Setting the Record Straight

I dunno, i really like Kuja's attitude, Sephiroth was much more of a madman, only thinking one way, until the end, he didn't change like Kuja did...
But i would have to go for old Sephy, come on, he is the ultimate badass, his image beats Kuja's hands down,....... Kuja looks like a confused tranny and Sephiroth has a big sword!....nuff said:P
 
I couldn't agree with you more. Kuja is a better villain and character than Sephiroth, who is so overrated as hell. Even Gilgamesh is a better character than Sephy in my opinion, plus Gilgamesh's made out of win, unlike Sephy, who made out of hype and fail. Also, big swords DO NOT equal badass.
 
Cactuar said:
I dunno, i really like Kuja's attitude, Sephiroth was much more of a madman, only thinking one way, until the end, he didn't change like Kuja did...
But i would have to go for old Sephy, come on, he is the ultimate badass, his image beats Kuja's hands down,....... Kuja looks like a confused tranny and Sephiroth has a big sword!....nuff said:P
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Kuja was intelligent, cunning, not afraid to take his sweet time corrupting a queen and destroying nations through her. Sephi was...pyscho.

So what he has the image of a badass and a big sword? That does NOT make him the ultimate badass, just look at other villains like Chaos or Kefka (god form), or Alpha and Beta before you reach Kefka. They all look more badass and ARE more badass. What makes up a badass isnt just the image, it's how strong the villain is.

No offense to you or anything, in most other posts of yours i've seen you're really damn cool...but the reasons for picking sephiroth...just shallow.
 
Yes those reasons are shallow, but only because as a character, Sephiroth didn't have that much depth, he was simple, thus maybe i'll have to agree with you that Kuja was a better villain, and a more developed character, but Sephiroth was much cooler....come on, a really big sword!

 
It made up for the small penis.

Heh, sorry. Couldn't resist XD I really need to play FFVII, then I can compare Kuja and Sephiroth fairly.
 
Grand_Lethal said:
It made up for the small penis.

Heh, sorry. Couldn't resist XD I really need to play FFVII, then I can compare Kuja and Sephiroth fairly.
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lmao, i almost said that in my last post xD

And yeah, you should play VII ^_^

It's kinda funny....with that bigass katana that sephi has...you think they woulda had him use it when you fight him. At least in KH he uses the thing (and god is it a pain to dodge). Big swords are overrated anyway...besides, i would think that with his as long as it was it would be really difficult to handle.
 
I never really cared much for Sephiroth... so overhyped, it's ridiculous. I don't even think he looks badass. I am sorry, but the whole trench coat thing is kind of dull and unimaginative... in my eyes, it's a big "meh". On the other end, Kuja really stroke my fancy (did I say that?) character wise he was so interesting. His motives were relatable in a certain way and even though he looked like a transvestite, the way he carried himself made him appear quite formidable. In the end, I believe he was a much better fantasy villain than Sephiroth.
 
VengefulRonin said:
4. Blew up his home planet with his own power, didnt even need a meteor
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The FFIX UOG states that Terra is located in the core of Gaia. If Kuja blew up Terra, Gaia would have been destroyed too. Terra was still there. This is proved by Kuja in the Crystal World, when he said that the process of assimilation between Gaia and Terra already started, and he couldn’t do anything to stop it, even if he tried. How Terra was asssimilating Gaia if Terra didn’t exist anymore? Because the planet was still there. Kuja didn’t blew up Terra, he just destroyed the surface of it. He destroyed the surface of a small and dead planet.
 
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Cabayon Leet said:
I never really cared much for Sephiroth... so overhyped, it's ridiculous. I don't even think he looks badass. I am sorry, but the whole trench coat thing is kind of dull and unimaginative... in my eyes, it's a big "meh".
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Heh. The first time I played, when I first saw Sephiroth in the truck, I thought he was wearing a dress. :lol:

But yeah, as much as I enjoyed FF7, I agree that Sephiroth is way overrated. Yeah, he did some evil things and had some amusing lines but he had no real depth to his character.

Kuja was intelligent, cunning and interesting. And his palace was just damn evil.
 
The Crystal said:
The FFIX UOG states that Terra is located in the core of Gaia. If Kuja blew up Terra, Gaia would have been destroyed too. Terra was still there. This is proved by Kuja in the Crystal World, when he said that the process of assimilation between Gaia and Terra already started, and he couldn’t do anything to stop it, even if he tried. How Terra was asssimilating Gaia if Terra didn’t exist anymore? Because the planet was still there. Kuja didn’t blew up Terra, he just destroyed the surface of it. He destroyed the surface of a small and dead planet.
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The assimilation had started, yeah, as in channeling the souls from Gaia to Terra. But Zidane and his party killed Necron (the real form of the Iifa tree), thus destroying the Iifa tree and stopping the flow of souls/assimilation. I dont know what that "UOG" is, but Terra was never inside Gaia.

Telmaen said:
Kuja was intelligent, cunning and interesting. And his palace was just damn evil.
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Oh god, i hate Kuja's palace, having to get all those damn blood stones >__< I hate it almost as much as i hate bermucia.
 
Terra inside Gaia? Pah. They're both clearly shown as separate planets in Oeilvert.

I still think it was quite obvious that Kuja destroyed Terra.
 
UOG = Ultimania Omega Guide. A book released by SE that explain eveything about the game. Every FF(after VI) have one.

And yes, Terra is in the core of Gaia. Garland tried to assimilate Gaia by force in the past, but failed, resulting in the two planets "merging" together. We can see this happening(two planets "merging") in one place of Memoria.

Because of this fusion/absorption between the planets, some locations of Terra became part of Gaia's surface, like Oilvert and Ipsen's Castle.

Sorry, but Kuja never blew up a planet.
 
Grand_Lethal said:
Terra inside Gaia? Pah. They're both clearly shown as separate planets in Oeilvert.

I still think it was quite obvious that Kuja destroyed Terra.
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They're shown as separate planets in Necron's Grand Cross attack too.

The Crystal said:
UOG = Ultimania Omega Guide. A book released by SE that explain eveything about the game. Every FF(after VI) have one.

And yes, Terra is in the core of Gaia. Garland tried to assimilate Gaia by force in the past, but failed, resulting in the two planets "merging" together. We can see this happening(two planets "merging") in one place of Memoria.

Because of this fusion/absorption between the planets, some locations of Terra became part of Gaia's surface, like Oilvert and Ipsen's Castle.

Sorry, but Kuja never blew up a planet.
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By SquareEnix you say? Hate to break it to ya, but what you read is a load of crap. Ipsen's Castle was always on Gaia, it housed that bug boss and the map/mirros that gave the locations of the four Guardians. The guardians held the link between Gaia and Terra. Oilvert was built on Gaia by the Terran's to be sort of an observatory for the assimilation of Gaia and Terra.

If it's not in the game and if it's SE who published it (and it is, since the guide was published in '04), i'm not believing a word of it. SE is a bunch of money whores, and i'm not trusting anything they say about Square games after seeing what they did in AC (totally changed Cloud's personality, brought back humanity even though the ending and secret ending in VII both make it look like the lifestream wiped out humanity).
 
VengefulRonin said:
They're shown as separate planets in Necron's Grand Cross attack too.



By SquareEnix you say? Hate to break it to ya, but what you read is a load of crap. Ipsen's Castle was always on Gaia, it housed that bug boss and the map/mirros that gave the locations of the four Guardians. The guardians held the link between Gaia and Terra. Oilvert was built on Gaia by the Terran's to be sort of an observatory for the assimilation of Gaia and Terra.

If it's not in the game and if it's SE who published it (and it is, since the guide was published in '04), i'm not believing a word of it. SE is a bunch of money whores, and i'm not trusting anything they say about Square games after seeing what they did in AC (totally changed Cloud's personality, brought back humanity even though the ending and secret ending in VII both make it look like the lifestream wiped out humanity).
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The word of the creators >>>> Your opinion. You accepting it or not.

Kuja didn't blow up any planet, even the game itself prove that(his quote in Crystal World). He is a great villain and character, but you are overestimating his power.
 
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The Crystal said:
The word of the creators >>>> Your opinion. You accepting it or not.

Kuja didn't blow up any planet, even the game itself prove that(his quote in Crystal World). He is a great villain and character, but you are overestimating his power.
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Yeah, except that Sakaguchi is the one who made IX, and it's present day Square Enix who wrote that guide. Many of the original Square members are gone (including Sakaguchi, of course), so who are you going to believe? Sakaguchi or VII-whoring Enix?

And what quote from Crystal World would that be? This one?

You honestly think you can beat me? Even if you do, Gaia's already doomed. Its assimilation by Terra has begun, and the Iifa Tree will incite a cataclysmic destruction of Gaia. It's all over for you and your friends. See. I win, either way.

Yeah, the part that had begun was the moving souls and whatnot. There's nothing in the game to even suggest that Terra was inside Gaia. If anything, what we can gather from this quote suggests that Terra cant merge with Gaia until the Iifa Tree has destroyed Gaia, which obviously didnt happen.
 
There's a clear hypocrisy in the theory of Terra being inside Gaia. In one of the opening FMVs, you see a blue and a red moon. The red moon is Terra. It definitely wasn't inside Gaia.

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I did think about it, and its a possible theory. But, even if Kuja destroyed the entire of Terra (I never thought he did, just "ruined" it like Kefka did), it doesn't necessarily mean that Gaia would be destroyed. Gaia could return to the way it was previously.

Even if Terra was inside Gaia and Kuja didn't destroy it totally, he blew up a huge part of it. In the FMV, there were those crystal plants as far as the eye could see. He blew up hundreds or thousands of those, Castle Pandemonium and Bran Bal. We don't know how far Bran Bal is from Castle Pandemonium because you teleport there, and we know it was destroyed because the Genomes needed to be evacuated.
 
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Oh it's a possible theory alright, but there's no evidence whatsoever in the game to support it.

Hmm...yeah, Kuja might not have destroyed all of Terra...but he sure as hell blew up a sizeable chunk of the planet. Not to mention that the destruction kind of spread like a chain reaction, so it probably wiped out even more than was in his range.

And i have another thing to add to that ridiculous UOG: not only was it written by SE and not Square, but it was written four years after IX was made. I'm not very inclined to believe any theories coming out of a strategy guide written by a different team four years after the game was made.
 
And, this is coming from the company who say VII and X are linked, even though its obvious VII and IX are more linked. I mean, come on, the continents even look similar! Just shifted by plate tectonics :P
 
They never add anything new in the UOGs. They just explain what happens in the story. Everything that is explained in the books, was thought by them when they were creating the games.

Grand_Lethal said:
There's a clear hypocrisy in the theory of Terra being inside Gaia. In one of the opening FMVs, you see a blue and a red moon. The red moon is Terra. It definitely wasn't inside Gaia.
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Wrong. Each planet have a crystal inside itself, and the crystal's aura is reflected by it's moon. This is why one moon is blue and the other is red. Terra's moon became Gaia's moon when the two planets "fused" with each other, but the light of Terra is still reflected in the moon.
The reason the Shimmering Island is "shimmering" is because it's the light of both crystals(Gaia and Terra) shining through the island.

And what Kuja did was destroy some buildings/towers, that's all. People say he destroyed Terra ONLY because of what Mikoto said. But she didn't saw everything that happened there, because she was in the Invincible running away with the others. So, we don't even know if he really destroyed a planet. And even if he did so, it was still a small and dead world.

People say that Sephiroth is overrated, but Kefka and Kuja are too. People assuming Terra was the same size of Gaia, and that Kuja "blew up" the planet, is a very good example of this.
 
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