Suicide (a discussion)

[Holic]

Tonight was a weird night. Nothing went right. I figured there would be a party tonight, and there wasn't. I broke my roommate's TV accidentally. I ruined ramen noodles....seriously, how the hell do you ruin ramen noodles.

And then I get this IM from my younger bro's now ex-girlfriend.
HisExGirlfriend (12:27:38 AM): have you talked to josh today or yesterday?
museic1021 (12:25:35 AM): no
museic1021 (12:26:11 AM): he mad again
HisExGirlfriend (12:28:26 AM): over the edge mad..

HisExGirlfriend (12:29:11 AM): he called my house yesterday threating to kill himself so my mom and me went over and told your dad or whatever.. and I don't think they take me seriously..
HisExGirlfriend (12:29:53 AM): and about 20 minutes ago Josh made me say bye to him because he was apparantly "getting away"
HisExGirlfriend (12:30:08 AM): and I'm just concenered so I have decided I would try you.

So yea, I call him up right away and talk to him a bit. After a 7 minute convo (mainly me talking cause he wouldn't), he hangs up on me. It's 12:30 pm, less than 30 degrees out, and he's walking around outside cause I can hear cars. Needless to say, I'm worried and all the situations pop up in my head of what could happen.

And I called my mom, who just minutes before had found the note. She was crying. And I had to talk her through it.

Then i call my sister and had her call him and leave a voice message.

I call him back about 40 minutes later and I get his voice message. Crazy worried now.

5 minutes later my mom calls me back and says he is home.



And now I wonder, is it going to happen again and will it become a more serious situation next time? I'm sure it will happen again. He's a teenager and this isn't the first time he has ran away. I do not think it will be worse next time though. I hope he has realized some things now.

End of my rant.
Have you ever thought about suicide or had to deal with someone who did?

I have. In the end, I realized it was useless and it accomplished nothing. For some reason, it takes a while to realize that when you're young.

EDIT: I wish I could change the thread title. I didnt really set it up to be a discussion. It was more of a rant

 

[Aztec Triogal]

Have you ever thought about suicide or had to deal with someone who did?

Although I doubt I'd ever do anything about it, I have in the last few years. I've never made a move on it. I think it's a cowardly way out and it hurts more people than it helps. Even so, I often thinks the world would be a much better place if I didn't exist in it. I have a lot of gifts... and the power of a persuasive voice is one of those. And while I should be out trying to do good things with it, I only ever end up hurting people with it. I've made people cry, accidentally and intentionally, with my words. I've hurt marriages with my words. Once I thought I killed someone with them...

All the while I know I could be doing really amazing things with this gift. I just don't seem to be able to. So if all I'm going to do is hurt other people, then why should I even exist? And I only really care about helping other people. I never do anything for myself. I have a horribly long track record of being able to come through for other people but never can pick up the slack when it comes to my own ass. So if I'm not playing the game for myself... and the only casualities are other people then I'm not really sure why I'm here.

I'd probably just up and disappear before I killed myself. I honestly worry about the "etheral" consequences (afterlife) more than I do about the people here. But I'd probably go hermit before I went suicidal. And I'll probably not end up doing any of it, just living out the rest of my existance in some squalor surroundings of self-loathing and disappointment. :/ This topic made me sad.

 

[Rydia]

Even so, I often thinks the world would be a much better place if I didn't exist in it.

Don't feel that way.

Some man who lived on my street did commit suicide a few years ago, and it has caused so many problems for the family. I'm not completely sure because I really don't know the full details, but I think it was over money problems. His wife just feels very guilty over it and their kids were so young when it happened. Their mom doesn't know how to explain to them what happened to their daddy. It's really sad to watch them though. His wife just looks so drained from it. She's is about in her late thirties early fourties, but now she looks so much older and her kids are so young.

I think everyone thinks about it sometime in their life when things get too stressful. For some, things just get so bad that they go through with it and it really hurts those that they leave behind. Suicide is never the answer.

 

[Holic]

yea, sadness kind of comes with the subject matter. Can't avoid it. Unless we had cupcakes and confetti and stuff.

But yea, the ethereal thing kind of bugged me too. Having no religion does that to you, and Im only referring to myself here cause I know you have one Aztec. I'm not afraid of heaven/hell, its the what happens next. Its like jumping into an abyss.

EDIT: No converting me. No religion talk unless it concerns yourself please.

 

[Jimmy]

I never putted the chance of killing myself i can only imagine how desperate a person must be to even think about it...that person must think there is no way out of his problems...

 

[L]

MR, I say you just leave him when he feels that way. He won't kill himself. Not unless he can get a hold of a gun. Even if he does, it'll take a while to think about everything. Rage, Jealousy, happiness, hope, life, death, and all that's in between. The amount of emotions that will run through his head are phenomenal. Once you think you're going to do it, the millions of faces of people you think will mourn you death flash through your mind and then you can't do it. Plus, if there's someone so precious to him, there's no way he'll do it.

Squizz knows about suicide.

 

[Big Boss]

A little too much, perhaps .

Anyway... Maybe it might get worse, maybe it wont. A friend of mine said she was going to kill herself because I broke up with her, and she started cutting her wrists. After we had this huge argument, she stopped being emo and is normal now. Unless she's hiding herself, or something.

So I doubt it'd get worse.

 

[L]

I'd tell her to slit her throat while she's at it. honestly, cutting yourself because someone broke up with you? She wasn't going to kill herself. No one cuts themself to die. It hurts! She was just crying for attention. Because she thought she lost something so precious. If she's not still crazy, maybe you should talk to her sometime.

 

[Big Boss]

I do talk to her still, we pretty good friends. But when I asked her about it, she said "I only did it because it was the only pain I could control" and I was like.. "Wow... Uh.. Retard?" Ha ha ha.

 

[Ezio Auditore]

Squizz thats just out of order you shouldn't say that. people do it a lot becasue they've been dumped, my friend tried to do it once and it's goddamn lucky i had just knocked on the door and gone up to her room and she had the knife right up to her neck and it was bleeding a little you shouldn't say what you did it can hurt a lot of peoples feeling

 

[Tifa AC]

This is a kind of situation were you cant realy say what to do.
I would stay an his side and give him my friendship as good as i can.
I would talk to his Mother for talking to him searching were the Problem is,trying to help him for geeting over it what ever it is.
i never was in a possition like that,not by myself not to anyone i know.
The only think i know is there is always a way out,that what life shown me.

 

[Big Boss]

But be careful, kiddies.

One time my friend told me he was going to kill himself (I didnt know he was joking around, because... Why the hell would someone joke about that?), and I called the police to check him out, they went to his house and he said he was kidding. Real nice.

And then for about 3 months, I was known as 'the bitch' at school, because I was worried. Yay.

So my point is, be secret about it. And dont call someone with authority. Bad move for me.

 

[Silariaz]

I have never been in such a situation, everyone I know is happy with their life and we all live life happy.
There is always something you can do about a bad situation, even though it might seem hopeless..

If a friend of mine would go suicidal, I... I don't know how I would handle that situation. I guess I would try as hard as I possibly could to make that person realize that there is a way to make things better.
One thing is certain. I would not leave that person alone, I would call every day and go over to his/her place to see if things were ok.

Friends stick together.

 

[Big Boss]

Yeah, exactly. Because if you leave a suicidal person alone, chances are they're going to feel like, "Yeah, I knew know one cares" and they'd kill 'emselves.

 

[Fields]

This thread lacks the serious maturity required to talking about such an issue.

So my point is, be secret about it. And dont call someone with authority. Bad move for me.

Are you serious? I'd rather be known as a 'bitch' at school because my friend doesn't kill himself rather than be known as the 'guy who could've prevented it but didn't'.

Anyways, I'm sorry to hear that MR. I am very close to my brother, as I'm sure you are, and, from what you've revealed, you handled the situation much better than I could have.

 

[LittleAngel]

Avin, regardless of what others think of you you did the right thing in telling the authorities. Your action may well have made your friend think twice about what they may have been going to do. Someone cared, that may have been all they needed. NEVER treat someone talking about killing themselves as a joke. 9 times out of 10 it may be a joke, but then there's that one chance that it isn't.

When I was 15 I was very depressed, everything seemed to be going wrong in my life and I was convinced no one loved or cared about me. Suicide crossed my mind more than once and seemed a very attractive option. Just to go away and never have to feel bad ever again. I started making plans and gave away my favourite things. A friend noticed all this and called my mum. The next thing I know is I am having a real heart to heart with my mum and getting sessions with a psychologist. I was pissed at first, I thought they were all just interferring, but I soon came to realise it was because they loved me. Moral of my story is TELL SOMEONE when/if you are concerned about someone.

BTW 16 years on and doin' fine. I still get real down every now and again and suicide still crosses my mind, but it's no longer an option. Talking to people is.

 

[nadir]

This thread lacks the serious maturity required to talking about such an issue.

Fields, a toast to your maturity.

LittleAngel, I'm sorry to hear you had such hard time. It's great that your family and your friends supported you. Depression is a difficult thing for anyone to go through, and it's easier when people support you. I'm glad you have those supports with you.

When people begin to view suicide as an option, for whatever the reason--however petty or minor you may find it--it's not a joke. People feel deeply for different things, and this is where compassion is called for. Relationship situations are a playground for these types of feelings, especially if one party is more attached than another. It is better not to judge another person too harshly if he or she is experiencing depression over something that you may not understand fully.

I had to deal with such thoughts myself when I was in the sixth grade. My friends completely stopped talking to me for a reason I never figured out, and I couldn't tell my parents . I definitely considered suicide for a while, though I did not actually attempt it. I don't think depressed people consider suicide an escape, necessarily. I think it's that the world around them seems so dark that they can't find any light to strive for. It's a terrible situation, and I wish no one would ever have to be in it.

MR, I hope your brother takes comfort that you care so much about him. Your support and vigilance will pull him through, I'm sure. And please don't think your efforts were useless--after all, you kept your mom together. Every positive action you do will have a positive effect on the outcome.

 

[L]

Squizz thats just out of order you shouldn't say that.

It is? It's pathetic to hurt yourself on the outside by cutting just because someone dumped you. At the time you do that, you've become a big whining attention whore that cuts themselves when things don't go the way they want them to. It becomes and addiction. It can't be controlled after a while. It can happen over the smallest things. Threatening to cut yourself because mom won't let you smoke. That's a real life experience.

people do it a lot becasue they've been dumped, my friend tried to do it once and it's goddamn lucky i had just knocked on the door and gone up to her room and she had the knife right up to her neck and it was bleeding a little you shouldn't say what you did it can hurt a lot of peoples feeling

She cut herself a little. Just a little. That's when you can be safe to know that you, the person walking in the room is the only one who's going to be stabbed or cut.

And then for about 3 months, I was known as 'the bitch' at school, because I was worried. Yay.

So my point is, be secret about it. And dont call someone with authority. Bad move for me.

Well if he gave you that name for trying to be a friend that was worried, then cast him out of your life as a complete dickweed. Also, calling the cops was bad. You should've just tried talking to him or going over to his house to talk.

Avin, regardless of what others think of you you did the right thing in telling the authorities.

Why does everyone think calling the cops on a suicidal kid is okay? You can't count on a pig for anything. You don't try and solve something until you know how. Because the cops will come and be like "Put the knife down, everything's going to be okay." Like they're some kind of freak. That could scar someone that's already that depressed for life.

 

[LittleAngel]

Squizzgar, I am glad he told SOMEONE. Anyone is good in that situation, police, parents, school teacher, doctor, the samaratins. Anyone. What if his friend hadn't been kidding and had killed himself and Avin hadn't told anyone, huh? How would he feel then? Guilty is what I reckon. He'd have known that he could have prevented it happening and done nothing.
So grow up Squizz and realise that NOT telling anyone is far far worse. I am sure that as the years pass Avin's friend will realise this too.

 

[L]

You're telling me to grow up? That's laughable.

The cops are just there as an accessory to stupidity. If you really care about that person, you should really try as hard as you can to go and check things out for yourself. Then, if you can't do anything, call someone. The cops just fuck up everything. Once you're removed from your life, it's hard to give a shit about anything. Then it'll be a never ending circle. Also, you said you've never actually tried to commit suicide. You don't know what's running through that person's head. You have no clue how they feel. If they've been through this, the last people they want to see is the cops.