I understand the whole Squall's parents thing now. Thanks for sharing the information with us, BustaMo. I finally understand it and I knew that they were his parents without a doubt. Anyone who doesn't see the resemblance is dumb.
Squall's Parents
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Fantasy_Addict
Blue Mage
wow ive played ff8 3 times (at one point i was addicted to it) and it never really crossed my mind.
is that why ellone shows up at the start then??
is that why ellone shows up at the start then??
i'm still beyond lost here....
But it's simple ! Laguna and Raine had a baby (Squall). Laguna wasn't there when Squall is born, he was in Esthar for the revolution. It's said in the game that Raine died because Laguna wasn't close to her when she had her baby. So he was put in the orphanage along with Ellone. And, what Ward and Kiros are saying in the Ragnarok about Squall's father is telling us that Laguna is his father. Laguna know that Squall is his son, but he's just saying "We have a lot to talk about, but lets talk later".
And someone was saying that at the ending video, the were going again in the past and it was changed when we see Laguna and Raine getting married. It's not changing, it's just Laguna remembering this moment full of joy.
And someone was saying that at the ending video, the were going again in the past and it was changed when we see Laguna and Raine getting married. It's not changing, it's just Laguna remembering this moment full of joy.
Kakashi Hatake
Ex-Soldier
You know even I was confused but now I get it.
Al_Bhed_Expert
Xx Extreme Weirdo xX
I came to the same conclusion! Squall has to be the son of Laguna and Raine! it 's the only explaination that makes sense.
Roxas 101
BM
Squalls parents are raine and laguna, what happened is that when laguna left with kiros and wardto fight, raine never told laguna that she was pregnant with his baby when they came back Raine died and ellone was gone thats when Ellone and Squall were sent to the orphanage and thats how they met Quistis Zell Irvine Seifer and Selphie when the esther soldiers came for Ellone Squall was "all alone" and soon later Laguna came to the orphanage looking for Ellone and realized that ellone was in esther he could've seen Squall and not even known that that was his son. When Squall was in the infirmary after his fight with seifer Ellone saw him again but Squall didn't know. Ellone then started sending Squall back into the past as laguna because she knew that laguna was his father and Raine was his mother
Ayako Hikumi
The Blue Rose
Yep, that's what I thought too. Laguna never got together with Julia because of the war.
Yes I did think Laguna was Squalls father. Its quite a sad storyline, the fact Raine died in childbirth, Laguna doesnt get with Julia and Rinoa and Squall love each other. Tragic, yet romantic. Poor Laguna, he has no luck!
WARNING! MASSIVE SPOILERS FOR THE ENTIRE GAME FOLLOW! IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND IT, YOU MUST HAVE A GOOD GRASP ON THE STORYLINE. READ AT YOUR OWN RISK. THANK YOU.
Okay, here is my theory... And I have some evidence to back it up...
Alright, Laguna liked Julia (the women at the Galbadia Hotel). He and Julia had a romantic night, but nothing really happened. This is shown through the first Dream World sequence.
Now, according to the in-game info in the tutorial, it says that Julia wanted to see the soldier (obviously Laguna) again, but he got called back in for the war, which is what happened at the end of the first Dream World sequence. The in-game info then states that General Caraway felt bad for Julia, and then they fell in love, got married, and Julia gave birth to a little girl (obviously Rinoa), but died three years later in a car crash. This would make sense because General Caraway is Rinoas father, which would make Julia her mother.
Now back to Laguna, after the second Dream World sequence, he was nurtured back to health in the town of Winhill by a woman named Raine. Raine had a little daughter (named Ellone). Now Laguna was gratefull enough to repay the favor to Raine by clearing the monsters of Winhill daily. During his stay there, he became in love with Raine, and attached to Ellone.
Now follow closely, because this is where it gets confusing.
Somewhere near the time before when Ellone was captured by Esthar soldiers, Laguna proposed to Raine (shown at the ending sequence), and Raine accepted. Shortly after that, they had a nice time, and made love (if you know what I mean). Then the Esthar soldiers came, took Ellone, and then Laguna went off to get Ellone back.
While Laguna was searching for Ellone, Raine was pregnant. And she then gave birth to a boy. A boy named Squall. Now the in-game info tells us that Squalls mother died at childbirth. So then I'm assuming, shortly after being born, Edea's SeeDs came and took Squall, and put him into the Orphanage, where he met Ellone (whom Laguna was still searching for). He began calling her "Sis". However, he had no idea that they had a blood relation.
Now Ultimecia is in the future, learns about Ellones powers, and then takes control over Adel to search out for Ellone. Adel then sends her Esthar troops to the Centra continent, where they find Ellone, and take her back for Dr. Odine to start experimentation. Laguna and friends get to Esthar, get captured and are sent to prison. Now you all know what happens then, because you played it out during one of the Dream World Sequences.
Now in the in-game info, you learn that the Gardens (Galbadia/Tribia/Balamb and others *CoughEdenCough*) used to be on the Centra Continent, which was home of the Lunar Tears, and the Centra people must've seen the oblivion comming, so they left the continent and found refuge at other locations. During the time when Esthar went to Edea's Orphanage to take Ellone, Edea (or her SeeDs) took the Orphans to one of the Gardens, which explains why Irvine ended up going Galbadia and not Balamb.
Then Laguna and the Adel Resistance group finally defeats Adel by sending her into space. Laguna, who was the leader of the resistance then becomes the president of Esthar.
Now Squalls life at the Balamb Garden begins, along with everyone elses. And as they grew, they began using the GF, which is why they don't remember anything until they figure it all out. And then once Squall is in his 17th year of life, the story begins.
Some more evidence leading to Laguna being the father:
During the storyline that I just gave you, you see that the only girl that Laguna had time to spend with was Raine, and why wouldn't they, they got married! So they obviously had sex, which was probably one of the first times Laguna had some (if not any at all) because he was always on the move. Now, during the sidequest at Shumi Village, you learn that the moombas remember people by the smell of their blood.
You also learn that Laguna taught the moombas how to speak (although the only thing they can say is Laguna), Laguna might've cut himself while teaching, or perhaps he spent so much time with them that they just could smell his presense. But my therory is that while Laguna was in an Esthar prison (this is during a Dream Sequence), and remember when he helped that moomba out by tossing a tool at him? And then he went to grab the moomba to save him from falling. Laguna was in a prison, so he for sure was cut, and the moomba must've smelt it, and then afterwards, Laguna set him free! Remember that? Yeah, the moomba must've went to the Shumi Village or wherever there were moombas and told them all in moomba. Either theory works, you choose which you want ot believe.
Now you know that the moombas can recognize Laguna by his blood. And if you have any knowledge on DNA, you know that blood is transfered when you have a baby. And when Squall is in the Desert Prison, the moombas all say "Laguna! Laguna!" and start looking at Squall. This means they smell Lagunas blood in him. And if that is not enough proof for you, then how about the fact that once Laguna hops onto the Ragnarok near the end of the game, and he goes "Squall, theres a lot I want to tell you..." You can pretty much tell what he's trying to say, knowing all the evidence I have provided.
So with those peices of info: Laguna only having enough time for Raine, and the moombas remembering Lagunas blood, you can put together the peices of the puzzle and see the picture; Squall's parent are Laguna and Raine.
Please read this and tell me your thoughts. I believe this to be the most reliable information on the subject up to date.
Okay, here is my theory... And I have some evidence to back it up...
Alright, Laguna liked Julia (the women at the Galbadia Hotel). He and Julia had a romantic night, but nothing really happened. This is shown through the first Dream World sequence.
Now, according to the in-game info in the tutorial, it says that Julia wanted to see the soldier (obviously Laguna) again, but he got called back in for the war, which is what happened at the end of the first Dream World sequence. The in-game info then states that General Caraway felt bad for Julia, and then they fell in love, got married, and Julia gave birth to a little girl (obviously Rinoa), but died three years later in a car crash. This would make sense because General Caraway is Rinoas father, which would make Julia her mother.
Now back to Laguna, after the second Dream World sequence, he was nurtured back to health in the town of Winhill by a woman named Raine. Raine had a little daughter (named Ellone). Now Laguna was gratefull enough to repay the favor to Raine by clearing the monsters of Winhill daily. During his stay there, he became in love with Raine, and attached to Ellone.
Now follow closely, because this is where it gets confusing.
Somewhere near the time before when Ellone was captured by Esthar soldiers, Laguna proposed to Raine (shown at the ending sequence), and Raine accepted. Shortly after that, they had a nice time, and made love (if you know what I mean). Then the Esthar soldiers came, took Ellone, and then Laguna went off to get Ellone back.
While Laguna was searching for Ellone, Raine was pregnant. And she then gave birth to a boy. A boy named Squall. Now the in-game info tells us that Squalls mother died at childbirth. So then I'm assuming, shortly after being born, Edea's SeeDs came and took Squall, and put him into the Orphanage, where he met Ellone (whom Laguna was still searching for). He began calling her "Sis". However, he had no idea that they had a blood relation.
Now Ultimecia is in the future, learns about Ellones powers, and then takes control over Adel to search out for Ellone. Adel then sends her Esthar troops to the Centra continent, where they find Ellone, and take her back for Dr. Odine to start experimentation. Laguna and friends get to Esthar, get captured and are sent to prison. Now you all know what happens then, because you played it out during one of the Dream World Sequences.
Now in the in-game info, you learn that the Gardens (Galbadia/Tribia/Balamb and others *CoughEdenCough*) used to be on the Centra Continent, which was home of the Lunar Tears, and the Centra people must've seen the oblivion comming, so they left the continent and found refuge at other locations. During the time when Esthar went to Edea's Orphanage to take Ellone, Edea (or her SeeDs) took the Orphans to one of the Gardens, which explains why Irvine ended up going Galbadia and not Balamb.
Then Laguna and the Adel Resistance group finally defeats Adel by sending her into space. Laguna, who was the leader of the resistance then becomes the president of Esthar.
Now Squalls life at the Balamb Garden begins, along with everyone elses. And as they grew, they began using the GF, which is why they don't remember anything until they figure it all out. And then once Squall is in his 17th year of life, the story begins.
Some more evidence leading to Laguna being the father:
During the storyline that I just gave you, you see that the only girl that Laguna had time to spend with was Raine, and why wouldn't they, they got married! So they obviously had sex, which was probably one of the first times Laguna had some (if not any at all) because he was always on the move. Now, during the sidequest at Shumi Village, you learn that the moombas remember people by the smell of their blood.
You also learn that Laguna taught the moombas how to speak (although the only thing they can say is Laguna), Laguna might've cut himself while teaching, or perhaps he spent so much time with them that they just could smell his presense. But my therory is that while Laguna was in an Esthar prison (this is during a Dream Sequence), and remember when he helped that moomba out by tossing a tool at him? And then he went to grab the moomba to save him from falling. Laguna was in a prison, so he for sure was cut, and the moomba must've smelt it, and then afterwards, Laguna set him free! Remember that? Yeah, the moomba must've went to the Shumi Village or wherever there were moombas and told them all in moomba. Either theory works, you choose which you want ot believe.
Now you know that the moombas can recognize Laguna by his blood. And if you have any knowledge on DNA, you know that blood is transfered when you have a baby. And when Squall is in the Desert Prison, the moombas all say "Laguna! Laguna!" and start looking at Squall. This means they smell Lagunas blood in him. And if that is not enough proof for you, then how about the fact that once Laguna hops onto the Ragnarok near the end of the game, and he goes "Squall, theres a lot I want to tell you..." You can pretty much tell what he's trying to say, knowing all the evidence I have provided.
So with those peices of info: Laguna only having enough time for Raine, and the moombas remembering Lagunas blood, you can put together the peices of the puzzle and see the picture; Squall's parent are Laguna and Raine.
Please read this and tell me your thoughts. I believe this to be the most reliable information on the subject up to date.
PlasticUfo
ShinRa Guard
I kind of always thought that and it seemed that they were trying to make it obvious.
This is going to sound stupid and I apologise for it, but I didnt know Ellone was Raine's daughter. I thought Ellone was adopted by Raine.
No, you where correct, Ellone was more or less adopted by Raine. Her real parents where killed during the Esthar/Sorceress Wars. In short, Esthar soldiers came to Windhill in search of Ellone (for Adel) they couldn't find her, so they wound up killing her true birth parents and leaving empty handed. After those events Raine took Ellone under her care until she was kidnapped later on by Esthar soldiers.
Ah, thanks for clearing that up! Avin on the previous page confused me!
fiz master
The chemically mutated chicken
Wow, so that's what happened. A whole question has been entirely answered for me. I never thought of the story like the way everybody described it as. I thought Squall was born from somebody that just wasn't mentioned in the story. Thanks for clarifying that for me everybody! By the way... what Lydia said about everyone's name's being references to water... In FFIX Zidane made a reference to FF's 7 and 8 when he said "neither Cloud nor Squall will seperate you from me..." That's where they suppossedly got Squall's name from. I think.
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Squall was the previous main character before Zidane. So he was already named. That quote is just something Square threw in, like in the weapons shop, Zidane mentions knowing a guy with blonde spikey hair who owned a sword like that.
fiz master
The chemically mutated chicken
Really, I never knew that. Which disk is this that on and what part? Also, just because Cloud and Squall's names were created before FFIX, doesn't mean that they couldn't have thought of their names as a story reference in FFIX.
"neither Cloud nor Squall will seperate you from me..."
Not to be a dick or anything, but just a correction.. I believe that it was Steiner who said that line, and the actual line was "No cloud nor squall shall hinder us." (In refrence to bad weather, Cloud being something that could blind them of things, and a squall being a type of sea storm) I'm not entirely sure if it was Steiner, but it seems like something Steiner would say, because I know for a fact that thats what the line was, that quote was implanted in my brain as the most obvious easter egg ever.
And about the Ellone/Raine connection: Sorry for stating that I thought Ellone was Raines daughter, it just made sense... Because in a way, Raine was her mother, even if not biologically.
And sorry for confusing you Sapphire... I know, I tried explaining it to my friend and he didnt get any of it.
EDIT: Fiz, if your talking about my explaination, then you should probably get a file that has all the sidequests done, and your at the end of the game; there is a spot in the Tutorial section of the menu... I can't remember which section, as it's been a while since I checked.
Not to be a dick or anything, but just a correction.. I believe that it was Steiner who said that line, and the actual line was "No cloud nor squall shall hinder us." (In refrence to bad weather, Cloud being something that could blind them of things, and a squall being a type of sea storm) I'm not entirely sure if it was Steiner, but it seems like something Steiner would say, because I know for a fact that thats what the line was, that quote was implanted in my brain as the most obvious easter egg ever.
And about the Ellone/Raine connection: Sorry for stating that I thought Ellone was Raines daughter, it just made sense... Because in a way, Raine was her mother, even if not biologically.
And sorry for confusing you Sapphire... I know, I tried explaining it to my friend and he didnt get any of it.
EDIT: Fiz, if your talking about my explaination, then you should probably get a file that has all the sidequests done, and your at the end of the game; there is a spot in the Tutorial section of the menu... I can't remember which section, as it's been a while since I checked.
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fiz master
The chemically mutated chicken
Oh, I'm sorry about the screw up on the message. It was actually about 2 or 3 years ago since I beat that game so I forgot what he said. It was also Zidane who said that during the play at the ending of the game when he got back together with Dagger.
Ah, yeah.. I was thinking that it might've been during the ending when I posted it. I remember now/