anyway.

Besides to do the FS you need someone with a strong bond. Did Yuna and he have a strong bond?

No. lol.

His plan was destined to fail the moment he went after yuna.
 
Garland said:
Seymour wasnt up to trying to defeat Sin with Anima. he was only what: 12 years old?

Later in life. because of his father, He became cracked. Killing him. He saw what Sin was doing to Spira. and Knew how the Final summoning never works.

He planned to become Sin because he wanted to commit Genocide. He thought the only way to free spira from Sin was to kill them all.

I'm not sure if he knew about Yu yevon...So....I don't think his plan wouldve worked anyway.

Besides to do the FS you need someone with a strong bond. Did Yuna and he have a strong bond?

No. lol.

His plan was destined to fail the moment he went after yuna.
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He was 10.

I'm pretty sure that he did know about Yu Yevon: after all, he was a Maester of Yevon, pretty close to Mika... He could have known.

Um.. I'm not sure about his plan failing the moment he went after Yuna. He tried to build a strong bond with Yuna. His plan failed the moment she found out about him. If only she had never known that he was a twisted killer and genocidal, I'm pretty sure that they would have managed to build such a bond. Even before Jyscal's Sphere, he appeared many times, he would often help Yuna when she needed help and insisted upon her presence at his manor. He was obviously looking for something with her so that they had such a bond that made him a possible candidate for her fayth. But she found out and it failed. And still you see him treating her politely, even when he engages on fight with the party, and when she sent him to the Farplane, he was even accepting it, as though he wouldn't let a summoner other than Yuna send him.
 
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