Suicide

[Donald Trump]

Suicide is a permanent solution to a short-term crisis

argh the dreaded cliche

we are all going to die, suicide gives us power over how and when, that is ultimate control, not ultimate self defeat.
suicide is not a thing that someone just decides to do, they think about it, weigh it up.

Anyhow, apart from the whole illness scenario, name one situation that can't be solved using a legitimate method and must turn to suicide to solve it

depression, bi-polar, schizophrenia, grief, nihilism, honour

 

[Erythritol]

depression, bi-polar, schizophrenia, grief, nihilism, honour

With the exception of the last two, all of those are clinically treatable to some extent. I know someone who is bipolar. She's extremely pleasant and likeable. I'd be really upset if she ever killed herself. Speaking to her and watching the way she interacts with others, you would never suspect she has bipolar disorder. Depression is also treatable. Schizophrenia is also treatable, though not as successfully. Grief gets better with time. Nihilism is...stupid. I won't really touch that one. I suppose I can understand a soldier killing himself for honor. The others, however, are no reason for suicide. Billions of people go through really difficult times, and millions of people have mental illnesses. People who commit suicide just can't handle it, I guess. That's weakness.

Suicide is not the ultimate control. Yeah, life is shit sometimes. That's the way it is. Life can also be really great. Robbing yourself of the great times to come because you're stuck at a low point is so stupid. No one-- unless you are living in some sort of third world nation with a civil war-- experiences complete pain all the time. While it's true that we all die, we don't all die young. Or at least we shouldn't. I realize that statistically the elderly comprise a large percentage of suicides. I suppose if you're very old, your quality of life has deteriorated, and your spouse is deceased, suicide makes sense to some. I guess I can't really blame the elderly. But even then, they probably have family and friends.

Sort of went off on a tangent there....in any case, I don't think there are many situations that are completely non-fixable and require suicide. It's a selfish act.

 

[Leki]

mayb its considered illegal so people cant say the law is encouraging it. if they said yea its ok to kill yourself, families of suicide victims would probably get angry and say its their fault for saying its allowed

I think alot of that is the truth.... there could be cases and such over it, I believe, since people can be totally irrational with such, and it would all go to heck... I also think it's illegal as a 'scare mechanism'. Alot of people obey the laws, at least to a good extent, and if its illegal, its bad. People avoid doing openly bad things. People can also get prosecuted for it if they survive the attempt, and that might help persuade them to not do it again.

No one is completely disconnected from the world. People always have ties. Killing yourself really negatively impacts your friends, family, etc.

I agree that people are never disconnected completely, but what if their connections are bad and rotten? They even may have some smaller aquaintances that are good, but what if the people that should have meant (or are) important to you are really horrible to you, or just... going down the drain? it would be soooo hard having to live without someone close to you to help hold you up when your down.

Guah, I hate emo kids. Y-Y I think most teenagers don't have an actively good head on their shoulders, and most teenagers are stupid for throwing their lives away, but I think there are alot of cases where its not as stupid. Even if there are good times ahead, as someone said in this thread, you still have to remember the bad times, or they can plague you. Icertainly am plagued by lots of things that I can't reverse.

 

[DarkSquall]

Suicide is stupid and the guy who suicide is fucking selfish coz the people who suicide don't think about there families and what will happen to them after they died.

 

[der Astronom]

While it's true that we all die, we don't all die young. Or at least we shouldn't. I realize that statistically the elderly comprise a large percentage of suicides. I suppose if you're very old, your quality of life has deteriorated, and your spouse is deceased, suicide makes sense to some. I guess I can't really blame the elderly. But even then, they probably have family and friends.

When you die is only relative to how much you get out of life. If your life is consistently filled with suffering, it might be better to have a shorter life. Getting to be very old doesn't sound very much like fun because you can't do very much when you're old, and all the stuff you used to do might just become boring. I consider my life fulfilled and worth it if it were short and happy.

I know you might also disagree, but such is my view of life and needs no correcting.

 

[Stella]

ok now im really confused. somebody told me yesterday that suicide itself isnt illegal, but assisting someone who wants to commit suicide is. which one is it?

 

[der Astronom]

It could very well be both, though suicide being illegal is redundant, so it wouldn't matter whether or not it were illegal. However, assisting someone with suicide still means you're alive, so you would have to take whatever punishment it is they give you.

 

[Leki]

ok now im really confused. somebody told me yesterday that suicide itself isnt illegal, but assisting someone who wants to commit suicide is. which one is it?

Well, methinks it depends from state-to-state, and country-to-country, an' such.... but if you assist, it could also be considered murder, since your helping kill a person, whether their willing or not. Also, how do they know that you just didn't just decide to off the person, and blame it on suicide???

 

[Bambi]

Suicide is stupid and the guy who suicide is fucking selfish coz the people who suicide don't think about there families and what will happen to them after they died.

That's a little black and white, sure it's selfish but if you are in the frame of mind were you actually want o kill yourself and im talking seriously, not just some emo attention seeking thing, then you tend not to think rationally or indeed of the consequences to your loved ones

All problems can be overcome. Yeah, I agree with that but if you've reached the bottom of that pit called despair you can't often see that there is always another way out, it's basically just thinking about ending the pain/mental anguish or whatever & nothing else

Alot of the time people who are on the brink of suicide often think that their families and friends will be better off without them because all they are doing is dragging them down with them. They just feel like a burden

Not everyone has the strength to carry on living

It could very well be both, though suicide being illegal is redundant, so it wouldn't matter whether or not it were illegal. However, assisting someone with suicide still means you're alive, so you would have to take whatever punishment it is they give you.

Assisted suicide is illegal over here, im pretty sure of it