Ultimate FFVI Team?

[Terra Branford]

Well, if you train with some of the best Espers at a low level, then you can make them stronger so the relic spot won't matter.

I made my teams strong without relics and then I equipped them with some great relics so they can have better weapons. I trained my Relm at level 23 to have 123 vigor and the highest hit rate.

The Merit award isn't really something to equip at a low level anyways.

 

[VinnieJones]

Well, if you train with some of the best Espers at a low level, then you can make them stronger so the relic spot won't matter.

I made my teams strong without relics and then I equipped them with some great relics so they can have better weapons. I trained my Relm at level 23 to have 123 vigor and the highest hit rate.

The Merit award isn't really something to equip at a low level anyways.

That.. kind of takes the point away from this thread though... you're basically saying that as long as you train them right then any 4 members can form a good party (which isn't wrong, mind you.).

All I'm saying is rather than having a character be able to equip Atma Weapon etc using Merit Award, I'd much rather have someone else that can already equip it without Merit Award and use that extra slot to equip, say, Miracle Shoes or something. Or give them Genji Glove + Master's Scroll rather than Merit Award + either Genji or Master's. and so on

It's a problem with VI really, you get to a point where you have so many good characters that choosing any 4 will be good enough for any enemy.

 

[Terra Branford]

No, that's not what I meant. There are some people who just can't be good: Cyan is one. He's pretty good, but his attacks aren't very powerful and he isn't really good with magic.

Some people can't be trained hard like Terra, Edgar and Sabin. Those three can be trained hard with a low level and be gods at level 20-30.

I'm just pointing out that you can make Relm freakin' strong and make her a asset to your team.

 

[VinnieJones]

So what you're basically saying is as long as you level her right then she can be good. I never remember saying anything opposing that fact

What I said:

But as a mage Relm is the best one. Her magic stat is actually the highest of all the characters.

Of course if you train her right you'll make her a good member. But that's just saying 'whoever is good at magic will make a good party member'. Seeming as there are Terra, Celes, Gau, Strago, Gogo that can do a lot more than just cast magic, I never used Relm. Her Sketch and Manipulate abilities are mostly useless apart from learning Blue Magic.

If you have Terra, Celes, Strago and Gau who can all hit 9999 with Ultima (perfectly capable as they're all good with magic anyway, plus your point of training them right) whilst being able to equip swords (Terra), use Runic (Celes), cast Big Guard/Force Field (Strago) and have great overall stats (Gau), then I don't see Relm with her massive magic but nothing else fitting in.

Early on in the game is where Cyan, who you mentioned, is actually very useful. His first sword skill ignores defence, which will pretty much kill any enemy early on in one hit. When you don't have many useful magic and weapons and when the enemies have quite high defence (eg. machine ones), he and Sabin are so much better than Locke, Terra.

I know this is your thread but the title is 'Ultimate team'. You can only fit 4 into the team and Relm will never fit in in my one, no matter how good you make her; there are others with either better abilities or better overall stats. That is all I'm saying.

Of course, she's useful, I agree. She's a good backup in case everything goes wrong in the last battle. But she'll never make my first choice 4.

 

[Discordius]

Terra, actually the Merit Award allows characters to equip Ultima Weapon in Final Fantasy VI Advance, even though some guides say you can't.

 

[Terra Branford]

In Advance? I never tried it in that. But in the PS1 version, it doesn't allow you to. Bug or something? My copy never allowed me to, yet I have the faintest memory of equipping Strago with it lol


@Ichiro:
I said it for the armor thing, remember?

 

[Sum1sgruj]

I used Locke, Celes, Edgar, and Terra. But thats because I like my team well-rounded. Conquered everything with them, though.
For me, it's not about the ultimate team. It's about which characters NOT to use in general /most likely because they suck or have a major flaw, like Rinoa's limit break (FF8)/

 

[Sepalcure]

The team I prefer to use at the moment for crazy training purposes are: Locke, Celes Sabin, and Edgar. I'll just give you a breakdown of stats, equipment, and relics and what I used each member for.

LOCKE - Lvl. 23/HP 994/1003/MP 294/294
Equips: Moonring Blade, Heavy Shield, Green Beret, Ninja Gear
Relics: Brigand's Glove, Hyper Wrist
Role: Thief, duh. Lol. Secondary Tank

CELES - Lvl. 23/HP 888/888/MP 249/302
Equips: Chain Flail, Mythril Shield, Bandana, White Dress
Relics: Hero's Ring, White Cape
Role: Tank, Mage

SABIN - Lvl. 22/HP 849/849/ MP 275/275
Equips: Burning Fist & Kaiser Knuckles, Twist Headband, Ninja Gear
Relics: Genji Glove, Barrier Ring
Role: Tank, tank, tank! Yup, that's all he does, absorbs damage like a mo'fo on my team.

EDGAR - Lvl. 21/HP 846/846/ MP 263/263
Equips: Mythril Spear, Mythril Shield, Green Beret, Mythril Vest
Relics: Knight's Code, Mythril Glove
Role: Tank, supporter dude.

So yeah I might switch the beloved Genji Glove over to Locke so I can optimize him with two new weapons, just for experimentation purposes.

Celes is already a powerhouse by herself but Edgar can easily support her, even at such a low level. He already has the Chainsaw tool which is a godsend. I'm glad I nipped it from Zozo when I did. I use that every chance I get and then finish it off with the indispensable Auto Tools. 10 levels later and that tool is still as fresh, it grows with him, damage wise. He does a nice hefty 500+ damage with that and around 1000+ damage with Chainsaw alone. Sabin, being my tank powerhouse, when he's equipped with Burning Fist and Kaiser Knuckles can do up to 800-900+ damage on a single enemy.

But I'm curious to see how Locke fares with the Air Knife and the Moonring Blade, so I'm going to try that out ASAP.

 

[Terra Branford]

Wow, thanks for the contribution, Sneakerpimp! I'm sure that'll help people wanting to have the same team!

@sum1sgruj:
That's the team I most use.

But since Kefka's tower calls for everyone to be strong, or to form different teams, I usually put Relm with Setzer along with Yeti/Mog. They make a perfect team, almost. I like putting Sabin with Cyan, Shadow and Gau. Since they are pure strength in battles lol

I hardly use Strago... >.>

 

[Rasputin]

Cyan is one. He's pretty good, but his attacks aren't very powerful and he isn't really good with magic.

Q: What is "Psycho" Cyan?

A: Generally speaking, it is a glitch that allows Cyan to continuously
attack the enemies, uninterupted, until they are all dead. To do this,
have Cyan use the Retort ability (SwdTech 2). Then cast Imp on him.
Use an attack that kills him in one hit or several magic attacks (the
important thing is to kill him without triggering Retort). Now revive
him and use the "Fight" command with anyone. At this point, the still
Imp'ed Cyan will simply continue to attack until all enemies are dead.

Anyways, all you need to beat anything in the game is Terra, Sabin and Edgar. All of the other characters are either gimmicks or simply do not do enough raw damage to be worth training. If you need more damage for a battle, use one of Gau's ridiculous damage combos, if you need more defense use Ceres and have her spam heal. I've never seen the point of using a "tank" in this game, if you have your main healer do nothing but cast your most powerful healing spell on the whole party every single turn, you should never run out of HP.

 

[Discordius]

Anyways, all you need to beat anything in the game is Terra, Sabin and Edgar. All of the other characters are either gimmicks or simply do not do enough raw damage to be worth training. If you need more damage for a battle, use one of Gau's ridiculous damage combos, if you need more defense use Ceres and have her spam heal. I've never seen the point of using a "tank" in this game, if you have your main healer do nothing but cast your most powerful healing spell on the whole party every single turn, you should never run out of HP.

Sabin doesn't belong in there. His equipment draw isn't good compared to the others, and his skill set is useless outside of Phantom Rush. And Phantom Rush has no edge in damage if compared with magic, nor is it as reliable.

Also, some characters are good with combos, that can easily break the damage cap, such as Locke and Setzer with Master's Scroll, and Mog and Edgar with Draggon Boots and Dragon Horn. They all equip better stuff than Sabin can, their defense is higher and they do more damage.

 

[Rasputin]

Sabin doesn't belong in there. His equipment draw isn't good compared to the others, and his skill set is useless outside of Phantom Rush. And Phantom Rush has no edge in damage if compared with magic, nor is it as reliable.

Are you bloody well kidding me? Sabin's more powerful Blitz attacks vastly outpower magic for the entirety of the storyline, and they don't have the obscenely high MP cost (though that can eventually be reduced). Give him decent equipment and he can do as much damage with single physical attacks as any other character. He's probably the most useful character in the entire game- being able to deal 2-3 times as much damage as any other character's physical attack can make the difference in many boss battles.

Also, some characters are good with combos, that can easily break the damage cap, such as Locke and Setzer with Master's Scroll, and Mog and Edgar with Draggon Boots and Dragon Horn. They all equip better stuff than Sabin can, their defense is higher and they do more damage.

It's completely irrelevant what characters you're using once you break the damage cap. If we're talking technicalities, then at that point Gau and Relm can be made the most powerful set of attackers in the game, as they do more damage with the right setup than any other characters. But you can breeze through monsters with just about any group if you're using game breaking items like the Master's Scroll, so I don't see why anyone would pick favorites at that point. You might as well claim Strago is the best because he does a ton of damage with Doublecast and MP reduction items on.

What I do know is that through the vast majority of the game, Locke and Setzer are utter tripe. Their abilities are completely useless and they barely do any damage in combat. By the time Setzer gets a weapon that is actually effective in combat (the Trump item), monsters start showing up in droves that are all immune to it's random instant death effect. Both characters are annoying as hell in the storyline to boot.

 

[Terra Branford]

His general attack isn't very strong. Well, with Relm and Strago he's strong, but out of the heavy set people that do more damage when you get them, he isn't in the top four, let only three. His Sword Techs are great, and yes, that bug in the game is also great. But there are plenty of bugs in the game that could make other people even stronger than Cyan.

Sabin's Blitz are very powerful, he's a muscle man.

What I do know is that through the vast majority of the game, Locke and Setzer are utter tripe. Their abilities are completely useless and they barely do any damage in combat. By the time Setzer gets a weapon that is actually effective in combat (the Trump item), monsters start showing up in droves that are all immune to it's random instant death effect. Both characters are annoying as hell in the storyline to boot.

You get on me for claiming Cyan isn't that strong, but you claim Locke and Setzer's skills are useless? You find the characters annoying in the story and you let that effect the outcome of your experience with them? You used a technical bug (may bad, a glitch) in the game to show Cyan's strength? When clearly he was exploited (helped greatly) by a technical glitch in the game?

All characters are great, just because you don't like Setzer and Locke doesn't mean they are useless.

 

[Discordius]

Are you bloody well kidding me? Sabin's more powerful Blitz attacks vastly outpower magic for the entirety of the storyline, and they don't have the obscenely high MP cost (though that can eventually be reduced). Give him decent equipment and he can do as much damage with single physical attacks as any other character. He's probably the most useful character in the entire game- being able to deal 2-3 times as much damage as any other character's physical attack can make the difference in many boss battles.

No it doesn't. Give the enemy one elemental weakness (most have them), and good mages will do just as mucha damage. In the post game they'll do more damage.

It's completely irrelevant what characters you're using once you break the damage cap. If we're talking technicalities, then at that point Gau and Relm can be made the most powerful set of attackers in the game, as they do more damage with the right setup than any other characters. But you can breeze through monsters with just about any group if you're using game breaking items like the Master's Scroll, so I don't see why anyone would pick favorites at that point. You might as well claim Strago is the best because he does a ton of damage with Doublecast and MP reduction items on.

No. Equipment draw is just as much of a character trait as skill set is. If Setzer and Locke have weapons that are good with Master's scroll, then they should receive it and credit for being excepcionally good with it.
All the rest of their equipment is bettter than what Sabin gets as well.
If you think this set up works with everyone, then give it to Sabin and be disappointed with the results.

What I do know is that through the vast majority of the game, Locke and Setzer are utter tripe. Their abilities are completely useless and they barely do any damage in combat. By the time Setzer gets a weapon that is actually effective in combat (the Trump item), monsters start showing up in droves that are all immune to it's random instant death effect. Both characters are annoying as hell in the storyline to boot.

About Locke, you're correct. But he's better than Sabin from the Floating Continent on, unless you're level 30 or more. About Setzer, his slots are more powerful than Blitz, his armor selection is nicer, and he has good weapons.
About the storyline, I am not sure why you even incuded that. I'm not buying your opinion.

 

[Terra Branford]

No. Equipment draw is just as much of a character trait as skill set is. If Setzer and Locke have weapons that are good with Master's scroll, then they should receive it and credit for being excepcionally good with it.

I don't agree that Sabin's equipment is bad, but I agree that if a character is better with, let's say Master's Scroll, than others, that said character should receive credit for it, since the others don't do well with it.

About Locke, you're correct. But he's better than Sabin from the Floating Continent on, unless you're level 30 or more. About Setzer, his slots are more powerful than Blitz, his armor selection is nicer, and he has good weapons.
About the storyline, I am not sure why you even incuded that. I'm not buying your opinion.

He or she, is clearly biased. S/he showed that when s/he said Locke and Setzer are bad characters (this happening after showing me a glitch Cyan uses for power) and even more so when s/he talked about the storyline they follow.

What I do know is that through the vast majority of the game, Locke and Setzer are utter tripe. Their abilities are completely useless and they barely do any damage in combat. By the time Setzer gets a weapon that is actually effective in combat (the Trump item), monsters start showing up in droves that are all immune to it's random instant death effect. Both characters are annoying as hell in the storyline to boot.

Also, they didn't put the death spell on the weapon for someone to have it constantly cause death on the enemies. You know how easy the game would be? Its a feature to the weapon, not really a "why don't you cast death on everything?"

Its like Atma weapon. It has a nice feature to it, increases damage when HP increases. Think of how stupid it would have been to have Setzer's weapon cast death...all the time.