The LOCP Thread

Sekhu

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I said something about sharing out opinions in a very legal way about a certain website, and the reason noted for closing the thread was:
Darkblade said:
Yeah and that's the main reason why I am going to close this worthless thread, you know, seeing as it is the best forums on this planet. :lol:
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I'm not sure I'm following your reasoning here. You're closing the thread because LOCP is good? What are you going to do next, close the Favorite Cereal thread because Count Chocula is good? Please explain why we can't talk about a website between ourselves, and please amend your Terms and Conditions to include this rule so next time I try to share an opinion, I can stop myself. Thanks.
 
Oh would you stop mentioning about the Terms & Conditions everytime? Final Fantasy Forums is a place to discuss about the Final Fantasy series, it's not a place where you could discuss about other websites or forums and beg for the other member's opinions for that site.

You could have at least made the thread in the spam forum instead. And lemme ask you this. Since when the LOCP forum has been given the name "best forum around"? Did they even won the BOTM (Board of the Month) contest which is officially ran by the vBulletin team? Hmph... well I do not see LOCP being listed there on the BOTM page (http://www.vbulletin.com/botm.php) unless they are running an illegal copy of vBulletin. ;)
 
I'm not going to try and justify why Darkblade closed the thread, because to tell you the truth, I don't know why. However, I will tell you why I, personally, would have closed it anyway.

As you know, the LOCP has caused much controversy regarding Sar and Abel, sort of putting a "hush" on the topic. We've been told of many members coming over from there, with many bad reputations. We've also been informed of some of the content allowed on LOCP, which is definitely not permitted here. Fair enough, different forums, different rules. However, it's disputable whether it's wrong or not to be discussing this other forum here, considering past events surrounding this.

If it bothers you so much that the thread was deleted, why not just post it on another forum that DOES allow it? These are FINAL FANTASY forums, with the exception of the spam section, where the thread would likely have actually been allowed to stay, by my standards anyway. If you don't want to discuss anything FF related, then don't argue with any of the "terms and conditions", because they are built around our forums, not any other.
 
I don't understand why it wasn't moved to spam, then. You guys are always tossing anything you regard as insubstantial or that you want to devalue in the spam forum. Why not this thread? It seems like a perfectly reasonable question, so don't ban me.
 
Riku said:
If it bothers you so much that the thread was deleted, why not just post it on another forum that DOES allow it?
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Because I thinks it's allowed here. I see nothing in your rules saying otherwise. I posted it in a general chat forum, not a Final Fantasy one (I think), and even it'd be fine in spam, I would have accepted that. But closed? I still don't get it.
 
If it was an attempt at advertising, I would have closed it. If it was in the wrong section, I might have moved it. But if it had no other place to go, I would have closed it. If the thread was filled with flames and inappropriate posts, and it wasn't already a part of spam (well, I guess that doesn't matter anyways because spam doesn't mean you can flame) I would have closed it.
 
Okay, now explain to me what relevance that speech has on the current situation, and reopen the thread while you're at it.
 
Do you think it's alright for you to post about a website that contains pornographic content on a forum like FFF that's about Final Fantasy, and does not tolerate porn?
 
Yes.

Did we link to the site? Are we talking about the pornographic content? No and no. And what pornographic content are you talking about, the icon for the site which is a 15x15 MS Paint image of boobs? Haha, give me a break!
 
Possibly. But someone mentioned that it contains pornographic content. And it's not that difficult to Google LOCP and find it. It would be like discussing a porn site without talking about the actual porn on it.
 
I believe it was Cool Teen who said "LOCP has porn", which, as Sephiroth has said, is still discussing a porn site.

Sekhu, there can't be a specific guideline saying "No posting of LOCP", you have to adapt the rules to all your posts.

Again, if it bothers you so much, then why not go and post that thread in a forum that actually will allow it?
 
We can't discuss a porn site? I don't see anything legally preventing me from just talking about a porn site, even if LOCP was a porn site, which it isn't. Sure, when you reach a certain number of posts, you can request to view the porn forum, but it's nothing just anybody can see at a glance. LOCP is not a porn site, it's the forum for an upload/ftp/filesharing site.

So considering nothing vulgar was said, nothing vulgar could have been said, nor did we have any intent to bring anything vulgar up other than the fact that there is porn somewhere on the site, I'm still unsure why it was closed. How about a real explanation, preferrably with proof from your Terms and Conditions?
 
Legal said:
The owners of Final Fantasy Forums reserves the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason.
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In other words, we can close your threads at our own discretion, if we do not deem it appropriate.

You may think it's not fair, and that we're being mean, but the fact is, this is a forum, not real life, your account is a priviledge, not a right, and your posting access is also a priviledge, not a right. If you don't like it, you can simply leave; this isn't a place where "your" sense of "justice" applies.

FFF is not a forum where you can spread the word about LOCP if it has porn in it. It doesn't matter if that was your intent; other people who didn't know about it before would have seen it that way.
 
Legal said:
The owners of Final Fantasy Forums reserves the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason.
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I'm just trying to find out what your reason is. Better, I've been attempting to prove you had no reason at all, which has been pretty much successfully shown in this thread. Go ahead and re-open it. Thanks.
 
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One, it's not my reason; I didn't close that thread and two, two other staff members have provided reasons why they would have closed it or did close it. You can choose to see it as they didn't have a reason to close your thread because you don't consider it an appropriate reason, but who asked you? We're simply doing our jobs.
 
Sekhu said:
So considering nothing vulgar was said, nothing vulgar could have been said, nor did we have any intent to bring anything vulgar up other than the fact that there is porn somewhere on the site, I'm still unsure why it was closed. How about a real explanation, preferrably with proof from your Terms and Conditions?
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Before I say the following, I would just like to say that was Sephiroth has stated is 100% correct, so you'd do well to take the information on board.

There was potential in that thread for "vulgar" posts. Let's take the member picture discussion thread, for example. I warned both you and Sekhu about what you were saying, but you did it anyway, resulting in a ban for one of you. Even if we had given the thread a chance, I find it extremely difficult to believe you would comply, no questions asked, because that's simply not you, as I've gathered from around the forums.

I'll just repeat Sephiroth: having your account is a priveledge, not a right, because you have only chosen to become a member. Your membership is not a compulsory thing, so when you join, you have to comply. It would prove beneficial to yourself and others if you would just listen to that.

The LOCP thread will be remaining closed.
 
Yeah, this thread has gone over the edge. Close it so I can make another one.

But really, what potential was there for vulgarity in the LOCP thread? I don't get it. There's porn somewhere in the forums; that's all, it was said, it's over. I don't know why you're so fascinated that we have porn. Our members are either old enough or mature enough to handle such things, and if they're neither we ban them to protect their innocence. Don't assume what's going to happen in a thread; you obviously had no idea what the point was with the LOCP thread if it was closed for that reason.
 
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