I'm quite curious to see what everyone thinks to this topic. How far do you think teachers should be able to go to discipline school children? A long shout? A punishment? Exclusion? A clip round the ear? The belt?
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Teachers and Discipline
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Good old fashioned beating, from what i've seen in my classes people get away with murder, someone left the class for the "toilet" today actually he fucked off for a ciggy.
I don't want to sound right wing, but sometimes a good old fashioned corporal punishment works.
I don't want to sound right wing, but sometimes a good old fashioned corporal punishment works.
With the current problems in the UK with regards to chavs and neds then I would say have the belt brought back. Teachers are given less and less protection from students like these and harsher punishments need to be brought into place, you'll find that most who had the belt when they were younger would say that it did them good but of course care would have to be taken to make sure that it's not abused.
It sounds a bit harsh, but I think this loud shouting is a load of bollocks. For the kids that seriously need straightening out, shouting isn't going to do a thing. The might as well not say anything at all. I saw this happen today. Some girl was sent into our class, and was being shouted at, so she just walked out. Now if teachers were allowed to use the cane or belt again, would she have even dared to think that? I doubt it!
What I find to be quite an effective method of reforming is to give them a reality check - tell them that continuing to truant class X will effect their exams, which will effect their employment, which will effect their income, which will ultimately decide what kind of life you lead, in financial terms.
That seems to make some of them run to their seats :]
That seems to make some of them run to their seats :]
Doesn't work here. People couldn't careless, hence why I think beatings would work
Exclusions a joke - they skive off so what happens when they return? there excluded - kinda defeats the object of "punishment" there.
And as for shouting....well it works wonders on year 7 and 8s but on the older ones - especially the chavs in my year they just regard the whole shouting thing as a joke.
for example in my maths class on chav was being told to get out and do his work on the corridor - he refused - but when the maths teacher went to get the head of the maths department he went and sat outside and said she was lying o_0 then he got shouted out - then he started laughing.
What a sad punishment. we need one that actually has an effect.
And as for shouting....well it works wonders on year 7 and 8s but on the older ones - especially the chavs in my year they just regard the whole shouting thing as a joke.
for example in my maths class on chav was being told to get out and do his work on the corridor - he refused - but when the maths teacher went to get the head of the maths department he went and sat outside and said she was lying o_0 then he got shouted out - then he started laughing.
What a sad punishment. we need one that actually has an effect.
Nah, that doesn't work for most people. It does for me, but the chavs couldn't give a damn. Sorry to get all stereotypical here, but they are the main culprits, and they need force to set them right. I think Mrs. Trunchbull has a good method xD
Trust me mate, never works. They know why their in school in the first place and just don't care.
Another solution is to bring back National Service for chavs and the like, if you've seen Bad Lads Army then you'll see prove there of how that can make a difference.
I prefer not to have the National Service, I can agree with smacking them with something, I don't agree with National Service, awfully right wing which I'm against.
Besides not always chavs or whatever you want to call them, I prefer cunts as it just labels everyone irritating, there's scene kids there's general bastards who fuck about and such.
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A direct insult. I mean not being pleasant but say "You fatass!"
The only way people will listen to you is when you insult them unfortunately.
The only way people will listen to you is when you insult them unfortunately.
Its tough stuff. I mean, you can't do jack about anything here in the US. Just giving you a small discipline thing that you have to do or you wont be able to graduate is the closest thing that I had at my school.
Then again, there's the extreme. In a bunch of other countries they are allowed to hit. I may be wrong, but I think Japan is one of them. And look at their education system. Yea, it's great academically, but there is a lot of violence that goes unaired .
And at that point, then who do the parents trust. The students or the teachers. Some teachers would become corrupt with "power". Then again, sometimes the students feel invincible and teachers cant do jack.
It's an issue that is hard to resolve cause it takes so much balance. I don't think corporal punishment would work. Plus, I think it'd cause more problems. Kids running away and suicide.
The way I see the future heading.
A) Kids are brainwashed with drugs to be totally obidient and be a sponge and sit.
B) Schools become like prisons were you can't leave or get in at certain times and it's like martial law.
C) Continues along the same line where nothing progresses and students take advantage of the school and abuse the system
Then again, there's the extreme. In a bunch of other countries they are allowed to hit. I may be wrong, but I think Japan is one of them. And look at their education system. Yea, it's great academically, but there is a lot of violence that goes unaired .
And at that point, then who do the parents trust. The students or the teachers. Some teachers would become corrupt with "power". Then again, sometimes the students feel invincible and teachers cant do jack.
It's an issue that is hard to resolve cause it takes so much balance. I don't think corporal punishment would work. Plus, I think it'd cause more problems. Kids running away and suicide.
The way I see the future heading.
A) Kids are brainwashed with drugs to be totally obidient and be a sponge and sit.
B) Schools become like prisons were you can't leave or get in at certain times and it's like martial law.
C) Continues along the same line where nothing progresses and students take advantage of the school and abuse the system
If the child learns a good idea of what is right and wrong from an early age then it'll be fine, but parents do on occasion don't care what their kids get up to and so they don't learn these lessons and so bring that behavior into school.
Corporal Punishment worked back in the day and would help now to an extent, it shouldn't have to be the main deterrent against this problem but it would help if the source was sorted out in the long run.
Corporal Punishment worked back in the day and would help now to an extent, it shouldn't have to be the main deterrent against this problem but it would help if the source was sorted out in the long run.
Fields
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Is that why you want to teach english in Japan. XD
I think that teachers should only have the abilities that they have here legally in the states...some stupid discipline: put a kid in the corner or send him to the office or give them detention. Sure, it's not gonna reform him, but that's not really the teacher's job description. I don't think any serious punishments should ever be given unless its by the parents, ie anything physical. If a teacher EVER thought about hitting me, even when I was young, it would probably lead to a retaliation, and if one of my future offspring were to, it would take all my power not to go down to the school and give a retaliation.
Teachers are educators, not disciplinarians.
OmniscientOnus
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I'm torn. Part of me says that bringing back corporal punishment would be a great idea. After all, a lot of the kids who are only acting tough would get the idea after the first smack or two.
On the other hand, I've talked to my parents and grandparents before about it, and while they said that it was a good thing overall, they also seemed like they lived a lot of their life in fear. Most of the time they said that after the teacher hit you, you got home and then your parents hit you for having to be hit by the teacher. Since I don't think that teachers have the ability to even be right all the time about when a child is truly acting up, and when it is a mistake, I don't know if they should be given that power. It's also becoming more and more difficult to notice each individual who is causing the problem with larger class sizes.
I think that if, perhaps, they were to shrink down class sizes (I don't know where they would get the necessary amount of capable teachers for that), and make sure that the teachers they did have actually cared about the students, that we could solve most of the problems right there.
Of course, I think the main problem with these kids is the parents. If they started doing their job and actually acting like parents, we wouldn't have half the problem we have now to begin with and this most likely wouldn't be so a big issue.
If I had to vote right now, I think I would have to vote for the return of corporal punishment. I just don't see more negative than positive coming of it. If the parents aren't going to do their job, someone has to.
On the other hand, I've talked to my parents and grandparents before about it, and while they said that it was a good thing overall, they also seemed like they lived a lot of their life in fear. Most of the time they said that after the teacher hit you, you got home and then your parents hit you for having to be hit by the teacher. Since I don't think that teachers have the ability to even be right all the time about when a child is truly acting up, and when it is a mistake, I don't know if they should be given that power. It's also becoming more and more difficult to notice each individual who is causing the problem with larger class sizes.
I think that if, perhaps, they were to shrink down class sizes (I don't know where they would get the necessary amount of capable teachers for that), and make sure that the teachers they did have actually cared about the students, that we could solve most of the problems right there.
Of course, I think the main problem with these kids is the parents. If they started doing their job and actually acting like parents, we wouldn't have half the problem we have now to begin with and this most likely wouldn't be so a big issue.
If I had to vote right now, I think I would have to vote for the return of corporal punishment. I just don't see more negative than positive coming of it. If the parents aren't going to do their job, someone has to.
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Hmm, personally, I think that a long shout should be as far as they should go. They really have no right to hit children since it is not their own. I mean, how do you think parents (that does not even hit their own children) would feel if they find out that teachers are taking such actions?
In my country, they used the belt on us. Well, not me since I was a good student...but the teachers were allowed to use the belt on students. They would take them inside a room and sometimes we could hear the students crying and yelping. I mean, I can understand that this method does help maintain student's attitudes in school...but it is way too much! It is not the teacher's responsibilities to keep tabs on their student's attitude. Sure, they can influence the students and teach them...but that is all.
In my country, they used the belt on us. Well, not me since I was a good student...but the teachers were allowed to use the belt on students. They would take them inside a room and sometimes we could hear the students crying and yelping. I mean, I can understand that this method does help maintain student's attitudes in school...but it is way too much! It is not the teacher's responsibilities to keep tabs on their student's attitude. Sure, they can influence the students and teach them...but that is all.
I don't know. Part of me says bring back the whip because most kids are so out of control and they beat the crap out of each other on a regular basis any way. And parents expect schools to discipline their children, but the slightest discipline gets teachers fired and in jail.
And part of me says no to the whip because some teachers could abuse it and go way to far with it.
And part of me says no to the whip because some teachers could abuse it and go way to far with it.
The fact is, you can't make A students out of everyone, and the teacher shouldn't really care too much about that either. There are certain students who will never change, no matter what you do to them. All you can do is tell them off, and if they disrupt class, then remove them from class. They deserve not to learn if they choose to act the way they do, even though you've told them what would happen. Clearly, they don't care, and you might have a better time spending more energy on some students who actually are willing to learn.
I think that if a kid is messin' around and school and not doing what he's supposed to most of the time, he needs to be smacked with the belt. His parents most likely aren't doing it, since he/she isn't showing respect at school in the first place. For the teachesr who can't do this, the kids should be sent to a 'disciplinary person'. If they can't make good grades, thats one thing. It should be realized that not all students can keep going to the top and stay ontop. Some just aren't made for that. But if they harass other students, hurt people, or constanstly do nothing, they should get punished.
It's quite sad at my school. Most teachers care less about what you do. Even when somebody does get caught by a teacher that cares, that person usually only gets their parents called, a detention, or maybe in/out school suspension. At they worst, like if their taking drugs in school, or they seriously hurt somebody, the police could get called or they go to juevenile hall. I know their are drugs, cigerettes, sexual harassment and more going around my school, I hear and see about it all the time, but it's not like anybodys doing anything.
It's quite sad at my school. Most teachers care less about what you do. Even when somebody does get caught by a teacher that cares, that person usually only gets their parents called, a detention, or maybe in/out school suspension. At they worst, like if their taking drugs in school, or they seriously hurt somebody, the police could get called or they go to juevenile hall. I know their are drugs, cigerettes, sexual harassment and more going around my school, I hear and see about it all the time, but it's not like anybodys doing anything.
The question you should be asking is if there is anything you can do about them that will make them stop doing it. So people say corporal punishment works, but I don't believe it does. Violence never solved anything.