I think you're getting a bit too passionate here. What exactly is your point - that we should forego all our beliefs in the face of whatever it is is going to happen? If that's it, then I stand by my reply.
Revelation is inevitble. Why not now?
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What, that marijuana should be forever illegal? the things that are inevitable do not span into cataclysm. I think that people who fight the inevitable are way too passionate for nothing and it makes them look like an ass. You ever seen an anti-marijuana rally? Look at the people serving it and you'll see my point. Same goes for a lot of other things.
the flaw in your argument is that you paint the topics in black and white. every controversy has different implications and that means a person's stance on them will vary. leaving out ignorance (which is a topic we would probably agree on), when someone believes in an idea whole-heartedly they will stick by it. There are other psychological reasons like the feeling of having a purpose, belonging to a social sphere, feeling of having their way of life threatened, etc. It's more complicated than you imply.
On marijuana, I wish more people would bother to educate themselves before declaring their opinions about it, but even then we'd still have those against it, for reasons I listed above. The world would not have many of the social problems it faces now if everyone could just adapt and prepare for situations in a mental heartbeat. You have to remember, humans are resistant to change. That's just how we are. I consider myself open-minded but even I have lines drawn on many things that, while I wouldn't look down on others for doing it, will fight if I feel it threatens to compromise my way of life, at least until I develop another method to deal with.
So the general census on this thread is that many people in general are ignorant.
I don't disagree with this at all, but it's hardly an excuse to fight the inevitable. Because they cannot aknowledge their subjective rationale, they start an already lost cause and others have to suffer.
This is why I chose marijuana to be a prime example, because at best, it would only be a bit of culture shock if it became legal and regulated as cigarettes and alcohol are.
Because people postpone this, others end up in jail and are subject to unemployment. They cause a bigger problem than the one they fight.
This goes for a lot of other things, to. The death penalty, for example, will never go away, yet people fight it and it causes problems all over the place. All of a sudden, for example, some states are banning it while others are putting up f*ckin express lanes. This puts some murderers in the electric chair while some mass murdering maniacs get life imprisonment.
Things that are inevitable are not deconstructs of mankind. Atomic war is not inevitable, for example.
Legalizing meth will never happen. It's inevitable. The aim of this thread is not to assume anything can be inevitable, but just to point out and discuss about the things that are_ and why we should or shouldn't fight them//
Another thing to be wary of is the consequences that are faced for fighting the inevitable.
You got people in this world who waste their potential on lost causes. For example, if I had a negative view on marijuana, I would push for more intense regulations on drugs/alcohol rather than embrace an impossibility. That way, I at least made a difference instead of stirring prejudice.
Ignorance is not an excuse for dissention.
I don't disagree with this at all, but it's hardly an excuse to fight the inevitable. Because they cannot aknowledge their subjective rationale, they start an already lost cause and others have to suffer.
This is why I chose marijuana to be a prime example, because at best, it would only be a bit of culture shock if it became legal and regulated as cigarettes and alcohol are.
Because people postpone this, others end up in jail and are subject to unemployment. They cause a bigger problem than the one they fight.
This goes for a lot of other things, to. The death penalty, for example, will never go away, yet people fight it and it causes problems all over the place. All of a sudden, for example, some states are banning it while others are putting up f*ckin express lanes. This puts some murderers in the electric chair while some mass murdering maniacs get life imprisonment.
Things that are inevitable are not deconstructs of mankind. Atomic war is not inevitable, for example.
Legalizing meth will never happen. It's inevitable. The aim of this thread is not to assume anything can be inevitable, but just to point out and discuss about the things that are_ and why we should or shouldn't fight them//
Another thing to be wary of is the consequences that are faced for fighting the inevitable.
You got people in this world who waste their potential on lost causes. For example, if I had a negative view on marijuana, I would push for more intense regulations on drugs/alcohol rather than embrace an impossibility. That way, I at least made a difference instead of stirring prejudice.
Ignorance is not an excuse for dissention.
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And that's the thing- most are willingly ignorant. I think that things such as this are ignored out of necessity. When necessities start to run dry, revelation takes over in such an extreme way that bad consequences erupt.
Well, I agree with the OP's basic point that: if something is inevitable, then embrace it rather than fight it.
However, there are only a few things in life (comparatively speaking) that are truly inevitable. For exampe, death is one of 'em. But on your point about marijuana legalization, I'd disagree that it's inevitable (in the sense that it's a 100% bet that it's going to happen). I'd say it's more on the line of being highly probable that legalization is bound to happen somewhere down the road, and that's a bit of a lighter burden than inevitability. There isn't much in the future that's set in stone, and that's essentially contrary to the notion of something being inevitable.
So the difficulty is really in ascertaining whether something is inevitable. And this seems to be the point where you and I diverge in thought. I think it's very difficult to confidently believe that something is inevitable despite whatever action you might decide to take in the present. Like I said previously, a lot of the future is undetermined and really manifests from whatever happens today or in the past. So concepts like inevitability are really rare to come by...even when it comes to something that seems bound to happen like marijuana legalization.
However, there are only a few things in life (comparatively speaking) that are truly inevitable. For exampe, death is one of 'em. But on your point about marijuana legalization, I'd disagree that it's inevitable (in the sense that it's a 100% bet that it's going to happen). I'd say it's more on the line of being highly probable that legalization is bound to happen somewhere down the road, and that's a bit of a lighter burden than inevitability. There isn't much in the future that's set in stone, and that's essentially contrary to the notion of something being inevitable.
So the difficulty is really in ascertaining whether something is inevitable. And this seems to be the point where you and I diverge in thought. I think it's very difficult to confidently believe that something is inevitable despite whatever action you might decide to take in the present. Like I said previously, a lot of the future is undetermined and really manifests from whatever happens today or in the past. So concepts like inevitability are really rare to come by...even when it comes to something that seems bound to happen like marijuana legalization.
I feel that highly probable outcomes can only elude inevitability by an extreme measure that is irrelevant to the probable outcome.
There are few things that would prevent marijuana legalization, and yet even these things would have nothing to do with marijuana itself. Even then, it's only temporary. Unless the world ends, it will become legal at some point. It can pretty much be considered inevitable.
Either way, textbook definition or not, it's pointless to fight.
There are few things that would prevent marijuana legalization, and yet even these things would have nothing to do with marijuana itself. Even then, it's only temporary. Unless the world ends, it will become legal at some point. It can pretty much be considered inevitable.
Either way, textbook definition or not, it's pointless to fight.
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What do you classify as inevitable though? I mean nothing is inevitable in my opinion unless you know your immediate consequences for your actions. For instance, you rob a liquor store/gas station and you are caught on camera. Well "CHANCES" are if they identify you, it's only a matter of time before you are caught.
So for those that don't have immediate consequences but you know eventually "if" catalysts are put in motion, then of course the final resolve will be as you thought it would. Anything, and I do mean anything can happen these days. I've seen things from these eyes that have made my mind open up in all of 30 seconds. I am a very algorithmic person, I believe things work in patterns and that everything has an eventual end. Though when calculating it, sometimes there are loop holes in the system. There are anomalies, that when folks try hard enough, for some reason they breach a threshold in which actually has a different outcome.
Say cancer. My mother was given a very low chance of survival when I was a pup. The doc said they'd give her a month, and as of today 16 years later she is still walking around. There's some things I can not explain in this world. I still am not a religious person, but I am a spiritual one. That's the only absolute thing I know, that we are not quite alone, otherwise everything would be a machine and everything could be solved to a T.
So for those that don't have immediate consequences but you know eventually "if" catalysts are put in motion, then of course the final resolve will be as you thought it would. Anything, and I do mean anything can happen these days. I've seen things from these eyes that have made my mind open up in all of 30 seconds. I am a very algorithmic person, I believe things work in patterns and that everything has an eventual end. Though when calculating it, sometimes there are loop holes in the system. There are anomalies, that when folks try hard enough, for some reason they breach a threshold in which actually has a different outcome.
Say cancer. My mother was given a very low chance of survival when I was a pup. The doc said they'd give her a month, and as of today 16 years later she is still walking around. There's some things I can not explain in this world. I still am not a religious person, but I am a spiritual one. That's the only absolute thing I know, that we are not quite alone, otherwise everything would be a machine and everything could be solved to a T.
I define an inevitability as something that is so likely to happen, that even personal defiance to a vast extremity does little to stop it. Everything I have brought up in this thread is an inevitability in my book. I mean, can you tell me something realistic that will happen that will bar these things from coming into reality? Will marijuana forever stay illegal? Will the death penalty be universally banned?
These two things, among many others, are fought in vain. People are fighting fact with fiction, fact with opinion, fact with necessity...
Do not mix possibility with inevitability. I think that is what the conflicting issue is here. 0.01% chance is not a possibility, and if aim for it to be one, be ready for the consequences. Cancer, depending how advanced and what type it is, fluctuates in chances for survival. There is no cure for cancer. It can only be forced out of the body, if you are lucky. If you have Lukemia, you will eventually die from it. This is inevitable. It is not inevitable, however, to die early. There are treatment options. I want this to be a strong example because I feel people are getting the impression that I'm saying "Hey, lets just kill ourselves".
Marijuana, for example, is no longer being protested for legalization so much as it is being protested for it's continual ban. The gears that need to turn have been turning, as you mentioned are essential for inevitability.
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